blueangel Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 Just a warning . . . it's a long article, but a good one!! -------------------------------April 2 — “I want my son back,” begins the father’s e-mail, asking if he could have his deceased 8-year-old cloned. “Let’s say I am 33 and I want a clone. Is my clone also 33 or are they born as a baby?” asks another e-mail. Then there’s the infertile woman who calls cloning her “only option” for a child but wants to know if a clone could look like both parents “or do you have to choose just one?”Read messages on Internet sites touting the possibility of human cloning and a trend emerges: Many Americans don’t understand what cloning means, much less how risky animal experiments show the technology to be today. Mainstream scientists, already furious that some infertility doctors and a religious cult plan to try human cloning, cringe even more at the confusion of people desperate to believe cloning will help them soon. Cloning’s not very popular: A poll of 1,000 adults to be released Tuesday by the American Museum of Natural History concluded 92 percent of Americans wouldn’t approve of cloning to reproduce a favorite person. Some 86 percent wouldn’t even want to clone a pet. Still, proponents claim lists of hundreds clamoring for cloning services — and told Congress last week that they could perform it safely simply by testing clone-embryos for defects before implanting them into women. But if such tests were available today, animal cloning wouldn’t fail so often, say animal cloners. Despite headlines and photographs of Dolly the sheep and cloned cows, pigs, goats and mice, most animal clones still die, usually during embryonic development. Others are stillborn with monstrous abnormalities. Bloated mothers have laborious miscarriages, and occasionally die themselves. Clones struggle for air in intensive care, only to have to be euthanized. Even initial survivors remain fragile. Monday, California scientists reported that two recently cloned cows died, presumably because immune-system defects left them unable to fight infection. So what would initial human cloning attempts be like? Massachusetts Institute of Technology biologist Rudolf Jaenisch paints a grim scenario: - For the first 100 attempts, expect about five live births. - Surrogate mothers may experience risky miscarriages, stillbirths — at the least a hard pregnancy, carrying both a fetus and placenta that are abnormally large. Some cloned animals were born twice as large as they should be. - Some babies who survive birth will die in days or weeks from abnormal hearts, kidneys, livers or lungs. - One baby, maybe two, will survive appearing outwardly normal. But is the brain normal? Do cells multiply properly so he doesn’t get cancer or age rapidly? Will he die later in childhood from immune defects?“Absolutely it’s doable,” Jaenisch says of cloning technology. But unless it’s improved in animals before human experiments, “the deaths might not be the worst. The worst might be the ones born and kept alive on a respirator.”WRONG IDEASThen consider the false expectations. Cloning isn’t like Hollywood portrays it. No, you wouldn’t get a 33-year-old twin — by the time the clone was 33, you’d be 66 and nine months. No mixing of both parents’ traits; only genes from one would be used. And despite parents’ heartbreaking hopes, it could not resurrect a deceased child. It could replicate only DNA, not the impossible-to-duplicate environment and experiences that created someone’s unique personality and character. Texas A&M University animal cloner Mark Westhusin says that “extremely troubling” confusion means the grief-stricken are vulnerable to scams. Cloning proponents rightly note that society once feared in-vitro fertilization, calling it unethical or warning of monstrous defects before the first test-tube baby was born. Many mainstream scientists agree human cloning will be tried eventually, and perhaps become an accepted infertility treatment. But is it likely here soon? Some in Congress want a formal cloning ban — controversial because scientists fear a poorly worded ban could hurt research on cellular cloning for medical therapies. Regardless of any new law, the government has warned an Italian-Kentucky infertility duo and would-be cloners with the Raelian religious group that it won’t permit human cloning in this country until the technology’s proven safer.------------------------------BlueAngel------------------"Be as you wish to seem." — Socrates [This message has been edited by blueangel (edited 04-04-2001).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
translucent Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 I wish I had a clone...that way I could do all sorts of bad stuff. When apprehended, I'd maintain that "it must have been my Evil Twin!"------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momadance Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 Originally posted by nycetouch:now if they clone Sasha, Digweed, DT, and a couple of others, would they still spin good shit or would they be the cheesier versions. According the the article, they would be born still having to aquire the skills and gain the experiance of becoming a DJ before they actualy could. there would not be babies mixing on turntables.------------------Gotta Jibboo, And you keep on drinking too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycetouch Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 Originally posted by momadance: According the the article, they would be born still having to aquire the skills and gain the experiance of becoming a DJ before they actualy could. there would not be babies mixing on turntables.I guess I'm just a dumb american who does not understand cloning ------------------ Accountz Reeceevin' Ain't For No Candy-Ass Temps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momadance Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 LOL------------------Gotta Jibboo, And you keep on drinking too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugwump Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 Same applies to test tube babies and invitro infertalization..many errors occured at the innitial stage..You can't move foward without mistakes..The first heart transplants where a horrible mess..same with many other common medical practices today..This will happen very soon..Cloning..But after the initial shock people will get use to it..as well as realize all that gene therapy can do..(which cloning is based on..)------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resident Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 Originally posted by mugwump:Same applies to test tube babies and invitro infertalization..many errors occured at the innitial stage..Oh it's you again... when are you going to fry yourself by playing with a live wire? We'll give you that Darwin award if you would just shut up...------------------it's funny until somebody gets hurt. and then it's even funnier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugwump Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 Originally posted by resident: Oh it's you again... when are you going to fry yourself by playing with a live wire? ---------------------------------------------Such inteligent comments as usual from this one again....what's the matter?Can't handle people with a different perspective than your own?What a misserable life you must live thinking you are the one and only absolut authority on every topic..No wonder you could't finish med school!It must have been to rough on your ego to hear other people with different ideas..That's ok though...(Mugz offers resident a lolipop and pats him on the back..) ------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycetouch Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 now if they clone Sasha, Digweed, DT, and a couple of others, would they still spin good shit or would they be the cheesier versions. and if so we can use the clones to spin everyday at different clubs, our own little favorite dj's in nyc. ------------------ Accountz Reeceevin' Ain't For No Candy-Ass Temps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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