jamiroguy1 Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 Did Bush drop out of the National Guard to avoid drug testing?The young pilot walked away from his commitment in 1972 -- the same year the U.S. military implemented random drug tests. By Eric BoehlertFeb. 6, 2004 One of the persistent riddles surrounding President Bush's disappearance from the Texas Air National Guard during 1972 and 1973 is the question of why he walked away. Bush was a fully trained pilot who had undergone a rigorous two-year flight training program that cost the Pentagon nearly $1 million. And he has told reporters how important it was to follow in his father's footsteps and to become a fighter pilot. Yet in April 1972, George W. Bush climbed out of a military cockpit for the last time. He still had two more years to serve, but Bush's own discharge papers suggest he never served for the Guard again.It is, of course, possible that Bush had simply had enough of the Guard and, with the war in Vietnam beginning to wind down, decided that he would rather do other things. In 1972 he asked to be transferred to an Alabama unit so he could work on a Senate campaign for a friend of his father's. But some skeptics have speculated that Bush might have dropped out to avoid being tested for drugs. Which is where Air Force Regulation 160-23, also known as the Medical Service Drug Abuse Testing Program, comes in. The new drug-testing effort was officially launched by the Air Force on April 21, 1972, following a Jan. 11, 1972, directive issued by the Department of Defense.Full Articlehttp://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/02/06/drugs/index_np.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattbateman Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 dud i dont care what you say you gotta be smart as fuck to be a fighter pilotand if he was such a "coke" head the shit only stays in your shit for 72 hours at most yyou fuck you should know this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr mahs Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 what next? he was visited and abducted by aliens ?You liberals are reaching here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattbateman Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 the thing that bothers me is that dumb people that vote in this country read shit like that and think it is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted February 11 Author Report Share Posted February 11 Originally posted by pattbateman dud i dont care what you say you gotta be smart as fuck to be a fighter pilotand if he was such a "coke" head the shit only stays in your shit for 72 hours at most yyou fuck you should know this Maybe it was heroin. How long does heroin stay in your system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmatas2277 Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 i just dont understand why so much time and effort is being put into proving if he was or wasnt in the military...totally useless info., if u ask me.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted February 11 Author Report Share Posted February 11 Originally posted by mrmatas2277 i just dont understand why so much time and effort is being put into proving if he was or wasnt in the military...totally useless info., if u ask me.. Two words. Election year.Why is effort being put into proving if he was or wasn't in the militarty? Because so much time and effort is being put into shooting down Kerry's war record the democrats are giving bush the same courtesy.It's only useless info if you're not interested in comparing the two's record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr mahs Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 Originally posted by jamiroguy1 Two words. Election year.Why is effort being put into proving if he was or wasn't in the militarty? Because so much time and effort is being put into shooting down Kerry's war record the democrats are giving bush the same courtesy.It's only useless info if you're not interested in comparing the two's record. HUH? What planet are you from guy? The DEMS are scraping the bottom of the barrell for this shit. The Republicans are licking their chops waiting for the precise time to unleash-Kerry's portrayal of ALL Vietnam vets as rapists murderous thugs.. -His horrific voting record in the Senate with that othr liberal drunk Kennedy.-His flip flopping on the issues such as the Iraqi threat and push for war, that he ironically flipped when Dean was gaining momentum riding the anti-war wave. The guy is a Liberal joke and Carl Rove is going to pick him apart!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted February 11 Author Report Share Posted February 11 Originally posted by mr mahs HUH? What planet are you from guy? The DEMS are scraping the bottom of the barrell for this shit. The Republicans are licking their chops waiting for the precise time to unleash-Kerry's portrayal of ALL Vietnam vets as rapists murderous thugs.. -His horrific voting record in the Senate with that othr liberal drunk Kennedy.-His flip flopping on the issues such as the Iraqi threat and push for war, that he ironically flipped when Dean was gaining momentum riding the anti-war wave. The guy is a Liberal joke and Carl Rove is going to pick him apart!!!! Calm down, douche bag. I'm no Kerry supporter so preach that "he did it first", pre 2004-election pass-the-buck history revisionist chant somewhere else.But to the defense of Kerry, since all you bushies are so quick to jump on Kerry regarding statements made 10 months after he returned home, this was in the context of a CIA lead quagmire with no clear mission but to terrorise the vietnamese/loasian/camboadian people. Anyone with half a brain in the 70's could see that the vietnam war was a continued miserable failure and a veteran that actually served his country and didn't desert his post as Bush has would have that right to criticize the CIA for it's deplorable actions. Millions died for nothing. Which side is scraping the bottom here?You saying Kerry's portrayal of ALL viatnam vet's were rapist couldn't be further for the truth and you disrepect ever veteran that has served and died in that war by saying so. Shame on you.Karl Rove is going to pick him apart on his record? Bush and Cheney are destroying themselves for the dems. How many con-current scandels can one administration have before leaks start to happen or facts begin to surface. Bush is in touble this election and it's a pitty at what lengths Rove will go to attempt to win an election by disgracing everyone that worn a uniform in our gov't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattbateman Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 kerry did say that and he said he new the whole chain of command new it, and that it was comin to just let it slidebut he would not give out any names of people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted February 11 Author Report Share Posted February 11 Originally posted by pattbateman kerry did say that and he said he new the whole chain of command new it, and that it was comin to just let it slidebut he would not give out any names of people I've read all his statements in fact, I'll post them. Kerry, represents the Vietnam Veteran Against War which has been accused of being communist supporter for it's outspoken stance against the vietnam war. Get your facts straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattbateman Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 i watched the statements to the senate when he said all of those things were happening and no one was stopping themwhich there has been no other proof that that has ever happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr mahs Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 Originally posted by jamiroguy1 Calm down, douche bag. I'm no Kerry supporter so preach that "he did it first", pre 2004-election pass-the-buck history revisionist chant somewhere else.But to the defense of Kerry, since all you bushies are so quick to jump on Kerry regarding statements made 10 months after he returned home, this was in the context of a CIA lead quagmire with no clear mission but to terrorise the vietnamese/loasian/camboadian people. Anyone with half a brain in the 70's could see that the vietnam war was a continued miserable failure and a veteran that actually served his country and didn't desert his post as Bush has would have that right to criticize the CIA for it's deplorable actions. Millions died for nothing. Which side is scraping the bottom here?You saying Kerry's portrayal of ALL viatnam vet's were rapist couldn't be further for the truth and you disrepect ever veteran that has served and died in that war by saying so. Shame on you.Karl Rove is going to pick him apart on his record? Bush and Cheney are destroying themselves for the dems. How many con-current scandels can one administration have before leaks start to happen or facts begin to surface. Bush is in touble this election and it's a pitty at what lengths Rove will go to attempt to win an election by disgracing everyone that worn a uniform in our gov't. Settledown hippie boy your gonna blow a hemp gasket...Kerry was parading around town with then Mrs Hanoi... JANE FONDA portraying the people fighting in Nam as babby killers..You get your facts straight DOUCHEBAGKerry hooked up with an organization called Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW). Two events cooked up by this group went a long way toward cementing in the public mind the image of Vietnam as one big atrocity. The first of these was the January 31, 1971, "Winter Soldier Investigation," organized by "the usual suspects" among antiwar celebrities such as Jane Fonda, Dick Gregory, and Kennedy-assassination conspiracy theorist, Mark Lane. Here, individuals purporting to be Vietnam veterans told horrible stories of atrocities in Vietnam: using prisoners for target practice, throwing them out of helicopters, cutting off the ears of dead Viet Cong soldiers, burning villages, and gang-raping women as a matter of course. In fact, the entire Winter Soldiers Investigation was a lie. It was inspired by Mark Lane's 1970 book entitled Conversations with Americans, which claimed to recount atrocity stories by Vietnam veterans. This book was panned by James Reston Jr. and Neil Sheehan, not exactly known as supporters of the Vietnam War. Sheehan in particular demonstrated that many of Lane's "eye witnesses" either had never served in Vietnam or had not done so in the capacity they claimed. Nonetheless, Sen. Mark Hatfield inserted the transcript of the Winter Soldier testimonies into the Congressional Record and asked the Commandant of the Marine Corps to investigate the war crimes allegedly committed by Marines. When the Naval Investigative Service attempted to interview the so-called witnesses, most refused to cooperate, even after assurances that they would not be questioned about atrocities they may have committed personally. Those that did cooperate never provided details of actual crimes to investigators. The NIS also discovered that some of the most grisly testimony was given by fake witnesses who had appropriated the names of real Vietnam veterans. Guenter Lewy tells the entire study in his book, America in Vietnam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr mahs Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 To get back to the original post, eat up The White House obtained the dental record, along with other medical records it did not release, from the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver, McClellan said. The record was accompanied by a statement from Dr. Richard J. Tubb, the president's current physician, who stated that he read Bush's records, which covered a period from 1968 to 1973, and concurred with the doctors' assertion that Bush was "fit" for service. "The records reflect no disqualifying medical information," Tubb said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr mahs Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 To get back to the original post, eat up The White House obtained the dental record, along with other medical records it did not release, from the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver, McClellan said. The record was accompanied by a statement from Dr. Richard J. Tubb, the president's current physician, who stated that he read Bush's records, which covered a period from 1968 to 1973, and concurred with the doctors' assertion that Bush was "fit" for service. "The records reflect no disqualifying medical information," Tubb said. http://breakingnews.nypost.com/dynamic/stories/B/BUSH_MILITARY_RECORDS?SITE=NYNYP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr mahs Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 To get back to the original post, eat up The White House obtained the dental record, along with other medical records it did not release, from the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver, McClellan said. The record was accompanied by a statement from Dr. Richard J. Tubb, the president's current physician, who stated that he read Bush's records, which covered a period from 1968 to 1973, and concurred with the doctors' assertion that Bush was "fit" for service. "The records reflect no disqualifying medical information," Tubb said. http://breakingnews.nypost.com/dynamic/stories/B/BUSH_MILITARY_RECORDS?SITE=NYNYP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted February 12 Author Report Share Posted February 12 Why don't you quote other portions of that article? I wonder what records were purged because it might have been "embarassing toward the governor".The records, for example, show Bush was not paid for any service during a period of more than five months in 1972, from April 17 to Oct. 27. He was paid for two days in late October 1972, four days in mid-November 1972 and no days in December 1972.He then was paid for additional days in 1973.http://breakingnews.nypost.com/dynamic/stories/B/BUSH_MILITARY_RECORDS?SITE=NYNYP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr mahs Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 Originally posted by jamiroguy1 Why don't you quote other portions of that article? I wonder what records were purged because it might have been "embarassing toward the governor".The records, for example, show Bush was not paid for any service during a period of more than five months in 1972, from April 17 to Oct. 27. He was paid for two days in late October 1972, four days in mid-November 1972 and no days in December 1972.He then was paid for additional days in 1973.http://breakingnews.nypost.com/dynamic/stories/B/BUSH_MILITARY_RECORDS?SITE=NYNYP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT This has already been explained in the 2000 election as well as recently with the documnets put out by the white house...You guys are reaching here bud.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted February 12 Author Report Share Posted February 12 Originally posted by mr mahs This has already been explained in the 2000 election as well as recently with the documnets put out by the white house...You guys are reaching here bud.. Aparently it hasn't been explained why military documents have been destroyed, purged, or lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr mahs Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 Originally posted by jamiroguy1 Aparently it hasn't been explained why military documents have been destroyed, purged, or lost. huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 Originally posted by jamiroguy1 Aparently it hasn't been explained why military documents have been destroyed, purged, or lost. Son, seriously...give it up already....this stretch has been tired since day one.........and if the Dems continue to play this card, it is going to backfire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted February 12 Author Report Share Posted February 12 Originally posted by mr mahs huh? Read...and learn.Bush's military files still missing (not in action)http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/columnists/fred_grimm/7915650.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mr mahs Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 Originally posted by jamiroguy1 Read...and learn.Bush's military files still missing (not in action)http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/columnists/fred_grimm/7915650.htm :laugh: douchebag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted February 12 Author Report Share Posted February 12 Originally posted by igloo Son, seriously...give it up already....this stretch has been tired since day one.........and if the Dems continue to play this card, it is going to backfire It's already backfired for Bush by attacking Kerry for his humanitarian antiwar stance after retrurning from Vietnam. It's up Dubya to prove his record. That's why they're coming out with these irrelivant documents that don't prove his service but only point out larger holes in his military record...son. Bush is fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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