mr mahs

How else should we deal with them?

Don't get me wrong the PT is def busted... I did read that Daimler has focused it's resources into increasing product quality to cut costs of warranty funded repairs of late models which inturn helped the bottom line. The Crossfire is a interersting machine based on semi-unique only resembles a 500sl slightly (and I mean slightly) but other parts are compatible with a sibling benz for a lot less. Have to see it up close, have to admit the 18f 19r sound sweet. Maybe Daimler can run with it, and puts some balls on that 6 with a turbo or Kompresser for under 40K.

Why am I not surprised about your response, LOON!

To big? this guy is a skinny runt this is big..

Good morning. This weekend I am beginning a journey to Europe and the Middle East. My first stop is Poland, the home of a proud people who have known both the horror of tyranny and the hope of liberty. On a visit to Warsaw two years ago, I affirmed our nation's commitment to a united Europe, bound to America by close ties of history, commerce and friendship. Today we are striving for a world in which men and women can live in freedom and peace, instead of in fear and chaos, and every civilized nation has a stake in the outcome. Poland and America are proud members of NATO, and our military alliance must be prepared to meet the challenges of our time. Our common security requires European governments to invest in modern military capabilities so our forces can move quickly with a precision that can strike the guilty and spare the innocent. NATO must show resolve and foresight to act beyond Europe, and it has begun to do so. NATO has agreed to lead security forces in Afghanistan and to support Polish allies in Iraq. A strong NATO alliance, with a broad vision of its role, will serve our security and the cause of peace. In the last 20 months, the world has seen the determination of our nation, and many others, to fight the forces of terror. Yet armed force is always a last resort, and Americans know that terrorism is not defeated by military power alone. We believe that the ultimate answer to hatred is hope. The ideology of terrorism takes hold in an atmosphere of resentment and despair. So we must help men and women around the world to build lives of purpose and dignity. In Africa and elsewhere, America is committed to a comprehensive, $15-billion effort to prevent and treat AIDS and provide humane care for its victims. I urge our partners in Europe to make a similar commitment, so we can work together in turning the tide against AIDS in Africa. My administration has proposed an emergency famine fund, so we can rush help to countries where the first signs of famine appear. The nations of Europe can greatly help in this effort with emergency funds of their own. I urge European governments to reconsider policies that discourage African farmers from using safe biotechnology to feed their own people. I have also proposed a 50 percent increase in America's core development assistance to help spur economic growth and alleviate poverty. This aid will go where it will do the most good -- not to corrupt elites, but to nations with leaders that respect the rule of law, invest in the health and education of their people, and encourage economic freedom. If European governments will adopt these same standards, we can work side by side in providing the kind of development aid that helps transform entire societies. America and Europe are called to advance the cause of freedom and peace. Next week in the Middle East, I will meet with the Palestinian and Israeli prime ministers and other leaders in the region. The work ahead will require difficult decisions and leadership, but there is no other choice. No leader of conscience can accept more months and years of humiliation and killing and mourning. For peace to prevail, terrorism must end. All concerned must shake off the old arguments and the old ways and act in the cause of peace. And I will do all I can to help the parties reach and agreement and to see that agreement is enforced. This is America's agenda in the world. From the defeat of terror, to the alleviation of disease and hunger, to the spread of human liberty, we welcome and we need the help, advice and wisdom of friends and allies. When Europe and America are united, no problem and no enemy can stand against us.

The Rav 4 or Outlander are economical SUV'S . The day of monster SUV with it's huge gas tanks and poor gas mileage are done. Sure you will have your select guidos with 50in rims but the soccer moms I bet are steering away but still want some kind of smaller SUV. Look at Range rover with their introduction into the small suv sector with it's Free Lander. I almost leased a fully loaded outlander for 250 a month no money down see what a pathfinder runs you, in the 4's..

Thanx. It's torture.... garlic to a vampire.

Maybe the 80k + price tag has something to do with it.

ANSWER Given the chance they (terrorists)wouldn't blink an eye...

Good read for the left on this board that claim that we haven't gotten anywhere with th war on terror and are only judging our success on the symbolic figurehead Bin LADEN.. After half dead Bob's remarks what do we do with the detainees in Gitmo bay? I wish it's as easy as feeding them to the sharks in Cuba but we all know that can't happen but how do we deal with these animals.

If the economy turns which from the latest coporate and economical reports are suggesting what can beat Bush in 2004?? YEAAAAHH ANOTHER 4 YEARS OF BUSH BABY.. Chicago-region factory index soars past expectations The market took off immediately after the Chicago branch of the National Association of Purchasing Management reported its May manufacturing index. The measure rose to 52.2 for May, up from 47.6 in April. Economists were expecting the index to rise to 49. A reading above 50 indicates manufacturing activity is expanding. Meanwhile, the market all but ignored a worse-than-anticipated April personal-spending number released before the bell. The Commerce Department said Americans’ spending fell 0.1% last month, while economists were looking for a rise of 0.1%. Personal income was unchanged, as expected. Ram Bhagavatula, chief economist at Royal Bank of Scotland Financial Markets, told CNBC’s “Squawk Box” the disappointing April number was countered by an upward revision for spending in March. That could be the reason index futures were so pococurante. (That was the winning word at yesterday’s National Spelling Bee. Check out the story at MSNBC.com here.) The government revised March spending growth to 0.8% from the previous figure of 0.4%. Bhagavatula said seasonal factors, such as Easter coming later this year, made it important to consider March and April together when looking at the numbers

Good shit.

:laugh: Very true

It will be missed

Def a sick ride by why so much loot? Close to 40K for a souped up beetle j/k.. I mean to each his own but for 40k + what ever you are going to put in to it and the possible bending over a barrel episodes at the dealer if anything goes wrong.. For 225hp why not the WRX for 26k or a EVOLUTION FOR 28K?

I know it was raw.. The findings on how people like Dr Germ or The Sheik kahedd mohammed received educations from american universities troubles me. Unfortunatley those celebrity terrorists ruined it for everyone else.. Rememeber the 19 high jackers attended american universities so I think it's a good idea to investigate or suspend indefinetly the student visa program until a better way of screening these people is implemented.

But where is the outcry from amnesty international? It just angers me that the Geneva convention- violator finger, is always pointed our way...that's all.

Halliburton's Iraq, Afghanistan Contracts at $600 Million and Growing Friday, May 30, 2003 WASHINGTON — Vice President Dick Cheney's (search) former company already has garnered more than $600 million in military work related to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and potentially could earn billions more without having to compete with other companies. As the Army's sole provider of troop support services, Halliburton's Kellogg Brown & Root subsidiary has received work orders totaling $529.4 million related to the two wars under a 10-year contract that has no spending ceiling. Rather than put the Iraq work up for bidding, the government has used the 2001 Halliburton contract to place the various work orders in Iraq, prompting criticism from some Democrats that Cheney's former company is receiving favored treatment. "The amount Halliburton could receive in the future is virtually limitless," said Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., who disclosed the troop support work orders Thursday. "It is simply remarkable that a single company could earn so much money from the war in Iraq." Halliburton (search), a Houston-based oilfield-services and construction company, disputes those characterizations, noting it had to compete to win the original contract and that each of its work orders is covered by strict guidelines and costs controls. "U.S. government contracts are awarded, not by politicians, but by government civil servants, under strict guidelines," company spokeswoman Wendy Hall said. "Government civil servants are well aware of and consistently abide by the requirements of the process. Privatizing this work allows the military to concentrate on its mission. " "Any allegation that this contract is set up to encourage unwarranted spending is unfounded and untrue," she said. "The vice president has nothing to do with the awarding of contracts, the bidding process or task orders." Cheney headed Halliburton from 1995 until George W. Bush picked him as his running mate in July 2000. The Army Corps of Engineers (search), using a separate no-bid contract, has awarded Kellogg Brown & Root $71.3 million in work orders to repair and operate oil wells in Iraq. That contract has a two-year duration of a spending ceiling of $7 billion. Kellogg Brown & Root competed with two other companies in 2001 to win the logistics contract that makes it the Army's only private supplier of troop support services such as housing, amenities and food over the next decade. The initial logistics contract award carried no value. The Army negotiates each task order with the company and then verifies the costs as they are billed. There is no ceiling on spending, because the contract is designed to provide rapid troop support wherever and whenever U.S. forces move into action overseas. Under similar contracts, the Army paid Kellogg Brown & Root $1.2 billion from 1992 through 1999 to support U.S. troops, mainly in the Balkans. An extension of that contract from 1999 through 2004 is projected to cost $1.8 billion. Since March 2002, the Army has issued 24 task orders totaling $425.5 million under the contract for work related to Operation Iraqi Freedom, according to Army records provided Waxman. Eleven more work orders totaling $103.9 million have been issued under the same contract for work related to the war in Afghanistan. Dan Carlson, spokesman for the Army Field Support Command, said the Army has paid $42 million to Kellogg Brown & Root through April for work under the contract related to Iraq and Afghanistan. Carlson said the more than $500 million in work orders under the logistics contract represents the Army's best estimate of the final costs of the projects. He said the company must justify its spending to Army contract officials before it can be paid. "Costs are verified as they are billed," he said. "We may spend more or we may spend less." Much of a $60 million obligation to Brown & Root to provide logistical supply line services and locations in Turkey was never spent because the Turkish government refused to allow U.S. troops to launch an invasion of Iraq from Turkey, Carlson said

Pack em up and get them the fuck out....

I rarely insult you.. You are selectively beleiving alot of speculation. Read the first paragraph Red Cross denied access to PoWs Up to 3,000 Iraqis - some of them civilians - believed to be gagged, bound, hooded and beaten at US camps close to Baghdad airport The key word is beleived as in not confirmed. It amazes me that you choose to beleive something that portrays the United States in a bad light but beleive nothing that comes out of the white house. I don't rememer anyone here except select right wingers condemn the acts of the Iraqis towards our guys which is 20x worse . Anyone forget the pilot in 91 that went down and was never retreived? but I bet you beleive the Iraqi's that he died..

How so? because I think logically and practice common sense?

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Wouldn't it be great if the U.S. had a covert team, that are human drones controled from a room at Centcom full of military gamer freaks on bean bags and 55inch HDTV plasma screens tv's lol. Could this be the next way of fighting wars?? God knows me and my boys have devoted enough time to mastering the FPS great HALO. For all that are familiar with HALO understand where I am coming from.. you give me and 10 others a squad of Master Chief and I am taking out countries lol.... Study: Action-Based Video Games Improve Perception Thursday, May 29, 2003 All those hours spent playing video games may not be wasted time after all: A new study suggests action-packed video games like "Grand Theft Auto III (search)" and "Counter-Strike (search)" may sharpen your mind. Researchers at the University of Rochester (search) found that young adults who regularly played video games full of high-speed car chases and blazing gun battles showed better visual skills than those who did not. For example, they kept better track of objects appearing simultaneously and processed fast-changing visual information more efficiently. To rule out the possibility that visually adept people are simply drawn to video games, the researchers conducted a second experiment. They found that people who do not normally play video games but were trained to play them developed enhanced visual perception. Exactly why video games have this effect is not clear. The researchers said more study is needed. They said the findings suggest that video games could be used to help visually impaired patients see better or to train soldiers for combat. The study was published in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature and was led by Daphne Bavelier, an associate professor of brain and cognitive sciences. Parent groups and anti-violence advocates contend that the bloodshed in some video games triggers aggressive behavior in young people, as some hotly disputed studies have suggested. They blame violent video games for such crimes as the 1999 Columbine High School massacre. The new study did not directly address how video violence affects behavior. Instead, the experiments focused on a person's ability to recognize and interpret symbols and letters after playing video games. "Some people think that video games are turning kids into supergeniuses or psychokillers," said Kurt Squire, an educational game designer at Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Games-To-Teach Project, who was not part of the study. "The reality is probably close to this, where people can process visual information much quicker and be able to discern between different types of information." Soldiers who grow up playing video games do better in processing information on a screen or operating long-range unmanned aerial vehicles that can film or photograph enemy activity on the ground, according to military experts. "There are some very avid video gamers in the military. The people who have been playing video games all their lives seem a lot more comfortable in some of these kinds of environments," said Lt. Cmdr. Russell Shilling of the MOVES Institute at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, Calif. In the Rochester study, 16 men ages 18 to 23 took a series of tests that measured their ability to locate the position of a blinking object, count the number of simultaneous objects on a screen and pick out the color of an alphabet letter. Those who played video games for the previous six months performed better in all those tests than those who did not. In a separate test, a group of 17 who never played video games were trained to play the military game "Medal of Honor" and the puzzle game "Tetris." After playing for 10 days, those who learned "Medal of Honor" scored better on the performance tests than those who didn't. Pamela Eakes, president of the Seattle-based Mothers Against Violence in America, said scientists need to look more closely at the effects of video violence on habitual video-game players.

I Love Ann Coulter. Where do you find her articles? what paper does she write for.

Raver, Read my post it says that they are experiencing a FRACTION of what has been done to our guys that were captured.. Gutanomo bay is a fucking country club compared to some of these animals normal habitats, what other country would give it's prisoners 3 meals a day and NOT beat it's prisoners to an inch of there lives?? Look things are hectic over their and as soon as they are properly screened the people who are cleared will be allowed to leave. Did you guys forget we just fought a war.. We will interrogate all the prisoners for information not to do so will be a mistake on our part because human intel is the best intel.. Americans are hated all over the world what kind of fair trial would a marine receive in a international court seriously... Get this 1 world 1 nation crap out of your head dude... nobody looks after americans like americans and I am glad we pulled away from the international court, next maybe we will smarten up and dump the U.N! 1 can only hope....