Well, I hear all the time men with good intentions comlaining that when they treat women with respect, women lose their interest. Yet most women complain that the men they are with turn out to be assholes. Could this be because women USUALLY are not attracted to "nice guys"? I think this is very close to what's happening, natural selection is the driving force. ------------------ May be one day I'll be an honest man... Up till now I do the best I can.