djxeno Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 Pat Robertson Warns Israel Against Allowing Palestinian StateHerzliya, Israel (CNSNews.com) - American conservative Christian leader Dr. Pat Robertson warned Israel on Wednesday against agreeing to political initiatives with the Palestinians and especially allowing the establishment of a Palestinian state. Surrendering their ancient Biblical claim to the land, he said, would be tantamount to committing suicide.Robertson's advice clashed with the goals of President Bush, who is backing the road map peace plan that envisions the establishment of a Palestinian state by the end of 2005.Robertson, who is founder of the Christian Broadcasting Network in Virginia Beach, Va., and host of the internationally syndicated 700 Club, is part of the large conservative Christian movement, which ardently supported Bush during the last presidential election.But since then, Bush became the first U.S. president to ever formally call for the establishment of a Palestinian state in the Gaza Strip and West Bank, which millions of Christians as well as Jews believe God promised to the Jewish people as an eternal inheritance in the land of Judea and Samaria.Robertson warned Israel against agreeing to the establishment of a Palestinian state."Please don't commit national suicide," Robertson told Israelis at the Herzliya Conference on the Balance of Israel's National Security on Wednesday."I hardly find it necessary to remind this audience of the stated objectives of Yasser Arafat, the PLO, Hamas, Hizballah, and the Islamic Jihad. Their goal is not peace, but the final destruction of the State of Israel," Robertson said in a speech that was punctuated by applause from some of the conference participants."At no time do they, or their allies in the Muslim world, acknowledge the sovereignty of Israel over even one square inch of territory in the Middle East," Robertson said."If a Palestinian State is created in the heart of Israel with sovereign power to deploy troops, import modern weapons - even weapons of mass destruction - and operate with full secrecy and diplomatic immunity, the ability of the State of Israel to defend itself will be fatally compromised," Robertson said.Robertson urged Israel to say "no" to the rest of the world if it feels that its national interests are being compromised.Convulsed By Religious StruggleAccording to Robertson, Israel's current struggle as well as the struggle in the world is not over land or culture or money but is rather a struggle between Islam and the Judeo-Christian world."Make no mistake about it - the entire world is being convulsed by a religious struggle. The fight is not about money or territory; it is not about poverty versus wealth; it is not about ancient customs versus modernity," the Christian leader said."No - the struggle is whether...Allah, is Supreme, or whether the Judeo-Christian Jehovah God of the Bible is Supreme," Robertson said.Bush and other world leaders have been careful not to characterize the current worldwide struggle against tyrants and terrorism as a religious or Western war against Islam. But Robertson said that giving up Biblical land for Israel would be giving Islam the victory over the God of the Bible."If God's chosen people turn over to Allah control of their most sacred sites - if they surrender to Muslim vandals the tombs of Rachel, of Joseph, of the Patriarchs, of the ancient prophets - if they believe their claim to the Holy Land comes only from Lord Balfour of England and the ever fickle United Nations rather than the promises of Almighty God - then in that event, Islam will have won the battle," Robertson said.(Lord Balfour wrote the Balfour declaration in 1917, which promised the Jewish people a homeland in what was then called Palestine.)Robertson charged that political initiatives that promise peace will only "guarantee unending struggle and ultimate failure." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattbateman Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 that guy is a nut job if i ever saw one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djxeno Posted December 18 Author Report Share Posted December 18 Originally posted by pattbateman that guy is a nut job if i ever saw one. i am glad we agree on something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattbateman Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 im not down with any kind of religious extremist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksimons Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 that extend to bush?"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them." --Ha'aretz, 06.25.03The Washington Post subsequently reported that a call to the White House for clarification went unanswered. A number of reports* cautioned that Bush's exact words may have been lost in translation, but no alternate translation or attendee has contradicted the meaning expressed in the Ha'aretz translation. Bush's belief that he is acting as the hand of God has been well documented this past year, and his comments to Abbas wouldn't be the first time Bush has used his religious beliefs to score political points. Anyone who is capable of calling an empty trailer found in Iraq a Weapon of Mass Destruction is perfectly capable of telling a religious Arab that God told him to invade Iraq. --Politex, 07.01.03http://bushwatch.org/evangelist.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattbateman Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 i dont agree with conspiracy theorists eithergimme a fuckin break dude how long were you waiting to post that. why dont you worry about reforming your own country remember you did you go to war as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpyrate Posted December 19 Report Share Posted December 19 ok ... that's one good thing bush is doing ... calling for the creation of a palestinian state ... thumbs up to bush for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted December 19 Report Share Posted December 19 Originally posted by marksimons that extend to bush?"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them." --Ha'aretz, 06.25.03The Washington Post subsequently reported that a call to the White House for clarification went unanswered. A number of reports* cautioned that Bush's exact words may have been lost in translation, but no alternate translation or attendee has contradicted the meaning expressed in the Ha'aretz translation. Bush's belief that he is acting as the hand of God has been well documented this past year, and his comments to Abbas wouldn't be the first time Bush has used his religious beliefs to score political points. Anyone who is capable of calling an empty trailer found in Iraq a Weapon of Mass Destruction is perfectly capable of telling a religious Arab that God told him to invade Iraq. --Politex, 07.01.03http://bushwatch.org/evangelist.htm Excellent Post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normalnoises Posted December 19 Report Share Posted December 19 Originally posted by pattbateman i dont agree with conspiracy theorists eithergimme a fuckin break dude how long were you waiting to post that. why dont you worry about reforming your own country remember you did you go to war as well Anything that is the truth is a conspiracy theory to you isn't it?So, how is this a conspiracy theory? Got a constructive intelligent reply instead of warmed over bile? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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