synderella420 Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 Okay I was thinking, he did a lot of horrible shit..and felt that he doesnt have the right to be buried in a Catholic Church..then something came over me...what gives the Catholic Church the right to deny a man a ceremony in the Church? After all God is supposed to be a forgiving man......and that is a house of god but they shouldn't play god...especially not after all the shit that has been going down in the Church...I mean being pedophiles and gay and all...So what is everyone elses take on this??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somebitch Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 god isnt a man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoke Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 You expect consistency from the Church?These are the same people who said that priests should be removed if they molest more than one child... as if the first one is okay, but any more than that and, "Sorry, you're not holy anymore!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunnelbandit Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 Bury the piece of shit in the back of the prison and stick a wooden cross on his grave just like any other murderer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synderella420 Posted June 13 Author Report Share Posted June 13 Originally posted by somebitch god isnt a man Well what do u consider him then??oops excuse me maybe I should have said a fogiving soul, spirit, energy?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somebitch Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 Originally posted by synderella420 oops excuse me maybe I should have said a fogiving soul, spirit, energy??better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synderella420 Posted June 13 Author Report Share Posted June 13 Originally posted by tunnelbandit Bury the piece of shit in the back of the prison and stick a wooden cross on his grave just like any other murderer. yes I agree..but I am sure many other murderers were buried in a Catholic Church..I just dont think the church should judge..especially since it isnt so Holy.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t0nythelover Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 the fact that the church owns its own land gives it the right to deny him burial. its juts like no shoes no shirt no service, cept its no morals no service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr0ne Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 Originally posted by synderella420 yes I agree..but I am sure many other murderers were buried in a Catholic Church..I just dont think the church should judge..especially since it isnt so Holy.... this reminds me of a flyer i saw this past weekend for some show. it had a priest in the front saying something funny which I can't remember (i was wasted) but there was a quote in the bottom straight from the bible, it was hilarious it said something like "and let Him touch boys in a funny way" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeg Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 well as long as gotti didn't molest more than one boy, he should be burried in a church... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudeboyyouth Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 Not all churches or members of the clergy are unholy. Gotti doesn't deserve to be buried on Catholic grounds, and some members of the church, despite the negativity surrounding them, are sound in judgement and in opinion. The Catholic church is taking a real beating right now, but they were more than right in denying Gotti the right to be buried on Catholic ground. Members of the clergy are forced to make moral decisions which reflect their reasoning / decision making abilities to the public, and the afterlife or the forgivingness of God doesn't always fit into such decision making. I don't think its fucked up of them to deny him the right to be buried there. The reputation of the church as an institution, and more importantly, the grief of many of the family members of John Gotti's victims are more important than the overall forgivingness of God. As an institution, the church shouldn't have a man like Gotti on what they consider holy grounds. I doubt many of their patrons would appreciate it. While we are alive, decisions like these are what really count. John Gotti lived a long life in which he fucked up the lives of many Catholics and Non-Catholics alike. I hope his death was painful, just as the deaths of his many victims were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr0ne Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 Originally posted by rudeboyyouth Not all churches or members of the clergy are unholy. Gotti doesn't deserve to be buried on Catholic grounds, and some members of the church, despite the negativity surrounding them, are sound in judgement and in opinion. The Catholic church is taking a real beating right now, but they were more than right in denying Gotti the right to be buried on Catholic ground. Members of the clergy are forced to make moral decisions which reflect their reasoning / decision making abilities to the public, and the afterlife or the forgivingness of God doesn't always fit into such decision making. I don't think its fucked up of them to deny him the right to be buried there. The reputation of the church as an institution, and more importantly, the grief of many of the family members of John Gotti's victims are more important than the overall forgivingness of God. As an institution, the church shouldn't have a man like Gotti on what they consider holy grounds. I doubt many of their patrons would appreciate it. While we are alive, decisions like these are what really count. John Gotti lived a long life in which he fucked up the lives of many Catholics and Non-Catholics alike. I hope his death was painful, just as the deaths of his many victims were. right on. let the motherfucker burn in hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10Spectrums Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 Originally posted by joeg well as long as gotti didn't molest more than one boy, he should be burried in a church... so one "evil" act neccessitates the acceptance of another? good thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tastyt Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 oops... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoke Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 While I agree that Gotti was a rat bastard, if he claimed to be a Catholic, then he should be given a Catholic burial."Catholic" means "universal", i.e. open to everybody, and it's a religion based on repentance and forgiveness. If Gotti was a Catholic, then one would have to assume that he had repented, and therefore, had been accordingly forgiven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeg Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 Originally posted by misticminister so one "evil" act neccessitates the acceptance of another? good thinking ugh, where do we find these clowns...Let me clarify for you, chief... before you start running your mouth at people...1) It was a joke referencing hoke's post about the ridiculous inconsistancy of the catholic church. 2) It had nothing to do with anyone accepting anything... IMO the catholic church has been reduced from a centerpiece of society to a shell for financial gain/wrongdoing/and politcal maneuvering...3) I have yet to make a statement on whether he should or shouldn't be burried in a church, I was merely adding a touch of satire to the church's thought process.in short... before you start throwing comments like "good thinking" around... understand what you're commenting on and put on your asbestos suit... Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echostar Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 wheres msoprano when you need him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synderella420 Posted June 13 Author Report Share Posted June 13 Originally posted by hoke While I agree that Gotti was a rat bastard, if he claimed to be a Catholic, then he should be given a Catholic burial."Catholic" means "universal", i.e. open to everybody, and it's a religion based on repentance and forgiveness. If Gotti was a Catholic, then one would have to assume that he had repented, and therefore, had been accordingly forgiven. yes!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 Originally posted by synderella420 Well what do u consider him then??oops excuse me maybe I should have said a fogiving soul, spirit, energy?? There is no god. Stop this religious talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
embodiedhate Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 Jon Gotti's body should be dragged through the waterfront area in Brooklyn while tied to the tailpipe. After that they should put him in a bag, cement it and dump the body in New York harbor. I think that would be a fitting end to his life of thuggery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr0ne Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 All this religious talk is creeping me out.I must now counter this force by posting some satanic lyrics:"Propaganda death ensembleBurial to beCorpses rotting through the nightIn blood laced miseryScorched earth the policyThe reason for the singeThe pendulum it shaves the bladeThe strafing air blood raidinfiltration push reservesEncircle the front llinesSupreme art of strategyPlaying on the mindsBombard till submissionTake all to their gravesIndication of triumphThe number that are deadSport the war, war supportThe sport is war, total warWhen victory's a massacreThe final swing is not a drillIt's how many people I can killBe dead friend from abveWhen darkness fallsDescend into my sightsYour fallen wallsSpearhead break through the linesFlanked all aroundSoldiers of attritionForward their groundGRegime prophetic ageOld in its timeFlowing veins run on throughDeep in the RhineCenter of the webAll battles scoredWhat is our war crimes(Era forever more...war)Propaganda war ensembleBurial to beBones shining in the nightIn blood laced miseryCampaign of eliminationTwisted psychologyWhen victory is to surviveAnd death is defeatSport the war, war supportThe sport is total warWhen victory's a massacreWhen victory is survivalWhen this end is a slaughterThe final swing is not a drillIt's how many people I can kill"sweet dreams kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cintron Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 Look whether or not his body is buried in a Catholic cemetary is a moot point. He's dead and God has already made a decision on where to send his ass. So any of this ceremonial fluff is just bullshit to make a crooked story seem more round.I'm roman catholic and i'm proud. But i definitely don't think an asshole like that ought to be sharing the same kind of grave as my father. that's an insult to everyone else who shares the faith and it detracts from the character of other Catholics to allow someone like that to be such an important issue. Death isn't a celebrity event.He's gone and whatever happens to his body i could care less about. The church can allow or deny whatever the hell it wants with the corpse. hell it's JUST a corpse. I'ts not like burying it in a catholic cemetary is going to get him into heaven all by itself.The Man (or woman) above has already made their decision on what's happenin' to lil Johnny boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10Spectrums Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 Originally posted by joeg ugh, where do we find these clowns...Let me clarify for you, chief... before you start running your mouth at people...1) It was a joke referencing hoke's post about the ridiculous inconsistancy of the catholic church. 2) It had nothing to do with anyone accepting anything... IMO the catholic church has been reduced from a centerpiece of society to a shell for financial gain/wrongdoing/and politcal maneuvering...3) I have yet to make a statement on whether he should or shouldn't be burried in a church, I was merely adding a touch of satire to the church's thought process.in short... before you start throwing comments like "good thinking" around... understand what you're commenting on and put on your asbestos suit... Thanks. ***Listen, if you were joking I apologize. I agree with some of what you say. I happen to believe, sadly that organized religion is incredibly corrupt - even though I am Catholic.**I think the values of the church still mean something despite the sick - and I mean this literally - priests who abuse helpless children. And I guess I've been hearing this argument alot - the one I thought you were making - the idea that the actions of these priests somehow means the church should throw it all away and honor a murderer who's sole purpose in life was rob and drain others of everything they have for his own gain. To me that's a higher hypocrisy. *And I guess Im tired of hearing such a comparison that contains no logic whatsoever. But, apparently, this wasn't your point.* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeg Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 Originally posted by misticminister ***Listen, if you were joking I apologize. I agree with some of what you say. I happen to believe, sadly that organized religion is incredibly corrupt - even though I am Catholic.**I think the values of the church still mean something despite the sick - and I mean this literally - priests who abuse helpless children. And I guess I've been hearing this argument alot - the one I thought you were making - the idea that the actions of these priests somehow means the church should throw it all away and honor a murderer who's sole purpose in life was rob and drain others of everything they have for his own gain. To me that's a higher hypocrisy. *And I guess Im tired of hearing such a comparison that contains no logic whatsoever. But, apparently, this wasn't your point.* Yeah, no big deal... its been a rough week... sorry If I went for the throat on that... I see where you're coming from, and no, that wasn't my point at all.peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synderella420 Posted June 14 Author Report Share Posted June 14 Originally posted by roninmess There is no god. Stop this religious talk. ummm...thats your point of view not mine....... I believe there is a God....and I also can talk about any religious point of view that I want to...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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