What an idiot!!!

[Guest saintjohn]

Makes sense but why is it that this guy Bath was not blocked out in 2000. Was it that they made a mistake in 2000 and just realized that they should have blocked his name out in 2000 so they made up for it later.

foia requests are notoriously incomplete and inconsistent, so who knows?

BTW appreciate all the facts

my pleasure.

in case anyone's eyes glazed over while skimming through my previous posts, here's a link to a less academic analysis of the same issue from newsweek magazine:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5335853/site/newsweek/

[Guest Seb]

Makes sense but why is it that this guy Bath was not blocked out in 2000. Was it that they made a mistake in 2000 and just realized that they should have blocked his name out in 2000 so they made up for it later.

foia requests are notoriously incomplete and inconsistent, so who knows?

BTW appreciate all the facts

I don't know, that doesn't satisfy me.

[Guest macboy]

Those of you too lazy to read saintjohn's posts, just go see FarenHYPE 911. It covers the same ground.

[Guest Seb]

I read most of it. If my supervisor keeps seeing Cool Junkie on my screen I will get the boot.

[tgibson]

I read most of it. If my supervisor keeps seeing Cool Junkie on my screen I will get the boot.

I hear you on that!

Tech - you need to design a forum screen option that makes it look like an excel spreadsheet...

[Guest Seb]

Ya maybe throw in some percentages and financial numbers in there too.

[Guest bcnjunkie]

this is pure comedy.

don't spin it, answer the question

[Guest bcnjunkie]

For those of you who believe Farenheit 911 is 100% pure fact

I don't think anyone believes it's 100% fact

[Guest signo]

nice to read this thread

i watched Fahrenheit 911 and i dont know if it is true

everybody tells another story and i think Micheal Moore produced this movie to earn money (yeah success for him in germany, Fahrenheit 911 was broadcasted 1 day before the US election) and he has success

[Guest tres-b]

nice to read this thread

i watched Fahrenheit 911 and i dont know if it is true

everybody tells another story and i think Micheal Moore produced this movie to earn money (yeah success for him in germany, Fahrenheit 911 was broadcasted 1 day before the US election) and he has success

Let me help you out, it isnt true. Now go tell the rest of your countrymen. ;D

[Guest soulchucker]

I've just seen the Farenhype movie... : I find it funny that in Moore's book "Dude, Where's My Country" (which contains many of the same facts as Fahrenheit 911), and in his movie, he lists dozens (in the book, 22 pages) of sources for his facts so you can check them for yourself. In the Hype movie, there isn't 1 dingle thing they mentioned that you can go and see for yourself. Every rebuttal they came up with for Moores' movie is unsupported.

They 'conveniently' omitted ANYTHING about the Abu Ghraib prison, and the abuse the Government let happen, they never mentioned anything about Haliburton getting billions in NO BID contracts (which I'm sure is not entirely supposed to happen), and their assertion that he was trying to make the soldiers look dumb is assinine. What he was showing is that the men fighting over there are disillusioned about WHY they are there. There's no oppressive millitary force, it's all civillians defending themselves against an INVADING army.

SOOOO... if the makers of this 'film' were so adamant about proving that Michael Moore was lying, why didn't they give any evidence to support THEIR side of the story. Moore had pictures of the documents he was referring to, in addition to mentioning the source in the credits. The only thing I saw in FahrenHYPE was a group of Neo-Cons giving opinions with no proof to back their claims.......

[Guest JMT]

kinda like the forged headline MM used?

[Guest tres-b]

I've just seen the Farenhype movie... : I find it funny that in Moore's book "Dude, Where's My Country" (which contains many of the same facts as Fahrenheit 911), and in his movie, he lists dozens (in the book, 22 pages) of sources for his facts so you can check them for yourself. In the Hype movie, there isn't 1 dingle thing they mentioned that you can go and see for yourself. Every rebuttal they came up with for Moores' movie is unsupported.

They 'conveniently' omitted ANYTHING about the Abu Ghraib prison, and the abuse the Government let happen, they never mentioned anything about Haliburton getting billions in NO BID contracts (which I'm sure is not entirely supposed to happen), and their assertion that he was trying to make the soldiers look dumb is assinine. What he was showing is that the men fighting over there are disillusioned about WHY they are there. There's no oppressive millitary force, it's all civillians defending themselves against an INVADING army.

SOOOO... if the makers of this 'film' were so adamant about proving that Michael Moore was lying, why didn't they give any evidence to support THEIR side of the story. Moore had pictures of the documents he was referring to, in addition to mentioning the source in the credits. The only thing I saw in FahrenHYPE was a group of Neo-Cons giving opinions with no proof to back their claims.......

Since you brought up Haliburton, are you aware that Clinton awarded a no bid contract to them as well? And as far as the prison stuff goes, cry me a river. While I think it was disgusting, no one got beheaded.

If you car to educate yourself about the lies of Moore and F9/11, feel free to check this link out and then tell me what an honest socialist Moore is....

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

[Guest soulchucker]

I think that the real point behind the movie was to show how decietful the Bush administration is. It has been proven that they DID lie about their reasons for attacking Iraq. I also find it a bit of a coincidence that Bush's BROTHER just happened to be the governor of the state that had the most controversial results, and in this election, the 'no trail' voting machines are proving to be another source of controversy.

Overall, granted some of Moore's facts could be misleading or outright wrong. However, I don't think he's the least bit misleading when he says that George W. Bush and his administration have hijacked the White House to serve their own purposes. Why else would Bush REFUSE to testify under oath to the 9/11 commission unless he had something to hide... ? :

Here's a link to a British journalist who's been covering the dealings of the Bush administration.... http://www.gregpalast.com/index.cfm

[Guest soulchucker]

Since you brought up Haliburton, are you aware that Clinton awarded a no bid contract to them as well?

Clinton was brought up several times in the movie... What has ANY of it to do with Clinton ? Even if he did give them one or 2 no bids, Haliburton has been getting ALL of them in Iraq.The Republican party wanted him impeached for fooling around with an intern, and what happened to Bush for invading a sovereign nation, for reasons he fabricated, and killing over ten thousand Iraqi citizens ? He gets re-elected.... :-\

[Guest JMT]

Since you brought up Haliburton, are you aware that Clinton awarded a no bid contract to them as well?

Clinton was brought up several times in the movie... What has ANY of it to do with Clinton ? Even if he did give them one or 2 no bids, Haliburton has been getting ALL of them in Iraq.The Republican party wanted him impeached for fooling around with an intern, and what happened to Bush for invading a sovereign nation, for reasons he fabricated, and killing over ten thousand Iraqi citizens ? He gets re-elected.... :-\

halliburton assumes all risk by going over there, only a small handful of contractors in the WORLD can do that kind of massive work. i am far from the biggest defender of the iraq decision, but you are talking about things which you have no idea.

"sovereign nation"? you no longer warrant any response.

[Guest tres-b]

Since you brought up Haliburton, are you aware that Clinton awarded a no bid contract to them as well?

Clinton was brought up several times in the movie... What has ANY of it to do with Clinton ? Even if he did give them one or 2 no bids, Haliburton has been getting ALL of them in Iraq.The Republican party wanted him impeached for fooling around with an intern, and what happened to Bush for invading a sovereign nation, for reasons he fabricated, and killing over ten thousand Iraqi citizens ? He gets re-elected.... :-\

Not even if he did...Clinton did award no bid contracts to Haliburton. If you require documentation, I will be happy to provide it to you.

The impeachment had nothing to do with screwing around. It had to do with lying about the screwing around UNDER OATH. I dont care if he had an orgy in the Oval Office. It doesnt matter as long as he tells the truth under oath.

As for invading Iraq, it was the right war at the right time. Soon, the people of Iraq will be free to vote and elect a government that isnt seeking to nuclear technology, using chemical weapons on its people, and adding to instability in the region. We may not have found WMDs, but French, German, British, Russian, and US intel all believed that they were there. Where are they now? Maybe Syria, maybe destroyed, but we will figure it out. Regardless, the world is a better place w/ Saddam gone.

You need to educate yourself before you spew out Moore's lies. Go to the link that I provided and read. Try to realize that F 9/11 was a propaganda piece done by a Hollywood guy who is in the business of making money not making the world better.