Felix_Leiter Posted November 30 Report Share Posted November 30 Mike Jacobs was a big loss to me though..enough with the getting rid of prospects.. <sigh> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomembername Posted November 30 Author Report Share Posted November 30 I don't understand the hype around this kid Mike Jacobs...is it because he came up and hit all those homeruns and has a "nice" swing? don't get me wrong the kid has potential and is a good prospect but that all he is, is a prospect. The Mets are in a win win mode now and the next 2 years. We needed a proven big time bat that could come in and make an immediate impact and that's what we got with Delgado. This isn't directed towards you Ante but it's something I've been hearing from a bunch of Mets fans. And you know these would be the same fans who would be screaming there head off if we didn't go out and sign someone like Delgado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix_Leiter Posted November 30 Report Share Posted November 30 I don't understand the hype around this kid Mike Jacobs...is it because he came up and hit all those homeruns and has a "nice" swing? don't get me wrong the kid has potential and is a good prospect but that all he is, is a prospect. The Mets are in a win win mode now and the next 2 years. We needed a proven big time bat that could come in and make an immediate impact and that's what we got with Delgado. This isn't directed towards you Ante but it's something I've been hearing from a bunch of Mets fans. And you know these would be the same fans who would be screaming there head off if we didn't go out and sign someone like Delgado.hes a trade we had to make..im just worried about the potential trade for manny....i think you need an even balance.. give up some of your top prospects... but other should be deemed untouchable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pookie23 Posted November 30 Report Share Posted November 30 hes a trade we had to make..im just worried about the potential trade for manny....i think you need an even balance.. give up some of your top prospects... but other should be deemed untouchableKazmir Wright and Reyes are still considered "prospects" because of their age and they're not going anywhere. It won't be too long till Lastings Miledge is on the big league roster soon. Other than those three, the rest of their prospect should be up for grabs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix_Leiter Posted November 30 Report Share Posted November 30 Kazmir Wright and Reyes are still considered "prospects" because of their age and they're not going anywhere. It won't be too long till Lastings Miledge is on the big league roster soon. Other than those three, the rest of their prospect should be up for grabs.they are talkin bout miledge included for any deals for manny.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomembername Posted November 30 Author Report Share Posted November 30 Kazmir Wright and Reyes are still considered "prospects" because of their age and they're not going anywhere. exactly...i find it funny when people are like we're getting rid of all our prospects. they forget about reyes and wright. it's as if they expect to build an entire team from people who came up through our farm system. it doesn't work that way. you need a balance of both. Manny is a tough one. I'm still very in between if we should go out and trade for him or not. There are mentions of Miledge and Floyd as part of a package. It would probably put our payroll up around $135mm or so. Minaya seems to be in love with him and it is hard to pass up on a guy like that....I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pookie23 Posted November 30 Report Share Posted November 30 they are talkin bout miledge included for any deals for manny..Nah that won't happen...If Manny REALLY wants out of Boston, he'll force them to make any deal...cause he'll be a distraction there straight through training day! I bet the Mets can get without dealing Miledge... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomembername Posted November 30 Author Report Share Posted November 30 Sox are not going to just give him away...i don't care how big of a distraction he is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonStephen Posted November 30 Report Share Posted November 30 I think you guys are missing the full concept of these prospects....aside from the fact that they can contribute to your ball club, they are bargaining tools. Not all trading action happens in the offseason. Some of the most important trading happens during the season with teams losing looking to unload a high salary for a few talented prospects. Without those prospects its tough to get that player everyone covets. Not to mention eventually it leaves your team stuck with hounding the free agent market every season for some overpaid, aging ballplayers considering no one in the organization has the ability to step up.Ask Yankees fans what it means when you consistantly trade away all your prospects every year what it does to your team..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majinbuu Posted December 1 Report Share Posted December 1 save all the kids! keep our farm full of players that might make it one day! i dont want any proven major leaguers on my team! guy who have great AA seasons are untouchable.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomembername Posted December 1 Author Report Share Posted December 1 I think you guys are missing the full concept of these prospects....aside from the fact that they can contribute to your ball club, they are bargaining tools. Not all trading action happens in the offseason. Some of the most important trading happens during the season with teams losing looking to unload a high salary for a few talented prospects. Without those prospects its tough to get that player everyone covets. Not to mention eventually it leaves your team stuck with hounding the free agent market every season for some overpaid, aging ballplayers considering no one in the organization has the ability to step up.Ask Yankees fans what it means when you consistantly trade away all your prospects every year what it does to your team.....obviously I don't want to rape our farm system. are you saying we shouldn't have traded for Delgado? we needed a left handed bat now or else we won't be in any position later on in the season where we can maybe go out and make another trade to put us over that hump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonStephen Posted December 1 Report Share Posted December 1 obviously I don't want to rape our farm system. are you saying we shouldn't have traded for Delgado? we needed a left handed bat now or else we won't be in any position later on in the season where we can maybe go out and make another trade to put us over that hump.I'm not going to knock the Delgado or Wagner pick up because both are quality players (even if they are in their mid thirties). What I'm getting at is the fact that the Mets are following the same path as the Yankees in their offseason strategy....They still have some quality players in their farm system but I see a trend starting to form through ManayaTrade young studs for aging, pricey veterens...smells like steinbrenner to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomembername Posted December 1 Author Report Share Posted December 1 I'm not going to knock the Delgado or Wagner pick up because both are quality players (even if they are in their mid thirties). What I'm getting at is the fact that the Mets are following the same path as the Yankees in their offseason strategy....They still have some quality players in their farm system but I see a trend starting to form through ManayaTrade young studs for aging, pricey veterens...smells like steinbrenner to mei agree with you that they shouldn't do that but where have they besides this Delgado trade? everyone else was a free agent pick up so what is the difference if they traded a couple "young studs" for a proven player to fill a need now rather then during the season? and please don't say Heilman cause that was before Minaya's time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonStephen Posted December 1 Report Share Posted December 1 i agree with you that they shouldn't do that but where have they besides this Delgado trade? everyone else was a free agent pick up so what is the difference if they traded a couple "young studs" for a proven player to fill a need now rather then during the season? and please don't say Heilman cause that was before Minaya's time...the trends forming....thats all I'm sayingstarted with Delgado. signed Wagner (34 and an injury risk). Beltran and Pedro (Pedro gave them their bang for their buck but how long do you honestly think he's gonna last? another 3 years?)I dont know if Benson and Zambrano were Manaya or Heilman so I wont comment on them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomembername Posted December 1 Author Report Share Posted December 1 the trends forming....thats all I'm sayingoh ok, good to know you can see in to the future... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix_Leiter Posted December 1 Report Share Posted December 1 oh ok, good to know you can see in to the future...maybe we should ask ghhhost if he is getting conflicting visions.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pookie23 Posted December 1 Report Share Posted December 1 I'm not going to knock the Delgado or Wagner pick up because both are quality players (even if they are in their mid thirties). What I'm getting at is the fact that the Mets are following the same path as the Yankees in their offseason strategy....They still have some quality players in their farm system but I see a trend starting to form through ManayaTrade young studs for aging, pricey veterens...smells like steinbrenner to meWait a sec...Who did Boston trade to get Beckett and overpriced aging veteran Lowell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomembername Posted December 1 Author Report Share Posted December 1 exactly! i'm not even trying to be a dick here, i just don't get where he is coming from. he's making statements based off of a hunch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix_Leiter Posted December 1 Report Share Posted December 1 exactly! i'm not even trying to be a dick here, i just don't get where he is coming from. he's making statements based off of a hunchwhat do you expect he hates NY teams.. tries to knock em when he gets the chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonStephen Posted December 1 Report Share Posted December 1 wait wait waitare you people actually trying to point to Beckett who's 25 and already the ace of the Marlins' staff as a bad trade???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonStephen Posted December 1 Report Share Posted December 1 exactly! i'm not even trying to be a dick here, i just don't get where he is coming from. he's making statements based off of a hunchever realize how baseless and one sided your views come from?didnt think so seeing as its always coming from the source Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonStephen Posted December 1 Report Share Posted December 1 oh ok, good to know you can see in to the future...i can senoir......and here I can see you wasting your life away with your e-clique on the bump board. time to post useless topics, they miss you there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonStephen Posted December 1 Report Share Posted December 1 what do you expect he hates NY teams.. tries to knock em when he gets the chanceonly the Yankees. I got nothing against the Mets, all I was doing is questioning the moves and making observationsbut I'll bash the shit out of the Mets if their fans actually think they got shit to say about my team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pookie23 Posted December 1 Report Share Posted December 1 wait wait waitare you people actually trying to point to Beckett who's 25 and already the ace of the Marlins' staff as a bad trade????Actually the ace of the staff is Willis or Beckett wouldn't have been the one to go And the Marlins wouldn't have conisdered the trade without including Lowell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomembername Posted December 1 Author Report Share Posted December 1 ever realize how baseless and one sided your views come from?didnt think so seeing as its always coming from the sourcebro, i honestly am very confused...i have no idea what this means and why do you get so defensive always as if a little discussion with different opinions get under your skin.didn't realize you were so sensitive...for now on I will just take your word as God djjonstephens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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