Are you talking about Clubplanet the company or people on this message board? If you are talking about the company. It is very simple. To be listed in the news letter that gets sent out each week the club has to pay, the second email that clubplanet sent out just about Tunnel this week was also paid for by Tunnel. This is how the company works with all the clubs. So if Twilo were to pay they could get the same thing, however they do not need to because they draw a huge crowd with out having to pay for news letter placement. Overall I do NOT agree with how the company works in terms of listing clubs however I understand where they are coming from (business perspective). ------------------ David H. Toxic Productions [This message has been edited by toxic (edited 08-20-2000).]