starla

im so glad to see people starting to recognize JP's responsibility in all this... about 6 months ago you would have been blasted on this board by about a million brainwashed jp fans refusing to believe any word of truth... the excess drug abuse really needs to stop before it totally destroys the nyc scene, which im afraid it already has... by the way... to the people who were complaining that they had to get dressed up to get into black, and how could you NOT wear sneakers to hear jonathan... FYI > when factory was slamming in 98-99, EVERYONE had to dress up! the crowd was so exclusive, girls were wearing long dress type gowns and really wild outfits, adn guys couldnt get in with sneakers or jeans, i even remember guys being turned away for not having a shirt tucked in or wearing a chain necklace outside their sweater.... we used to get really dressed up and bring a change of clothes in a gym bag and we would change into pj's for the afterhours... but no one was getting past paris unless they were fancy shmancy... the crowd was alot cleaner back then, fashion wise and drug wise... it seems as the drug use became more rampant the whole place just degenerated.... dress code and all...

just to clarify that was 2 or 3 jars between me adn my group of friends... about 5 people... the last two WMC's Ive seen things that no one should see... drug wise.. its really out of control. i remember when people went out to have a good time, not to bring themselves to as close to death as possible...

I don't often post, but I felt it was necesary after whats been going on in the past week. I also don't want to force my ideas and opinions on anyone but please read this with an open mind. and try to understand my points here. I used to go to sf every saturday for four years, (from 98-01) at that time i witnessed a slow process of degenration that has only now become completely obscene. Let me take you back to 1997, 1998 - When ecstacy was the number one club drug, the dancefloor was always packed, and jonathan was playing upbeat dancing music. (found a cure, let the sunshine, fright train, etc..) if anyone there was on drugs, it was most likely exstacy, e was everywhere, k was minimal... very minimal. everyone was wide awake, ready to go, non stop dancing, happy, talkative, the whole 'family' vibe was everywhere. like most of us know, E makes you happy, keeps you awake, makes everyone friends... this was the scene at SF during that time. Now lets fast forward to 1999,2000 - K becomes overwhelmingly the majority. G is very minimal. Jonathan starts playing less dance music and more beats, starts dissecting hte music adn then putting it back togtether. this musical experience lended itself to people doing k. you could just sit and experience the music and all the fuct up sounds jp was creating. ecstacy use slowed because you couldnt dance to this new sound, so we started to sit adn do bumps instead... in 2000 i saw a girl die in SF from a g overdose. i believe this is the death (Victim 1) mentioned in the court papers of the latest case against Richard Grant. Like, I said, I stopped going regularly after 2001, but I would still make an appearance for special parties, the anniversaries, haloween, etc... each time i went i would see more adn more drug use, but as the crowd changed and i saw the older faces less and less adn the younger generation infiltrating, there were new drugs that were introduced along with this scene. suddenly G was everywhere, and now Tina (crystal meth). the amount of K that i was doing back in 99, maybe 2 or 3 jars at most a night - these kids were blowing in a matter of minutes. now jars arent even enough, they carry full licks in their contact lens bottles and blow thru 800$ worth of k in a weekend.... the scene has gone to complete excess. I dont know wheter its the younger kids who are getting into the scene now adn just taking no control over thier own drug use, or wheter im too old now and somehow it became "cool" to overdose or go into a coma... but things have gotten way out of hand. nightclubs have always had drug use, since back in the days of studio 54, and disco, etc... i am not ocmming down on drug use, dont get me wrong, im not anybodys mother - but people should know their limit and be able to control themselves... maybe they just need to be educated, but i was always one to do a little research on something before ingesting it into my body. G is meant to be taken in small capfulls, mixed with full bottles of water, not to drank pure and straight. not to be mixed with alchohol or other substances. people are dying, and although its sad, its their own fault in a way. no one is forcing them to do these gastly amounts of drugs, they are choosing this for themselves because it is accepted in the scene today and the more you do the cooler you are. ( i suppose) in a way i can also see jonathan peters as being somewhat responsible for this mess we are in today. he has to know that every saaturday nite at sf was a drug haven, and that all his fans who he supposedly 'loves adn cares about so much' are 'dropping like flies' from excess drug abuse. wheter you move these people to exit or to south beach, its clearly not the venue, but wherever you put jonathan peters, there will be rampant drug use. it is HIS fans who are dying, it is HIS fans who are the ones who cannot control their drug use, and it is HIS fans who are ruining the nyc nightclub industry. If JP loves adn cares about us all so much, as he often says when he does come on the mic - then why doesnt he tell his fans to stop destroying themselves? stop killing yourself? stop overdosing? stop doing so much drugs that you pass out into convulsins on a dirty floor? He obvioulsy doenst care, and thats a sad state of affairs. when the man who is i dare to say at least somewhat responsible for these kids - doesnt give a f*ck whtere or not they drop dead, so long as they pay their 50$ to get in. although it would be ironic if he 'killed' off all his fans, so there would be no one left to pay to hear him! all im asking is that everyone who reads this, stops for a minute. and just really think about what it is thats ruining nyc nightlife. because we really dont have very many 'mega' clubs left to go to... and it would be very sad to see it all end like this, because a few hundred people who have no control over their own lives... please look into getting some help, or at least research proper drug use so you dont end up the next overdose victim in a court indictment.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA!!!! I live right near this place and I have seen it being built. It is HUGE! Absolutly INSANE! IT IS GOING TO BRING THE BEST OF NYC NITELIFE TO JERSEY!! SOme other stuff I heard about FLIRT::::: It is going to be so classy and upscale that the grand opening is going to be invite only!!! I hear they are even pushing to stay open till 4 so they can get the jump on any other NJ club! This PLACE IS GOING TO BE SOOOO SICK!!!! START COUNTING DOWN THE DAYS TILL GRAND OPENING!!!!!!!! PS: i know Ray Albano and He DID work at Carbon 4 yrs ago - so that probably was him! Now hes a top DJ!!! cant wait to hear him play at the grand opening!!!!!!!