enigma0210 Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 who cares. anybody that is gonna bitch about someone bitin there mix has got it ass backwards cuz all it means is they are trying to be like you.I've caught people playing entire cd's that i've made and fuckin laughed right in there face when i asked them where they got it and said that they did it live right there.If your gonna fake it then quit djing, if your gonna play someone elses mix have the fucking balls to say its not yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laraver Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 Man...I have to respond to this one...It doesn't matter, fake, not fake. All you have to do is look at the scene for little while and you will come to realize that skills do not at all matter anymore.The only thing that matters is celebrity and numbers. Be a celebrity and you will get booked. <---Talk about stating the obvious...how is that a bad thing. People like celebrities. Its a fact of life. And numbers. Tell me, if you owned a club or bar, would you have entertainment there that didn't draw people?If you can get people to show up and you are playing polka music, the club owners will book you.(If you can get people to show up by playing polka music, you DESERVE to get booked...) It's a bad thing because people who have skills, spent time actually practicing, spent tons of money on vinyl, and actually can program and mix for the arc of a night don't get the chance to play in front of people. That's all they and the promoters care about, numbers, heads showing up. (And you know this how? I know my bosses care about throwing as great a party as we can on any night we're open. And again, what business owner in their right mind, wouldn't care about people showing up. No people=no business)None of these comments were directed at CroBar, if that's who you work for/are defending. CroBar actually does a good job of booking quality DJ's for the most part.At this point promoters basically control the whole thing. The owners are basically lazy and don't want to, or don't know how to do the work of promotion. (Seriosuly, change promoters and club owners to "FBI and Government" and you sound like a UFO nut...big conspiracy.)It's not a conspiracy, it's called laziness.They hand it over to the promoters who book by basically using the people that suck up to them or have some sort of celebrity status. (Promoters don't book. Promoters promote what is already booked.)Promoters do book DJ's and have way too much say in that. But you are right in that, that is the way it should be, promoters should promote what the venue is doing regardless.Just look at all the porn stars and centerfolds that get booked at clubs. What does a porn star or centerfold have to do with music? So why do they get booked? For what? So people can go and see the porn star and say: "I saw a porn star in person" or " They're not all that" or "I got an autographed picture" <----WOW, umm...yes. Obviously if venues are doing this. then it is working. And Pornstars and celebrities have to do with ENTERTAINMENT.And the 1000s of people who show up to these events is pretty good proof that it is a good idea.It's sleazy, lowest common demoninator promotion and usually ends up being a sausage party. And then on top of it they try to let them spin with marginal DJ skills. Let the real DJ's spin and put the 4th tier celebrities on the stage in a cage so everybody can gawk at them like the freaks they are. Just keep them out of the DJ booth that's all I'm saying. Sure they can add to the party, just not in a musical sense.It's like the old time freakshows. People want to and gawk at the freak. On most levels that is what the scene is about now.<---its also what the scene was about 10 20 and 30 years ago. Yeah, I know Twilo this and Sound Factory that....BS I was there for those days. It was about the buzz and being part of the "exclusive" crowd. SF and Twilo did it by being "Underground" Palladium Limelight Club USA did it by having the outlandish freaks and parties. It was never only about the music. And it will never be only about the music. It will always be about the party as a whole and music can play a lot or a little in that equation.Again nothing wrong with encouraging a freak show, just keep them out of the booth and give them no involvement with the music selection.Just forget the idea that the ability to mix and program a night of music means anything anymore. It hasn't mattered for a long time and I don't see it changing anytime soon.<---come on now really...It really amazes me how on a message board dedicated to nightclubs, one of the most liberal and free thinking types of entertainment out there...and sooo many people sound like ultraconservatives who crave the good ole days and hate anything different and spend their days bashing anything new. Or pine and wish for a return to some mythic ideal of what was once great...I find it sad.Did I say I pined for the old days? In fact I like primarily new music off the beaten path, underground music. I have never bashed anything new, nor did I in this post. Just play good music, not cheese. If you are going to play a commercial cut, at least play the underground version, not a radio cut.Anyway, sorry to semi-flame here, but seriously people...HAVE FUN. Do what you want and go where you want. We live in NYC there are 1000s of choices. Why do people insist on bitching about stuff when they do something else? Is being considered "Old School" on a message board that important? I dig this forum, and I dig the people here. Some really intelligent conversation takes place. But seriously, maybe some should learn to back off a little on the blind hating just for the sake of hating.I'm getting off this soapbox...Lova ya CP Nobody was hating. Is an opinion hating? Did I bash somebody, did I denegrate a particular club or DJ or promoter? No I didn't. So yeah get off the soapbox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girlwnoregrets Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 celebrities make me sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
girlwnoregrets Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 wait. someone said a proffesional dj PROGRAMS A MIX for the night? uhh no. A real dj can take any record at any time, out of any crate and make it work. The best is when a REAL DJ, just foes with the flow and pics songs at random. Songs that he feels would continue the vibe. I REFUZE TO SEE A DJ WHO PRACTICES A PRE PROGRAMED MIX. YUCK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoob-e Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 Days later, and no one still cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladexodus Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 Nobody was hating. Is an opinion hating? Did I bash somebody, did I denegrate a particular club or DJ or promoter? No I didn't. So yeah get off the soapboxrip it bold! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laraver Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 wait. someone said a proffesional dj PROGRAMS A MIX for the night? uhh no. A real dj can take any record at any time, out of any crate and make it work. The best is when a REAL DJ, just foes with the flow and pics songs at random. Songs that he feels would continue the vibe. I REFUZE TO SEE A DJ WHO PRACTICES A PRE PROGRAMED MIX. YUCK!Obviously you misunderstood. Let me make myself clear. I am not saying a DJ who walks in the door with a pre-thought out list or pre-mixed material, that's monkey work. What I am saying is a DJ who walks in with his collection for the night and programs an entire night of music from what he has brought with him. This type of DJ understands the ebb and flow of a night and knows when and how to drop and mix the right music for that particular time of night. Hopefully I have made myself understood at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuzz Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 i love the hate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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