ATF... I understand your point about Factory and JP. I must say that Factory was a huge part of my life for 3 years..I went nearly every week and now I go once and a while..the scene has def. gone downhill a bit recently. Anyway, I just want to point out that PVD, Sasha, etc wouldn't set foot in the Factory. Europe is where this movement started and although drugs are a big part of the scene there too, these DJ's play for crowds that strictly come for the mucic. I myself go to SF for the music..but that is not majority of the people there (regardless of what they say..beleive me, I know just about all of the "regulars" ) What I'm saying is that the way NYC club scene is like nowadays, we will never have a resident DJ like PVD EVER..we must clean up our act if we want the REAL club experience..that's why TWILO on Friday's is often the best. Check out Pete Tong on October 6th @ Twilo to see what I'm talking about. I don't mean to preach and this is not directed totally at you...but if everyone who thinks they know what a club is because they haven't gotten outta Brooklyn long enough to get past 46th Street bet. 11/12 then there is a lot to be learned. Until next time when Oakie hits the Roxy again (he is a true Rock Star)..we will have to enjoy JP, for he is not a founder but the best follower that NY has to offer.