Illegal Djz ??

[nilegroup]

The Immigration crisis .......Critical Analysis (One must not do what

one would like to do. Neither must one do what people say. One must do

that which upon reasonable examination of oneself proves to be the

logos.)

Shall we begin?

1.Now that you have done your fact finding about the cost of illegal

immigrants to the tax payers ,

would you be fair enough and take time to gather statistics pertaining

to the economical development( in monetary terms)

that these so called illegal immigrants contribute to the US economy

annually? Do the math.

2.This country will be a land of immigrants and if I remember correctly

it was built on the foundation of illegal immigration ages ago.Memory

fades with time though.

3.The desire for social class which leads individuals to move to high

profile neighborhoods did not start when Mexicans crossed the borders,

rationale, if well exercised would remind one of the bus incident in

Montgomery.

The separation of schools and restaurants et cetera all of which

happened here prior to these immigrants.

We've got to be careful not to conceal our hidden racial intolerance

into this illegal immigration controversy.

4. Even if the governments(federal or state) were to balance and

monitor the resources allocated to public schools

and equalized the standards across the board...some people would still

move from urban to suburan areas for other reasons.

5. The security issues in our communities have little if anything to do

with illegal immigrants.

Am sure the majority of sex offenders and serial killers or violent

criminal sitting in our jails are citizens.

Fact should be separated from fiction with all due respect.

6.If we remember the effects of urbanisation and economic growth

clearly we can find a better explanation as to why the writer feels

that

Americans are better off yet more stressed....still with or without

Mexicans this happens, otherwise Japanese would be stress free.

7. The illegal immigration needs a comprehensive moral approach I will

submit but logical and rational steps other than emotional,

should be used to design the road map to the solution.

8.One can revisit the demand and supply laws to better understand how

all this started.

Simplistically speaking supply follows demand. The fact is that if

we're to stay competitive in the global economy,

we've got to curtail labor shortages in advance ...the Japanese import

Brazilians, the Chinese and Indians don't seem to have problem heading

their way soon which leaves us with either importing labor or re-baby

booming. I wonder which one would be more costly.

Oh, I forgot that automation could solve that problem...right? Then we

are at per with

Mr. Bush who would rather see American teenagers staying in school than

cutting lawns. Now that sounds like rational thinking to me.

We can do better to secure our borders and yet stay the nation we're

still working hard to be to the outside world.

To secure our neighborhoods we will have to get to the bottom of the

root cause....

until then , even without illegal immigrants and their off

springs..which am sure are not born damn not

to be able to go to same schools with their fellow American peers, many

will choose to commute 20 or so miles to work everyday.

Assuming that all others factors that trigger urban-rural migration or

urban expansion were frozen.

** I hope someone will not sue all illegal workers because they can't

find a job or because they have gained to much weight.***

FM

[sebastianxy]

Your argument appears to be cogent, factual and well-reasoned. This belies that your stipulations are red herrings.

It can be argued that ALL human beings generally seek to improve their standing in life with respect to social and familial rewards. This drives ambition and the resulting "contributions" to the US by the so-called grey market, quantifiable in economic and labor terms.

I disagree, however, because although you couch your argument with stats and political opinion, it is basically an emotional appeal.

And by the way, this country was not built on illegal immigration, boatloads were turned away who did not go through proper registration. (Ever heard of Ellis Island...?) That is, boatloads not containing a cargo of slaves. But that's another argument...

You claim that fact should be separated from fiction?

Fact: Illegal immigrants are in this country illegally. As in breaking the law. The penalty is that they are asked to leave the country and go through the immigration process LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

It is not racism. It took my friend's wife SIX YEARS to become a legal citizen. And she is a white Canadian. I have friends from England, Australia, Singapore and Finland all wishing to enter the US and work here. To be born within scampering distance of our border does not entitle someone immigration status above someone else born outside of the US. It is a safeguard and protection afforded to citizens by the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.

Logical, rational, factual? Illegal. Simple as that.

P.S. Please don't take this as a personal attack. I am thrilled that this forum is a place for debate beyond who has the worse bouncers and which white label mix is best... : )

[sancib]

I think that when it comes to making laws that govern livelyhood, it can never be cut and dry, black and white, there are many shades of grey. Many people have come to our country seeking sanctuary, when their world was in turmoil. I think that this is a very bad idea, and is a delicate matter that warrants more thought.

[weyes]

i really haven't read squat about the issue, but i think it may be one of those things that one can only speak to fairly when one is personally involved. if it's just theory, it can't make much sense.

...I am thrilled that this forum is a place for debate beyond who has the worse bouncers and which white label mix is best... : )