Junior's vibe do not travel well as a real 'jr experience' is as much about junior than it is about his crowd on those sunday morning. my humble opinion. And about clubbing origins, EVERY new york deejay who did get a party going; be it Jr@Factory, Morales@RedZone, Body&Soul, Shelter, DT@Vinyl... they ALL go back to The Paradise Garage and The Loft (they said it themselves over and over again). That is where the root of nyc club culture is to be found. (and that pre-dates house music or techno i believe). And btw, yes, techno was influenced by European music but it is a true art form born in Detroit. Everything will get an influence from somewhere, but you have to acknowlegde the birth of Techno and House as particular events and not just an evolution. edit: and those pioneers deserve all the recognition they can get! backupqueen