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Do you know why, you shouldn't buy diamonds or wedding rings made of diamonds?

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Guest lyrik

I was talking to this chick at the bar about this, and she's clueless like all of you money hungry pigeons. So do you know why you shouldn't buy diamonds?

the answer may shock you.

Does this have something to do with the diamond wars and shit like that and slaves or something....I heard that basically one or two companies run a monopoly in the diamond industry and the mines are worked by slaves or something like that.

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Guest lyrik

Perhaps because its getting more difficult to distinquish artificially made diamonds from real diamonds. There was an article about this in Wired magazine. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/

very interesting - especially the fact of semi-conductor use which could possibly usher another technilogical revolution similar to what we seen in the 90's during the clinton admin.

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if you saw the 60 mins piece a while back and the abc news piece, you would never buy one ever.

a sample

60 Minutes Takes on 'Conflict Diamonds'

Rob Bates

Apr 1, 2001

The industry's image took another beating after 60 Minutes took on De Beers and the "conflict diamond" issue in February.

Industry executives who worked with the show's producers had hoped the story wouldn't be as negative as last year's PrimeTime Live episode on "conflict" gems, noting that producers attended a mine opening in Botswana and interviewed De Beers chairman Nicky Oppenheimer. But the show's bent was decidedly critical—it compared diamonds to drugs and equated buying from De Beers with laundering.

The story's first half covered De Beers' history of managing prices, ensuring media coverage for diamonds, and strong-arming Zaire when it bolted the cartel in the 1980s. It mentioned De Beers' 1995 indictment for price fixing but left the impression it was for gem, rather than industrial, diamonds. It showed a headline that originally read, "GE, De Beers Indicted on Price Fixing," but removed the "GE," leaving the impression that only De Beers was involved.

After commenting that De Beers is "illegal" in the U.S.—its largest market—Harvard law professor Deborah Spar added: "I can't think of any other commodity for which that's true—except maybe for drugs." After showing dealer William Goldberg at a sight, reporter Bob Simon added: "[Goldberg] has done nothing illegal. But he has in effect laundered the diamonds of De Beers."

The section on "conflict diamonds" was even more damning. There were gruesome glimpses inside a Sierra Leone amputee camp and talk of the role diamonds have played in fueling wars in Sierra Leone, Angola, and the Democratic Republic of Congo. Simon said that

De Beers now warrants that its diamonds are "conflict-free" but added that the company hadn't accounted for the "conflict" stones left in its safes. When Oppenheimer noted that only 4% of the world's diamonds was involved, Simon immediately countered, "Global Witness says the amount of 'conflict diamonds' on the worldwide market is considerably higher than 4%." (The group's latest figure is 7%.) And after relaying Oppenheimer's assertion that diamonds help African economies, Global Witness's Chairman Gooch said, "I'd challenge anyone who said that to you to go into an amputee camp in Sierra Leone and say that to the victims of the amputee camp."

At press time, De Beers didn't have a public comment to make about the broadcast, but insiders were considering making a formal complaint to CBS.

Goldberg was equally unhappy. He says the 60 Minutes producers told him they were doing a fair piece that was not about "conflict diamonds." "I'm absolutely appalled at the distorted, devious, and misleading manner in which this program was presented," he says. "They never mentioned the great joy people get in receiving beautiful jewelry. It's a disgrace."

Congressional sponsors of the Clean Diamond Act (see following story) mentioned the story in a "Dear Colleague" letter to other members of Congress. "On February 18, the CBS news magazine 60 Minutes aired a program exposing the link between De Beers' glittering diamonds and bloody African wars," says the letter, co-signed by Rep. Tony Hall (D-Ohio), Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.), and Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-Ga.). "Footage of the thousands of civilian victims of one of these wars, in Sierra Leone, rekindled our determination to do something to end these atrocities."

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Guest swirlundergrounder

OLD NEWS

that no one has heard.

I've heard it so that's at least 2 people! I'm lucky enough to be with a woman who despises where and how diamonds are produced, what it does to people and the effects on the environment. Whenever we walk by the window at Tiffany's she go's yuck! :P :P :P :P

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Guest lyrik

OLD NEWS

that no one has heard.

I have seen like 3 different pieces on this stuff. Its messed up - but the civilized world is so dis-attached from what is going on over there that its hard for anyone to really relate and plus people can't get over the traditional aspect of diamonds...its inbedded in our cultures as the most prominent symbol of stature in society.

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Guest macboy

I've heard it so that's at least 2 people! I'm lucky enough to be with a woman who despises where and how diamonds are produced, what it does to people and the effects on the environment. Whenever we walk by the window at Tiffany's she go's yuck! :P :P :P :P

She must not be Jewish.

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Guest bcnjunkie

zzzzzzzzzzzz ................. zzzzzzzzzz .... this is nothing new !

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Guest web_norah

I've heard it so that's at least 2 people! I'm lucky enough to be with a woman who despises where and how diamonds are produced, what it does to people and the effects on the environment. Whenever we walk by the window at Tiffany's she go's yuck! :P :P :P :P

She must not be Jewish.

LOL thats so true!

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Guest pod

Aside from the distastefulness of conflict diamonds...(gustav graves sucks...)...synthetic diamonds are being produced right now in a facility near Tampa. Eventually, barring interference from the diamond cartel, that rock you blew thousands on will be worth about five bucks.

I'm not going to get a girl a diamond. I'll spend that money on a trip around the world for her.

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Guest bcnjunkie

yo salteen:

transnationals from all over the world commit attrocities daily in the third world, why pick on diamonds ? because you're probably cheap as hell. Why not talk about the American founded sweat shops in asia ?you feel this way about diamonds, don't but gap, nike, banana republic, etc. !!!

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yo salteen:

transnationals from all over the world commit attrocities daily in the third world, why pick on diamonds ? because you're probably cheap as hell. Why not talk about the American founded sweat shops in asia ?you feel this way about diamonds, don't but gap, nike, banana republic, etc. !!!

nike doesn't use rebel forces who use torture, rape, and amputee farms to send a message that they want their diamonds. Sure there are sweat shops, which are bad, but remember, their were sweat shops in the US for decades until the textile industry crapped the bed.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/africa/07/19/sudan.rapes.reut/index.html

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Aside from the distastefulness of conflict diamonds...(gustav graves sucks...)...synthetic diamonds are being produced right now in a facility near Tampa. Eventually, barring interference from the diamond cartel, that rock you blew thousands on will be worth about five bucks.

I'm not going to get a girl a diamond. I'll spend that money on a trip around the world for her.

true dat!

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Guest web_norah

yo salteen:

transnationals from all over the world commit attrocities daily in the third world, why pick on diamonds ? because you're probably cheap as hell. Why not talk about the American founded sweat shops in asia ?you feel this way about diamonds, don't but gap, nike, banana republic, etc. !!!

nike doesn't use rebel forces who use torture, rape, and amputee farms to send a message that they want their diamonds. Sure there are sweat shops, which are bad, but remember, their were sweat shops in the US for decades until the textile industry crapped the bed.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/africa/07/19/sudan.rapes.reut/index.html

nah they dont use rebel forces instead they employ little kids and pay them nothing and have them work in the worst of conditions but thats cool eh?

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yo salteen:

transnationals from all over the world commit attrocities daily in the third world, why pick on diamonds ? because you're probably cheap as hell. Why not talk about the American founded sweat shops in asia ?you feel this way about diamonds, don't but gap, nike, banana republic, etc. !!!

nike doesn't use rebel forces who use torture, rape, and amputee farms to send a message that they want their diamonds. Sure there are sweat shops, which are bad, but remember, their were sweat shops in the US for decades until the textile industry crapped the bed.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/africa/07/19/sudan.rapes.reut/index.html

nah they dont use rebel forces instead they employ little kids and pay them nothing and have them work in the worst of conditions but thats cool eh?

check your history books, this happend in the US for decades, but surely you can't compare sweat shops to amputee farms, rape and genocide? On top of that, the US has cracked down some what on sweat shops, but who are we to police other countries of their labor practices?

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Guest web_norah

and who is the USA we to enter another country and use the democracy bs and declare war? works the same logic doesnt it?

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and who is the USA we to enter another country and use the democracy bs and declare war? works the same logic doesnt it?

spin

and more spin...

at least post realistic stuff, comparing sweat shops where they make air maxes to genocide is pretty lame.

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Guest web_norah

it is not post and post

it is the same shit you talk about...........and you mention lame, i'd say it is embarrassing, same with the euro trash thing, it is all contradictory

carry on..............

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Guest bcnjunkie

yo salteen:

transnationals from all over the world commit attrocities daily in the third world, why pick on diamonds ? because you're probably cheap as hell. Why not talk about the American founded sweat shops in asia ?you feel this way about diamonds, don't but gap, nike, banana republic, etc. !!!

nike doesn't use rebel forces who use torture, rape, and amputee farms to send a message that they want their diamonds. Sure there are sweat shops, which are bad, but remember, their were sweat shops in the US for decades until the textile industry crapped the bed.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/africa/07/19/sudan.rapes.reut/index.html

duh ? ... my point exactly and child labor is not exactly humane !

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