john62

This board and it's repetitive posters give me a clear idea of whats wrong in New York nightlife. What a bunch of pathertic haters you lot are. Constantly attacking anything and everything from clubs to promoters to people's sexual orientation. It's no wonder people from this board have such a pathetic reputation. Probably a good reason why fools like you lot dont get into clubs and the clubs you do get into, soon get either busted or shut down. The internet has sporned a new breed of idiots that have NOTHING positive to contribute except for insults. I'm also amazed as why on earth promoters, or clubs even bother posting on here. Who in the hell would want a crowd like you to come to their parties. So now we will see all the reply's and attacks back to me, but let me tell you that they dont faze me one bit. I wont even be checking the replies so save your energies for more attaacks on the latest clubs or parties going on. Big ups to Avalon, Crobar and Spirit and all other NYC clubs for not relying on this pathetic bunch to fill your clubs. You are all (with a small few exceptions) a sad pathetic bunch of losers. I for one won't miss this place one little bit.

Words simply cannot describe the experience last night at the Press and Industry Opening Party at Crobar. It is the most amazing club I have EVER experienced. It was Studio 54 all over again. Naked people sitting on sofa.s above the floor. Punk Rock dressed girls coming down on high wires from the ceiling. Bartenders standing on top of the bars dancing. A guy building a dress on the stage made of paper which by the end of the night took up the whole stage area. 3 rooms all packed to the brim with happy happy faces. The place was packed beyond belief and I estimated over 6000 people. The lines were so thick to get in the club that the Police had to shut off both ends of the street. The lines were from 26 street all the way to 28 street. Celebrities up the wazoo. Denzel Washington, P Diddy, J Lo, Beyonce etc etc. To say that Crobar is what every other club can only strive to be, is a real understatement. Crobar was exactly what New York needed and I'm sorry but you can forget EVERY other club in New York from this point on. CROBAR was like nothing I have ever witnessed. It was a whole show from beginning to end with so much to see at every minute. Now lets talk about the SOUND SYSTEM. Forget it the system took the fuckin roof off with it's power and feel. the music was amazing courtesy of Frankie Knuckles. at times the lound hissing of the CO2 cannons went off and in 5 seconds the room was completly drenched in thick white and very cold air. The lights at this point made the whole experience unbelievable. In short my advise is dont miss going to Crobar. It is what all the other clubs wish they were. If you are going to the grand opening tonight mysuggestion is to get there early if you want any hope of getting in. Congratulations CROBAR. you lived up to the hype and surpassed it by miles.

Wow such positivity. With your attitude it's a wonder you dont show everyone how to do it better. I only recall Crobar making one date official that's been pushed back one week. Wow how terrible they are for not opening when they said they would.

Sorry I have to disagree with most of this review. Here is my take on it: Firstly I have to congratulate Robbie Wooten and al the staff for doing such a great job with the space. The entrance was smooth and simple with all security guards (Dressed in White) both respectful and courteous. Coat check was a little manic as it's in the path of the entrance and caused a bit of a bottle neck. At this point there is really no resemblence to the space we knew as Twilo. The entrance stairs go down to the main floor room which is nicely designed and laid out. The room seems a lot smaller than before but some of that room is taken up by a fixed stage sitting under a huge globe with projections screens either side of it. The sound system in my opinion did not sound good at all. No clarity and at times a bit muffled. This I'm sure is just and EQ'ing issue that can be corrected. The performance's were OK I guess. Kind of Riverdance meets New Age Ballet. The naked girl with the hoola hoop however did a great job of performing well to the music being played. Lots of lights and projections created a somewhat bright room which at times seemed to blind you with light. The design of the room is that the 2nd and 3rd floors have been half removed to create an atrium effect that allows the secons the 3rd floor to look down over the dancefloor and stage. The second floor consists of a sweep around balcony (VIP Room) wich also houses the DJ booth, light and sound console. The ceilings on the fllor are very low and create a dark and secluded VIP room. The 3rd floor is the 160 seater restaurant, bar and Holistic center, Aromatherapy massage rooms, Henna tattooist and reflexology are just some of the concepts here which some might find gimmicky, but seemed to work well inside the club. Throughtout the space there are nooks and crannies to explore and performance artists doing little shows in several places. The restaurant menu had a good selection and well priced. Very cool to be able to sit at your table eating and drinking and looking down at the dancefloor. The music in the food area was very New Agey! Drinks are all well priced and I think this place will do very well with an older crowd. The age group on Saturday was older and funny to see people walking around sometimes looking a little lost. The few Drag Queens that were there seemed to look outta place. Don't really think it's a venue for that at this point. I think the concept of Spirit is definitely over some people's heads and not sure if NYC is really ready for it just yet. What works in Europe doesn't always translate in the US. I think however that this is targetted at an older crowd. SF/Exit/Crobar/ types will probably NOT like it. I look forward to the official opening next Saturday with David Morales.

Err, OK! I guess the ARC staff must have all been lying at the Crobar Job Fair.

From my understanding the very short term lease agreement is inclusive of a right for the owners to sell the building thereby making the lease null and void. DT is already being approached by the other big and soon to open clubs but he may decide to forego his residency status in NYC and go back to big buck touring and his one-off events at his Loft. I guess time will tell I do believe the rumor though as all the security guards were at the Crobar Job Fair yesterday and were all confirming the rumor

Heard over the weekend from a very reliable inside source that the club more known as Vinyl has now been sold. The building actually sold for more than the asking price of $18 Million and the purchaser is a property developer who has also bought the rights to build above the current 3 floors. The deal has been done and the club will cease operations in February 2004. RIP Vinyl

Not true I'm afraid. The owner of Life's space and also all the commercial properties on the same block is Roy Stillman. Roy shut down Club Life due to his cabaret licencense being revoked due to a high number of complaints from local residents. The complaints ranged from noise violations stemming from bass speakers reverbaration through the steel supports of the building in to the apartments above. Drug dealers from Washingtom Square Park doing business on Sullivan and Thompson street corners. Cab drivers tooting their horns late at night trying to pick up rides from the club and the last major complaint was a violation of the lease when they turned the Sullivan Street room into a party room when it was zoned ONLY for storage space. Roy then tried to sell the business but had no takers with such a wealth of bad issues outstanding. He eventually decided to keep the space and turn it into a performance venue for Theatrical shows, although there is a restriction that there can be no amplified sound after 11pm. There thats the story !!!

Now the last line of your post is real funny Dude I think that most of the people involved with Crobar ARE from NYC, so your only preaching to the converted. I think you all need to chill with all the clubby advise and all the attacks, sarcasm (whatever you want to call it) until they have ACTUALLY opened. That way your contructive critisism will actually be based on SOMETHING! How can you constructively criticize something that hasn't opened yet?? I think for them to post online (Voice behind the club) and also to offer the Job Fair details on THIS board speaks volumes as to their target audience. They are speak and talking to YOU! So let them do what they need to do and if after they open you feel they SUCK, then go right ahead and attack them. Till then I think we all need to chill out a bit! Same thing goes for all those on Naughtbooth who cant wait to attack every little bit of info the clubs puts online. I dont recall any other club AT ALL posting on meesage boards

Well as I started this thread, so maybe I should end it. The old saying goes that if you do 10 good deeds and 1 bad one, people will only remember the bad one. The Internet has given the ordinary joe a voice and a forum for his/her voice. Bad service and poor customer care wont go unoticed anymore. When people get sold 1 thing but receive another, their gonna say something which before they rarely could. Personally I think that Avalon (Limelight to the rest of us) has a hard act to follow. No matter whether you spent $50 Million on changing it. It's still the Limelight and a lot of the people who are going to go are going to compare it to that. Yes times have changed, The club kids have gone or grown up, but the overall expectation of a place that has so much club history is still the same. Whether you were there before or not people have all heard or read stories about the decadence of Limelight and how outrageous and fun it was. To now try and turn it into something else will be a difficult pill to swallow, no matter what Big Name DJ you book. The New York club scene has changed so much that it's no longer JUST about the DJ's anymore. It's about the TOTAL experience and that includes how people are treated and how they are made to feel when they go to your club. I understand that you want to create a certain vibe and pull a certain clientele, but if in doing so you alienate the "Ordinary Joe", you are going to fail in your attempt to keep this place running. What counts is how you treat people from the security guy at the door to the coatcheck person to the bartender to the DJ to the General Manager. You are all part of the process of creating the TOTAL vibe. Making many areas of the club VIP is both elitist and unecessary because by the time the bottle crowd have moved on (Which we all know they do), you will have already lost the regulars clubbers and in a big room type club, these are the very people that will remain loyal and keep coming week after week. Thats not to say you shouldn't have a VIP area or do Bottle service, but do it in a logical and sensible manner. Your in a building phase now and cannot afford to get off to a bad start. Unless of course you are over capacity every night which I don't think you are, are you? The place has a huge legacy and is full of club history. Avalon have all the elements needed to suceed and instead of dissing all the complaints you should learn from them and use the knowledge to improve and make the Avalon experience better. Nobody wants to see you fail, least of all me as I'm in this business and I want all clubs to thrive and flourish. Good luck and sorry for the ramble.

I think they will do what Powder did. Fuck up their New Year's Eve party with a regular club crowd but charging A list prices and not letting anyone sit down unless they book a $1000 table then be closed after nobody goes back in January. Remember all the reviews of Powder last New Year's and by Jan 2nd it was CLOSED! I personally know good friends that work at Crobar and they have a VIP especially for the Bottle crowd. However the main room and longes will be for the club crowd. The can sit where they like and hear some of the worlds best DJ's in a Steve Dash designed booth. I have great hopes that Crobar will do what the others seem to not have any clue about.

Oh and if you thought that the owners/bookers/promoters are not reading these posts, think again. I guarantee you they reaqd this and even if they dont, they are told by employees about the comments on this and other boards. More importantly the Club Planet members as well as naughtybooth, EZ, NCC and others represent the VERY people that Avalon should be trying to market too. The Chi Chi crowd dont give a FUCK about the club as long as for the first 6 weeks of it being the hottest new place, they can get a table and a bottle to look all important. trust me after about 6 weeks they will be moving on to Spirit or Crobar or Dream and any number of new places that have a special place for the bottle crowd. And it wont be on the main floor stage area. Avalon can be shut down as quickly as it opened. Thats why Estate didn't even last 3 months. It's why Powder didn't last 2 months. Because the owners had this misconception that people wanting $300 bottles of Vodka would keep them alive. Well it didn't and for any club to try that stupidity again is asking for failure. We have the power to make or break ANY venue in the city simply bt boycotting it. Just see how quickly the door policy changes when they get desperate.

Actually I heard this from several reviews posted on this and other sites. My point being however that everyone from clubbers to DJ's dont have good things to say about this club. Some of the DJ's that have played there already are friends of mine and they have no desire to return. Shorty is also a good friend of mine

It's so funny that several weeks ago everybody was posting on here about how Avalon was going to rule the clubs and wipe the floor of Spirit and Crobar. and how they were so professional that they bought the space and opened before everybody else. Well I bet you're all eating your words now. From my and other people's experiences so far, Avalon has done nothing but caused bad reviews. FYI the space is exactly the same as it was when Estate did all those renovations. Avalon did NOTHING to this space except make half the dancefloor a VIP bottle service area. The marketing and promotion for this club is all wrong! Wrong DJ's on wrong nights promoted to the wrong crowd. Ridiculous door policy that is obviously not working. Terrible customer relations and not the slightest idea of what SERVICE means. Ripping people off for bottles and then threatening to throw them out for complaining. Most big name DJ's have complained about the booth, the system, the sound and the set up. Not suspending turntables, No crossover or crossfader. I mean com on! this club is yet another failed attempt at trying to revamp an old and now very tired space. RIP Limelight. Trying to make it all chi chi and charging ridiculous prices is a receipe for disaster. I honestly predict that Avalon will be out of business in less than 6 months, unless they try to cater to the very crowds that will keep it open. Forget the CHI CHI CRAP and get back to entertaining the REAL CLUB PEOPLE! I'm outta here.................

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Beginning Sunday, August 17th Sunday Sessions is proud to announce the opening of the upstairs room with new Resident DJ Frank Delour GBH Resident @ Centro-Fly (Hip-Hop & Classics) Downstairs DJ Victor Rosado Paradise Garage & The Loft (Deep House & Classics) ( For more info check out the website at http://www.sunday-sessions.com

Beginning Sunday, August 17th Sunday Sessions is proud to announce the opening of the upstairs room with new Resident DJ Frank Delour GBH Resident @ Centro-Fly (Hip-Hop & Classics) Downstairs DJ Victor Rosado Paradise Garage & The Loft (Deep House & Classics) ( For more info check out the website at http://www.sunday-sessions.com

After 3 great months at SUITE 16's, we felt the time was right to move to a bigger and better spot. Starting this Sunday, Sunday-Sessions will be located at Club MISSION 217 bowery between Spring and Rivington Mission is a new club opened about 4 months ago on the bowery. 2 floors with 2 great EAW sound systems will enable us to offer 2 great Sunday party vibes in one space. This Sunday we celebrate the birthday of the late Larry Levan (Paradise Garage DJ) with a special party DJ's upstairs will be E-Man (PS1 last saturday) and White Mike (Glass Saturday night DJ) Downstairs will be Classic House by Garage and Loft DJ Victor Rosado There will be a buffet served at 10pm and the party runs from 7pm till 2am See You On The Dance Floor

So Gay Pride 2003 is almost upon us and this Sunday will be a real treat for all you Classic heads. Sunday Sessions proudly presents our first ever Marathon 12 hour party in the middle of all the Parade day festivities. Starting early at 3pm and not ending till 3am Monday morning, we present the Gay Pride Party with DJ's VICTOR ROSADO (Paradise Garage & The Loft)& ANDRE COLLINS (The Warehouse/The Duplex) There will be reduced price drinks. Decorations courtesy of Margo & her crew FREE Food cooked and presented courtesy of Victor Rosado and 12 hours of slamming dance music from timeless classics right up to today's big hits. As you may know, Sunday Sessions is located at Suite 16's which is on the corner of 16th & 8th Avenue and will be in the middle of all the PRIDE action. Once you enter you will receive a hand stamp which will enable you to come in and out the club all day and night as you please so you dont miss any of the action. Come early if you want to catch the food though.

Spirit's opening has been pushed back till late October due to construction set backs. Remember though this space will ONLY be a club on Saturday night and no DJ has yet been selected to play. Rumors of Junior playing there are FALSE! This info comes directly from the owner. Crobar however is scheduled to open mid to late September and will be open Thursday thru Sunday night.

Thanks to everyone who made last night another incredible gathering. Funny how many of you say that Sunday Sessions has the vibe of the early B&S parties. Amazing music courtesy of Jon Cutler (Who wouldn't play "It's Yours") Place was as usual nice and packed with a great vibe Next SUNDAY dont forget...DJ SPINNA! Enjoy the new mix by Doug Ramones "A Summer Fix"

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