D.T. NOT spinning @ SPACE for WMC....

[mursa]

Originally posted by philippio

Yes, let people listen to what they want but about 90% of this board bashes hip-hop and r&b. Isn't that a bit ironic???

What if someone posted on here that they like to go to a club and would be relieved to dance to classical music. What would you tell them?

I would say for that person to find a establishment that plays classical music and simply enjoy themselves .

It just seems to me that some people on this board are just always trying to "force feed" their musical "knowledge" onto others and at the same time be-littling the musical preferences of others .

Arguing about musical tastes is like arguing about which religion is better .................gets you nowhere .

[southof5th]

Originally posted by philippio

For someone who used to drive from Middletown, CT to Hubert St. religiously every friday, DT was not only a salvation from the boredom of a state like Connecticut, but his sets were just always really danceable and just plain old fun!!! Vinyl was, and in my mind, will always be the best nightclub in the world because it followed the simplest formula: a black room with a great sound system and a formidable light arrangement that centered on dancing and nothing else. If you weren't dancing, you were in the back room because, for the most part, there was no place to sit in the main room. There was no hype, no dress code, the place didn't even sell alcohol! Granted, I was one of the few who went in there sober and stayed clean all night, I can honestly say, those fridays are still unparalleled by anything here in Miami. The huge bowls of fresh fruit and champagne at Arc's NYE parties, DT's B-Day party with the Elvis Presley impersonator and the huge birthday cake, the filming of Maestro, baby-Hewie in his wifebeater and underwear tangled in his glowsticks, the guy who always came dressed as a wizard and even DT singling out some dumbfuck who lit a cigarette in the middle of the dancefloor when the smoking ban was introduced. It was what clubbing was about. NYC nightlife has a very long history and has matured very well to the point where New Yorkers go out every night of the week. Miami, on the other hand, will have to wait eons to catch up to where NYC is now. But I won't get into that here. My point is that each of those fridays was different. It was an experience on its own but you felt like you were a part of something. Just like Body & Soul. I never felt that when I went out in Miami before I moved to CT and I definitely do not feel it now.

bullshit...Vinyl is only good because it's the only afterhours and unlike most places in NY they play banging music.

no smoking, no drinking, ravish crowd (especially now at arc) = big fat C-

space blows Arc out of the water, bro

[georgeacasta2]

Originally posted by philippio

CHAPTER 1

Well, the reason why people in Miami don't understand club culture is partly due to the club-owners and promoters who are constantly looking for ways to outperform each other. This competition only serves as a downfall and in the end it contributes very destructively to a scene (especially one that is in desperate need of resurrection). Miami's formula of the uber-VIP and all that bottle service crap and extra special treatment for the privileged few that pull up to the venue in their Azure or their lifestyle of L.A. Granted, a club-owner is out to make money but all these perks cater to a crowd that composes only about 1 or 2% of Miami's clubbing populace. The rest of us just want to have fun.

CHAPTER 2

And my idea of fun is not going to a club like Space, being treated like I'm one amongst a herd of 3,000 cattle (i.e. the way American Airlines treats its passengers) crammed on a dancefloor with no space to dance. So cut the special guestlist crap. Anyone who goes to enjoy music and be with friends will not object to paying a cover. I certainly don't. If everyone paid cover, the cover wouldn't be so high. The second severe limitation to Miami's clubscene is this total fixation with "progressive house."

CHAPTER 3

Progressive house was progressing 5 years ago when Miami was stuck on trance. Both of those are now stagnant but since Miami Murcielago or their Modena should be left to the materialistic is in a permanent lag behind the rest of the world, and its population is under the impression that anything euro-blah is cool, the city is still fascinated with both prog and trance. This narrow mindedness completely ignores techno and house which originated in your very own country and factually have been around much longer than trance or any other subgenre of electronica. But then you have dj's like Jon Cowan and Edgar V. and George Acosta and a whole bunch of others who think that they are doing Miami a favor by exposing its population to this total crap that belongs in dumpsters in some alley behind Space.

CHAPTER 4

Meanwhile, a whole bunch of real talent (still undiscovered for the most part) lies below the surface and many of us who have heard CP dj's spin have accepted this and readily admit it. MAybe house and techno aren't gonna grow on everyone because they aren't the "trendy" thing to play but if you rely on those 2 subgenres, you're guarranteed never to go out of style! I'm not pulling this crap out of my ass. Look at successful dj's who have been playing house and techno since its inception. MAW, Marques Wyatt, Mark Grant, Mark Farina, Tedd Patterson, Tony Humphries, Francois K., John Acquaviva, Carl Cox, Sven Vath, etc. They are still the stalwarts of the scene.

CHAPTER 5

Most dj's come and go faster than you can say velveeta but true talent sticks. That's a fact, it's not arguable. Until Miami realizes what is truly plagueing its clubscene, it will continue to trod in a puddle of corrupt club management, musically uninformed clubbers and a barrage of "see-and-be-seen" trendies who go out cause it's cool to show up at Opium or at Tantra or wherever cause tonight, it's the in-

place to go!

THE END

[southof5th]

Originally posted by pod

Miami is VIP oriented, for sure...and I'll totally agree that most clubs put an emphasis on a service which befits a small slice of the populace...I've always felt that some clubs could totally ditch their VIP sections, and actually benefit from it.

As for the cover thing, well, there's ways around any loss at the door, most people I know who get in for free tend to make it up in drinks anyway...or the club charges conversely higher...either way, you're paying, ya know?

very true about the VIP, however it has gotten ALOT better...remember N? The VIP section filled up 3/4 of the club was packed and only a handful in the rest of the club

crobar VIP used to be the only reason to go...the rest sucked

320 - all VIP

that was all in 2001, but these days the music has gotten soooo much better (unlike NY, Miami has ditched the filtered disco house era), and the clubs are mainly non-VIP oriented

[pod]

God I remember both those places...I often wondered why they even had a dancefloor...Mynt and BED took it to the next level...full VIP club, which is fine by me, since it gives those people a place to go, and they don't intrude on the music-oriented clubs.

[southof5th]

Originally posted by philippio

Well, the reason why people in Miami don't understand club culture is partly due to the club-owners and promoters who are constantly looking for ways to outperform each other. This competition only serves as a downfall and in the end it contributes very destructively to a scene (especially one that is in desperate need of resurrection). Miami's formula of the uber-VIP and all that bottle service crap and extra special treatment for the privileged few that pull up to the venue in their Azure or their lifestyle of L.A. Granted, a club-owner is out to make money but all these perks cater to a crowd that composes only about 1 or 2% of Miami's clubbing populace. The rest of us just want to have fun. And my idea of fun is not going to a club like Space, being treated like I'm one amongst a herd of 3,000 cattle (i.e. the way American Airlines treats its passengers) crammed on a dancefloor with no space to dance. So cut the special guestlist crap. Anyone who goes to enjoy music and be with friends will not object to paying a cover. I certainly don't. If everyone paid cover, the cover wouldn't be so high. The second severe limitation to Miami's clubscene is this total fixation with "progressive house." Progressive house was progressing 5 years ago when Miami was stuck on trance. Both of those are now stagnant but since Miami Murcielago or their Modena should be left to the materialistic is in a permanent lag behind the rest of the world, and its population is under the impression that anything euro-blah is cool, the city is still fascinated with both prog and trance. This narrow mindedness completely ignores techno and house which originated in your very own country and factually have been around much longer than trance or any other subgenre of electronica. But then you have dj's like Jon Cowan and Edgar V. and George Acosta and a whole bunch of others who think that they are doing Miami a favor by exposing its population to this total crap that belongs in dumpsters in some alley behind Space. Meanwhile, a whole bunch of real talent (still undiscovered for the most part) lies below the surface and many of us who have heard CP dj's spin have accepted this and readily admit it. MAybe house and techno aren't gonna grow on everyone because they aren't the "trendy" thing to play but if you rely on those 2 subgenres, you're guarranteed never to go out of style! I'm not pulling this crap out of my ass. Look at successful dj's who have been playing house and techno since its inception. MAW, Marques Wyatt, Mark Grant, Mark Farina, Tedd Patterson, Tony Humphries, Francois K., John Acquaviva, Carl Cox, Sven Vath, etc. They are still the stalwarts of the scene. Most dj's come and go faster than you can say velveeta but true talent sticks. That's a fact, it's not arguable. Until Miami realizes what is truly plagueing its clubscene, it will continue to trod in a puddle of corrupt club management, musically uninformed clubbers and a barrage of "see-and-be-seen" trendies who go out cause it's cool to show up at Opium or at Tantra or wherever cause tonight, it's the in-place to go!

you're wrong...where do you want me to begin...

1. oh ok...progressive house and trance is the flavor of the WORLD except for NY (where 1991 filtered disco house reighs) or Detroit (sound hasn't changed since 1985). Conclusion: Miami knows what is up

2. euro-blah IS cool

3. American Airlines is great...especially if your platinum

4. Just because a DJ is unknown doesn't mean they're the greatest thing since sliced bread

5. techno and house (deep house) is BOOOORING. If it wasn't non-purists would enjoy it too.

6. MAW, Marques Wyatt, Mark Grant, Mark Farina, Tedd Patterson, Tony Humphries, Francois K., John Acquaviva, Carl Cox, Sven Vath, etc are NOT the stalwarts of the scene. Maybe for YOU. You don't make the scene.

7. People show up at Crobar or Opium or Space because others do to and it makes it a hell of a good party when everyone shows up! I go out to party with people around me, and unlike other cities in Miami you get banging music every which way you turn.

[ecpolo521]

Originally posted by mursa

I would say for that person to find a establishment that plays classical music and simply enjoy themselves .

It just seems to me that some people on this board are just always trying to "force feed" their musical "knowledge" onto others and at the same time be-littling the musical preferences of others .

Arguing about musical tastes is like arguing about which religion is better .................gets you nowhere .

Good point mursa

[philippio]

Originally posted by southof5th

you're wrong...where do you want me to begin...

1. oh ok...progressive house and trance is the flavor of the WORLD except for NY (where 1991 filtered disco house reighs) or Detroit (sound hasn't changed since 1985). Conclusion: Miami knows what is up

2. euro-blah IS cool

3. American Airlines is great...especially if your platinum

4. Just because a DJ is unknown doesn't mean they're the greatest thing since sliced bread

5. techno and house (deep house) is BOOOORING. If it wasn't non-purists would enjoy it too.

6. MAW, Marques Wyatt, Mark Grant, Mark Farina, Tedd Patterson, Tony Humphries, Francois K., John Acquaviva, Carl Cox, Sven Vath, etc are NOT the stalwarts of the scene. Maybe for YOU. You don't make the scene.

7. People show up at Crobar or Opium or Space because others do to and it makes it a hell of a good party when everyone shows up! I go out to party with people around me, and unlike other cities in Miami you get banging music every which way you turn.

Your attack shows how ignorant YOU are about what's going on around you.

1. Do you think Pacha, DC10 in Ibiza, Cavo Paradiso in Mykonos, Fabric in London and Shelter in NYC and Cielo and Zouk in Singapore still play trance? Wake up my friend.

2. You think it's cool that everything that comes from Europe has become so commercialized that you hear it a billion times a day in every store even fast food joints all over major cities? You voluntarily pay money to listen to music that you could hear for free in any London tube station? I'm from Europe! I go there every summer. I have an idea what's going on.

3. Try Emirates, Singapore Airlines, JAL, Royal Brunei, Royal Jordanian, Saudi Air, Cathay Pacific and then let's see what you have to say about AA!!! Fool!

4. I didn't say that unknown dj's are trhe greatest thing but if you took the time to go out and listen to what others are playing (and by others I mean lesser known dj's at smaller venues where the focus IS music), you too would realize that they are the ones responsible for the future of Miami's scene.

5. What do you consider deep house and what do you consider techno? It sounds like what you're saying is that you'd prefer to listen to Darude's Sandstorm and garbage like Castles in the Sky which are far better produced and sound much more interesting than say DT's Turn Me On or Blue 6's Music and Wine or Dubtribe's Do It Now or any Hakan Lidbo track? I'm not a huge techno fan but I give credit where it's due.

6. The dj's I mentioned are stalwarts in that they pioneered the scene and they continue to bring quality productions to the forefront. Not just them but wait 10 years from now. Who do you think people will remember? Parks and Wilson and dj Icey or Frankie Knuckles and Carl Cox? If we were to rely on producers like Andre Tannenberger or Ferry Corsten or Paul Oakenfuck or Ian van Dahl or Matt Darey, everyone would be living in a fucking zombie nation right now!

[mursa]

:laugh: im from Europe too bro ! ...we have something in common after-all .

Oh and by the way , sandstorm and castles in the sky is Carnaval music from where im from , don't call it trance .

[pod]

Originally posted by philippio

3. Try Emirates, Singapore Airlines, JAL, Royal Brunei, Royal Jordanian, Saudi Air, Cathay Pacific and then let's see what you have to say about AA!!! Fool!

Yeah, let's not and say we did. I'm not gonna funnel money to the terrorists' bankrollers...well, except for Cathay, JAL and Singapore...

AA isn't bad. Continental kicks ass.

True enough, the DJs you mentioned were the pioneers of the scene in some ways, but at the same time, just because a DJ gets big, doesn't automatically mean he sucks...

[philippio]

Total change of subject BTW...

I'm not saying you personally, but what do you think all those people that drive SUV's are doing? They are sponsoring US exploitation of OPEC countries. If you think about it, it's the same thing that Saudi or UAE nationals do when they fly on their flag carrier if, as you claim, those carriers funnel money to extremist groups. I don't believe they do because the money required to fund the carriers is usually only afforded by the royal families of each country. And the extremist groups' primary targets are the royal governments of the countries in which they operate.

Continental is really not that great either but better than the big 3. JetBlue is decent, Midwest Express is quite good except that they still retain a rather old fleet of DC9's. Northwest is awful and that's maybe why Continental is getting dragged down. United used to be ok until they nearly went bankrupt.

[philippio]

Total change of subject BTW...

I'm not saying you personally, but what do you think all those people that drive SUV's are doing? They are sponsoring US exploitation of OPEC countries. If you think about it, it's the same thing that Saudi or UAE nationals do when they fly on their flag carrier if, as you claim, those carriers funnel money to extremist groups. I don't believe they do because the money required to fund the carriers is usually only afforded by the royal families of each country. And the extremist groups' primary targets are the royal governments of the countries in which they operate.

Continental is really not that great either but better than the big 3. JetBlue is decent, Midwest Express is quite good except that they still retain a rather old fleet of DC9's. Northwest is awful and that's maybe why Continental is getting dragged down. United used to be ok until they nearly went bankrupt.

Regarding big name dj's, there are few that I still enjoy listening to. DT of course, Erick Morillo, Danny Rampling, Darren Emerson, Lee Burridge and Craig Richards, Terry Francis, Heller & Farley, Smokin' Jo and I can't think of any others.

[djoscarg]

Originally posted by philippio

Well, the reason why people in Miami don't understand club culture is partly due to the club-owners and promoters who are constantly looking for ways to outperform each other. This competition only serves as a downfall and in the end it contributes very destructively to a scene (especially one that is in desperate need of resurrection). Miami's formula of the uber-VIP and all that bottle service crap and extra special treatment for the privileged few that pull up to the venue in their Azure or their lifestyle of L.A. Granted, a club-owner is out to make money but all these perks cater to a crowd that composes only about 1 or 2% of Miami's clubbing populace. The rest of us just want to have fun. And my idea of fun is not going to a club like Space, being treated like I'm one amongst a herd of 3,000 cattle (i.e. the way American Airlines treats its passengers) crammed on a dancefloor with no space to dance. So cut the special guestlist crap. Anyone who goes to enjoy music and be with friends will not object to paying a cover. I certainly don't. If everyone paid cover, the cover wouldn't be so high. The second severe limitation to Miami's clubscene is this total fixation with "progressive house." Progressive house was progressing 5 years ago when Miami was stuck on trance. Both of those are now stagnant but since Miami Murcielago or their Modena should be left to the materialistic is in a permanent lag behind the rest of the world, and its population is under the impression that anything euro-blah is cool, the city is still fascinated with both prog and trance. This narrow mindedness completely ignores techno and house which originated in your very own country and factually have been around much longer than trance or any other subgenre of electronica. But then you have dj's like Jon Cowan and Edgar V. and George Acosta and a whole bunch of others who think that they are doing Miami a favor by exposing its population to this total crap that belongs in dumpsters in some alley behind Space. Meanwhile, a whole bunch of real talent (still undiscovered for the most part) lies below the surface and many of us who have heard CP dj's spin have accepted this and readily admit it. MAybe house and techno aren't gonna grow on everyone because they aren't the "trendy" thing to play but if you rely on those 2 subgenres, you're guarranteed never to go out of style! I'm not pulling this crap out of my ass. Look at successful dj's who have been playing house and techno since its inception. MAW, Marques Wyatt, Mark Grant, Mark Farina, Tedd Patterson, Tony Humphries, Francois K., John Acquaviva, Carl Cox, Sven Vath, etc. They are still the stalwarts of the scene. Most dj's come and go faster than you can say velveeta but true talent sticks. That's a fact, it's not arguable. Until Miami realizes what is truly plagueing its clubscene, it will continue to trod in a puddle of corrupt club management, musically uninformed clubbers and a barrage of "see-and-be-seen" trendies who go out cause it's cool to show up at Opium or at Tantra or wherever cause tonight, it's the in-place to go!

:blah:

[rcrespo]

all i have to say is last january (at the old space) .. was my first dt set and it was a fuckin great one .. wmc was fun b/c the music was good and i was with my friends .. showing up at 10am and the party just getting started is definitely one way to put it .. this year it will be the same just at a different location. good music with good people you can't beat that. dt is someone who really puts some serious efforts into his sets re-edits/remixes/lights/etc .. more than your average dj set. You should atleast see him once in your lifetime.

[sobe2003]

Originally posted by djoscarg

:blah:

Kind of like your new cd . . . HATER!

[philippio]

Originally posted by sobe2003

Kind of like your new cd . . . HATER!

Attn Oscar G:

I gotta give Sobe 2003 credit on that one. I listened to it at Grooveman and I can't say I was impressed. The old Space House Sessions cd1 that you did is much much better. I still have it on rotation and still enjoy it. And I love the mix of Hypnotized and Super California. Call me a purist but those were the good old days.