italia23 Posted September 11 Report Share Posted September 11 I apoligize if there was already a discussion on this, but I don't understand why the Patriot Act is being opposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siceone Posted September 11 Report Share Posted September 11 because democrats love terrorists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babbo Posted September 11 Report Share Posted September 11 I apoligize if there was already a discussion on this, but I don't understand why the Patriot Act is being opposed.extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice- barry goldwater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtk4 Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 because democrats love terrorists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpyrate Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 i dont get how anyone can support this act. all it does is give the gov't more rights to breech our freedoms and does nothing to curb any terrorist activity what-so-ever. I must reiterate the fact that we could have prevented 911 if we had enforced the laws that were on the books before 911. so what good is making more laws such as the patriot act which have only been used to attempt to incriminate lawful protestors and the like?i would love to see the day when and if kerry gets elected and he throws a bunch of pro-bush protestors in jail using the patriot act ... that would make for a good laugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siceone Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 all the patriot act does is extend the tools that law enforcement already has to deal with organized crime to terrorists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghhhhhost Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 i bet thats what the jews said when Hitler began extending the tools of the SS in order to deal with "dissention" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italia23 Posted September 13 Author Report Share Posted September 13 i dont get how anyone can support this act. all it does is give the gov't more rights to breech our freedoms and does nothing to curb any terrorist activity what-so-ever. I must reiterate the fact that we could have prevented 911 if we had enforced the laws that were on the books before 911. so what good is making more laws such as the patriot act which have only been used to attempt to incriminate lawful protestors and the like?i would love to see the day when and if kerry gets elected and he throws a bunch of pro-bush protestors in jail using the patriot act ... that would make for a good laughGive me an example of how the gov't can breech our freedoms. I'm not being a smartass, I am just curious and I don't know where I stand on this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tres-b Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 i bet thats what the jews said when Hitler began extending the tools of the SS in order to deal with "dissention"That is a reach. A huge reach. 1-The Jews never flew planes into German buildings2-The Jew didnt earn the right to be called "Public Enemy #1"If you dont have anything to hide, you shouldnt worry about the Patriot Act. No one is going to be kicking down your door for no reason. The act is designed to better equip our law enforcement groups to deal with the Muslim Terrorists who declared war on the US on 09.11.2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 i dont get how anyone can support this act. all it does is give the gov't more rights to breech our freedoms and does nothing to curb any terrorist activity what-so-ever. I must reiterate the fact that we could have prevented 911 if we had enforced the laws that were on the books before 911. so what good is making more laws such as the patriot act which have only been used to attempt to incriminate lawful protestors and the like?i would love to see the day when and if kerry gets elected and he throws a bunch of pro-bush protestors in jail using the patriot act ... that would make for a good laughAre you in between classes at clown school? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tres-b Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 Now that is funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obby Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 Implementing the Patriot Act has only made our Country safer. As for breaching our freedom......IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE THEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpyrate Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 Give me an example of how the gov't can breech our freedoms. I'm not being a smartass, I am just curious and I don't know where I stand on this issue.it's mainly privacy ... they can read your email without a warrant and put wiretaps up without a warrant, search your personal records without any justification ... things like that mainly ... i do not have anything to hide but i prefer my email and telephone conversations to be private and i am not worried that they are going to put up some surveillance sting at my house, it's just the only thing they have ever used this for is to arrest anti-bush protestors ... and that is breaking our first amendment rightsyou can read this for more info:http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=12126&c=207Are you in between classes at clown school?stop stealing my lines see you're supposed to tell me to go back to reading dr. suess than *my* line is suppose to be something like you should goto clown school for some new matierial:aright: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tres-b Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 it's just the only thing they have ever used this for is to arrest anti-bush protestors ... and that is breaking our first amendment rightsThat is a lie. Period. If you would like me to site examples, I will be happy to pull specific ways that the PA has been used. Otherwise, dont use statements that are just BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtk4 Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 Law inforcement can also get warrents with no evidence. They can search your house, work anything without you knowing.They can take any info from any source without your permission(creditors and such). Pretty much violate our rights as american citizens. If you have nothing to hide do not worry. Taking away rights is not cool, as long as this is used properly it should be harmless, but i doubt it will be. See this is the type of thing that makes those crazy people in montana flip out and blow up buildings.big brother is watching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtk4 Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 actually i would like to see some examples of how the pa has been used.the thing that really bugs me is the sneek and peek warrents that can be issued. Police with this can enter private houses and look around. Sounds pretty cool right. Now that is alot of power to give people. It would be real easy to plant shit in someones house. But our police would never do that right. Like i said as long as it is used right we will be fine, i just doubt it will be used right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpyrate Posted September 13 Report Share Posted September 13 i cant find anything right now ... but i do know i read that some anti-bush groups were being tracked and some were arrested because of this act Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tres-b Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 You are correct. Muslim terrorist groups opposed to President Bush have been tracked using the Patriot Act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtk4 Posted September 14 Report Share Posted September 14 where are those examples?seeing how most of this shit is done in secret.with secret judges, and no civillians or any other part of the government. Kind of takes out the whole checks and balences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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