bigpoppanils Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 The nightclub merry-go-round never stops. Poor Plant Bar got nabbed for cabaret violations a couple weeks ago, leaving dedicated followers of Dan Selzer's Monday-night Transmissions party all dressed up with no place to go. Plant's been padlocked since Friday, March 7, and had a hearing in court on Thursday, March 13. The venue was fined and allowed to reopen as long as it barred dancing. Co-owner Dominique said one of the stipulations was that he would not be allowed to send e-mails or make flyers promoting events at the venue. As a result, he said that Plant would be DJ-free by April, and would likely resemble a smaller version of Max Fish—replete with pool table and jukebox. "The saga of dancing as a crime in New York City continues, and now Plant Bar is being punished for allegedly having dancing in its facility," said the venue's lawyer, Norman Siegel, the former head of the New York Civil Liberties Union. "This makes absolutely no sense. The struggle to change the cabaret no-dancing laws must continue." taken from the viilage voice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayp Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 As some of you may be aware Plant Bar was padlocked lastweek by the Board of Consumer Affairs for unlicensed cabaretactivity (dancing).I have managed to work out a deal with consumer affairs allowingPlant Bar to re-open (tonight). The unfortunate reality isthis:1) No Dancing (ever)2) No DJs after 1 month (so I guess April 14) Marcus &Dominique, as owners, are allowed to DJ.3) No promotion of any kind, no emails, flyers, listingsetc..4) No appeal. We were in the process of an appeal that wewere hoping would possibly enable us to have this ridiculouslaw (watch Footloose) changed. We cannot continue thisappeal. My attorney, Norman Siegel, will continue tochampion this cause and we at Plant Music hope to be a partof the cause in some way.I feel at this point I should quote some great leader ofdemocracy and freedom but what is the fucking point?PLANT BAR WILL BE OPEN TONITE FRIDAY MARCH 14 w/ DJs but nodancing. We are not allowed to tell you who is DJing but Ican say we have some dope DJs from Dublin on Saturday tocelebrate St. Patrick's Day weekend. Please do not dance asit will mean will be shut forever.Thanks for all the support, Dominique & Marcus aka Plant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeg Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 you gotta be fucking kidding me... that place was so fucking chill...cabaret laws? what a fucking joke... talk about violation of rights... jesus...this is what i mean about the smoking ban... 2 years from now they'll start closing down bars because they found 3 people smoking... you know? can't give them any fucking power.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmtgod Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 Do you guys know what the Caberet Laws say? from my minimal research on the law, this is what i found (an obsurdly vague law which can be used as an excuse shut down any bar they want):( i may be paraphrasing slightly but. . .)Anything which can be interpreted as a "rhythmic movement to music" is a violation of the caberet laws. That means technically Sitting at a bar boppin your head is a violation. That means a musician tapping his foot on stage to stay in time with the rest of the band is moving rhythmically to the music and is hence ILLEGAL. IMHO, this law is so rediculously open just to use to target bars because Tapping your hands, air guitar, rocking back and forth while singing along, flashy bartending,and clapping could feasibly be missconstrued as "rhythmic movement to music". I'm sure other things could be misconstrued too . . .I know somewhere there is a movement to Legalize Dance in NYC, but i dont know or remember who is in charge of that. If anyone know about it please fill me in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitty19 Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 one my favorite bars... basically, if you have more than 3 people shaking their ass, it is considered a violation of this cabaret law. there is even an undercover task force that roams the city to bust bars with more than 3 people dancing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gqraver Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 There was a good thread on this on Naughtybooth a few weeks back.http://www.naughtybooth.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=32874&highlight=Plantpeace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeg Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 Originally posted by kitty19 one my favorite bars... basically, if you have more than 3 people shaking their ass, it is considered a violation of this cabaret law. there is even an undercover task force that roams the city to bust bars with more than 3 people dancing. HAHAHAHA omg, our tax payer dollars actually support this kind of garbage???? jesus christ...hey, this just in... apparently if you blink more than 5 times per minute, the venue can be shut down... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaydup Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 Time to call you know who... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgym Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 Damn, this really sucks Someone's gotta do something about this. A bar/club without dancing is like a hamburger without the meat. :mad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmtgod Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 Originally posted by gmccookny Damn, this really sucks Someone's gotta do something about this. A bar/club without dancing is like a hamburger without the meat. MEAT!!!!! I LOVE MEAT!!! I WANT A HAMBURGER NOW!!Does someone want to make me a hamburger? I'm hungry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bigpoppanils Posted March 21 Author Report Share Posted March 21 Originally posted by joeg HAHAHAHA omg, our tax payer dollars actually support this kind of garbage???? jesus christ...hey, this just in... apparently if you blink more than 5 times per minute, the venue can be shut down... other nightlcubs in this city support the cabaret laws....the owner of Lotus has been a very vocal supporter of themand in case anyone was considering a legal challenge....the supreme court has already ruled that dancing is not a form of speech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trancerxn112 Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 Originally posted by bigpoppanils other nightlcubs in this city support the cabaret laws....the owner of Lotus has been a very vocal supporter of themand in case anyone was considering a legal challenge....the supreme court has already ruled that dancing is not a form of speech tell that to the native americans and some african tribes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeg Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 Originally posted by bigpoppanils other nightlcubs in this city support the cabaret laws....the owner of Lotus has been a very vocal supporter of themand in case anyone was considering a legal challenge....the supreme court has already ruled that dancing is not a form of speech its not expression?! and what does lotus have to gain by having cabaret laws in place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breakbeatz2 Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 just goes to show you how messed up the nyc system is.i'm beggining to think we live under a facist regime. just came back from tokyo, and wow are things different over there. cops are unbelievably nice, you can smoke anywhere, and theres none of these stupid cabaret laws. NYC has really fallen behind the rest of the world..... its pretty sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeg Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 Originally posted by breakbeatz2 just goes to show you how messed up the nyc system is.i'm beggining to think we live under a facist regime. just came back from tokyo, and wow are things different over there. cops are unbelievably nice, you can smoke anywhere, and theres none of these stupid cabaret laws. NYC has really fallen behind the rest of the world..... its pretty sad well, i'm surprised the supreme court didn't overturn it... (which isn't just nyc, its the US as a whole)but i don't want to live in any country without a bill of rights and democracy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpoppanils Posted March 21 Author Report Share Posted March 21 Originally posted by joeg its not expression?! and what does lotus have to gain by having cabaret laws in place? the owner of Lotus argues that so many clubs worked their asses off to secure these liscences....repealing the law would mkae their efforts all for naught...and allow more competition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeg Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 Originally posted by bigpoppanils the owner of Lotus argues that so many clubs worked their asses off to secure these liscences....repealing the law would mkae their efforts all for naught...and allow more competition ugh... many slave owners worked their asses off to get slaves... so letting them go would make their efforts all for naught... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breakbeatz2 Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 um.... whatever is in thepast is a sunk cost, and has absolutely no relevance on the future. competition would be a good thing, and something that NYC nightlife is in desperate need of. on another note though, i was thinkingNYC is losing all of its big venues. Twilo, Limelight, Tunnel, SF, Exit, and even though some of these reopened, they just arent the same as before. nightlife now is too focused on small lounges, and that kinds of takes away the unity aspect that used to be so big. I remember a few years ago you used to see PLUR all over message boards. its a dead concept now, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmtgod Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 Originally posted by breakbeatz2 I remember a few years ago you used to see PLUR all over message boards. its a dead concept now, unfortunately. PLUR irks me. . . .Reminds me too much of Candy kids. . .the modern equiv of Hippies (kinda) I'm glad its gone. Besides, you'd see it on the Boards, but in the clubs it was all the Look at my new BangBang clothes and how hot i am, i dont think my shirt is tight enough to show my muscles, and i'm dancing, but not to the music, i'm really just trying to look sexy, etc, which i guess is ok if you're into that shit, but i never really was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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