The lowdown

[Guest DaVe]

Dade and all,

You're absolutely right. We should have posted something about the recent changes here at Cooljunkie, however we're still sorting things out ourselves. We have had a number of interesting changes over the last 6 months. Nick left for a new position. Ryan left. And now Pod is gone. Cooljunkie is indeed in a bit of a rebuilding period and we will need some time and patience to get everything right.

That being said, we are completely dedicated to Cooljunkie and the community here. We currently have two full-time people in Miami who are actively involved in the site and the scene. We have a great event with Richie Hawtin tonight at Pawn Shop, and you'll see more events like this coming up. In addition, we have some exciting new plans for Cooljunkie in 2008. So, I have to ask you to bear with us as we go through this transition period.

We will not be deleting posts about this subject, and while we're open to competition, we're not going to allow everyone here to post links to other sites and forums.

Thanks.

[Guest coach]

Who are the 2 full time people? Could they introduce themselves? Maybe let us know how they are out in it?

[Guest DaVe]

Who are the 2 full time people? Could they introduce themselves? Maybe let us know how they are out in it?

Unfortunately, they're both out running around getting ready for tonight's party or I would have them introduce themselves. The two people are Isabel and Diego.

Isabel manages the office, helps with sales, and a whole lot more.

Diego is helping to organize events, parties, etc.

We will also be bringing in new people to help with content, etc.

Look for more news on this shortly.

[Guest JustDade]

While I appreciate your attempt at a reply, it really does not answer my questions. You allude to two people who are now running the Miami CJ operation. I asked who was running this board now that the people we know are gone and I still only have these two mystery figures. Who are theyt?

You say you won't be deleting threads about this topic but the thread that you are responding to is already gone. I know you don't have to delete an entire thread to remove references to another site so what's the deal?

It seems clear that things are changing. What is not clear is why, by whom and in what direction. I, for one, don't like the feel already.

[Guest DaVe]

While I appreciate your attempt at a reply, it really does not answer my questions. You allude to two people who are now running the Miami CJ operation. I asked who was running this board now that the people we know are gone and I still only have these two mystery figures. Who are theyt?

You say you won't be deleting threads about this topic but the thread that you are responding to is already gone. I know you don't have to delete an entire thread to remove references to another site so what's the deal?

It seems clear that things are changing. What is not clear is why, by whom and in what direction. I, for one, don't like the feel already.

See my response above and you can find your post in the Drama forum.

[Guest JustDade]

See my response above and you can find your post in the Drama forum.

So...when things are moved now they are no longer referenced where they are posted? Is it not something that belongs in the Miami section as it relates to us here in Miami? Is it Drama because you don't like the content?

SINCE WHEN DO WE HAVE A DRAMA FORUM??? You actually created one for this crap? Are you trying to drive us all to another site?

[Guest lyrik]

Wow...its the rebirth and redeath of CP all at once (except without the good porn)...didn't CP have a drama forum? How fuckin lame is that. CP went way downhill in a short span and this site looks like its headed the same way. The times I do come back here are just a reminder of how bad this board has gotten and how far it has slide backwards.

[Guest DaVe]

Wow...its the rebirth and redeath of CP all at once (except without the good porn)...didn't CP have a drama forum? How fuckin lame is that. CP went way downhill in a short span and this site looks like its headed the same way. The times I do come back here are just a reminder of how bad this board has gotten and how far it has slide backwards.

Ok, so the Drama forum is not popular, I'll assume. We can get rid of it, but I would like to keep all similar threads in one discussion and not clutter the boards.

[ryan2772]

you really should destroy the drama forum, it's pretty lame. you've had a lot of banter today, but i think that's just right now...i think things will level off...just right now we (myself definitely included) are having a bit of fun with the recent developments. no harm done.

[Guest monkey reincarnated]

so your solution is to now eliminate the DRAMA forum along with everything that was posted in it? quite a convenient "fix" NICE.

[Guest JustDade]

Ok, so the Drama forum is not popular, I'll assume. We can get rid of it, but I would like to keep all similar threads in one discussion and not clutter the boards.

No....what we really want is to feel included. It's like we all live at Melrose Place and the building has been sold. The old, friendly landlord is gone and we don't know what's going on except that the new landlord seems to be some guy from New York who is trying to supress talk about the old landlord.

When we ask questions, we are given half answers and when we make comments, they are removed.

[ryan2772]

video footage from the cj offices today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJPdXa8oFkM

[Guest coach]

No....what we really want is to feel included. It's like we all live at Melrose Place and the building has been sold. The old, friendly landlord is gone and we don't know what's going on except that the new landlord seems to be some guy from New York who is trying to supress talk about the old landlord.

When we ask questions, we are given half answers and when we make comments, they are removed.

There you go. Dade sums it up nicely again. Even with Dan around, I always felt like CJ was just an excuse to sell ads. It really never felt like the owners/creators were interested in the community. But at least we knew Dan participated, and many of us knew him personally. This was even more true of CP.

Now, with the people (or person) that we actually knew well gone, it is just an impersonal corporate money-machine. It's totally up to you guys if you want to listen to the advice you are getting. If CJ dies because of mismanagement, then we will just find something new. However, if you want to build on the success you have already had, such as it is, then you can quit treating us as whiners and start listening to our input. Especially people like Dade, who actually have experience in the industry down here.

[Oni1414777741]

CP Part Deux. Welcome to the shitter all. The two people that are involved don't have anything to do with the boards, one is silent and the other has always been biased and aloof unless it had anything to do with an event of his. C'mon....where the impartiality? How are either of them going to do anything to stimulate the actual board?

[Guest DaVe]

There you go. Dade sums it up nicely again. Even with Dan around, I always felt like CJ was just an excuse to sell ads. It really never felt like the owners/creators were interested in the community. But at least we knew Dan participated, and many of us knew him personally. This was even more true of CP.

Now, with the people (or person) that we actually knew well gone, it is just an impersonal corporate money-machine. It's totally up to you guys if you want to listen to the advice you are getting. If CJ dies because of mismanagement, then we will just find something new. However, if you want to build on the success you have already had, such as it is, then you can quit treating us as whiners and start listening to our input. Especially people like Dade, who actually have experience in the industry down here.

Fair enough.

[Guest mr.miami]

Welcome to the boards DaVe. It really seems like some people on this board are over reacting. No business likes to air their dirty laundry in front of everyone so of course threads are gonna be deleted when they talk about things like that.

[Bling]

CP the rebirth.... its the beginning of the end .. peace out

[Guest coach]

so your solution is to now eliminate the DRAMA forum along with everything that was posted in it? quite a convenient "fix" NICE.

Who is this really???

[Guest JustDade]

Welcome to the boards DaVe. It really seems like some people on this board are over reacting. No business likes to air their dirty laundry in front of everyone so of course threads are gonna be deleted when they talk about things like that.

A free forum is a free forum. It's not open discussion when certain subjects are Taboo. If you are going to allow everyone and their mother to be trashed and have their dirty laundry aired, you have to be prepared to take a little yourself.

Those of us that have been around for a long time remember DaVe from the old CP days. As far as I knew, Dave was gone from Track a long time ago. Either I am wrong or he's back. Either way.....welcome back.

DaVe, you're in New York and I don't know Diego very well other than being a promoter. Some have already described him as "biased and aloof unless it had anything to do with an event of his", so I'm wondering where this can go.

I will say that if Track and Cj get into the market as promoters, it will definately change the tone of this site. Either it's an impartial site where everyone can advertise their events or it's a promotional tool for Track Entertainment. You can't have it both ways. Also, you make it seem like you're bringing shows to Miami as an add value for your members but the Hawtin show is a for profit endevour. Is Diego making money from the show or is he doing it in his new capacity to promote CJ, which he now runs? Can't be both. He can't run CJ and still be a promoter, it's a complete conflict of interest....unless CJ is different now. All I know is that Nick, Pod and Tech were all about one thing and one thing only....CJ.

[Guest myles hie]

I will say that if Track and Cj get into the market as promoters, it will definately change the tone of this site. Either it's an impartial site where everyone can advertise their events or it's a promotional tool for Track Entertainment. You can't have it both ways. Also, you make it seem like you're bringing shows to Miami as an add value for your members but the Hawtin show is a for profit endevour. Is Diego making money from the show or is he doing it in his new capacity to promote CJ, which he now runs? Can't be both. He can't run CJ and still be a promoter, it's a complete conflict of interest....unless CJ is different now. All I know is that Nick, Pod and Tech were all about one thing and one thing only....CJ.

Even though anyone who signs up can post something about whatever event. The meat and potato adverts (ie banners, e-vites, event picture features etc...) are client driven. It's obvious that clients who spend $ get some preferential treatment. P*D was always letting people toe the line between free speech from the posters and bad press for CJ's advertisers. This board was created to sell adverts and such not for the "love of the music" or whatever which is fine, so why should a new guard run the ship differently?

[Guest monkey reincarnated]

Who is this really???

one funky monkey!!

[Guest coach]

one funky monkey!!

One the heck happened? Surely they did not ban the sweetest girl in Miami!

[Guest JustDade]

Even though anyone who signs up can post something about whatever event. The meat and potato adverts (ie banners, e-vites, event picture features etc...) are client driven. It's obvious that clients who spend $ get some preferential treatment. P*D was always letting people toe the line between free speech from the posters and bad press for CJ's advertisers. This board was created to sell adverts and such not for the "love of the music" or whatever which is fine, so why should a new guard run the ship differently?

You missed the point.

I'll try again....

I have a show to promote.

Diego has a show to promote.

The shows are on the same night

Am I supposed to advertise on CJ? It's a conflict of interest at the very least. More than likely, Diego stands to make more from his show than he does from CJ so where will his loyalty fall. Will I really be able to trust that the e-blast went out? Will any threads that bash his event get deleted while the ones that bash my event are left on the board? You make it sound like everything's equal as long as you're an advertiser.

I'll give you an example.....

When Ocean Drive Magazine first started they were really dependant on ads from local clubs. It was a huge part of their initial revenue stream. Jason Binn, a co-owner of Ocean Drive, opened a club called Bar None. His ads always got the best placement. His ads were always right next to the club listings. His club always had more pictures in the photos page. After a few months, other clubs stopped advertising. Jason was forced to make a decision.......club owner or magazine publisher.

Diego can't be both. It's that simple. Is he doing CJ to help his promotions? Is he doing promotions to help CJ? Either way.....it can't work.

[Guest monkey reincarnated]

One the heck happened? Surely they did not ban the sweetest girl in Miami!

aw shucks!! thanks James! *blush*

couldn't really tell you. all I know is that the funky monkey was mysteriously no longer able to log in (for several hours) under her profile any more once she started participating in the aforementioned DRAMA! seems the problem has since been resolved...interesting, no?

[Oni1414777741]

Fair enough.

Translation: You're right. And we don't give a shit.