lexxxi Posted February 16 Report Share Posted February 16 What do you think of them apples??? ------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roby Posted February 16 Report Share Posted February 16 I believe this is the 422nd time they've lobbed bombs at Iraq since the end of the Gulf War. Why are the news wire services making such a big deal of this one? Slow news day ...... or perhaps this is being done by a faction of the U.S. military that is still loyal to Bill Clinton, as a way to distract media attention from the Marc Rich/pardon fiasco. Wasn't every other U.S. missile attack of the past 8 years simply a smokescreen to cover Clinton's transgressions? Maybe now the Republicans are learning that shit actually happens in the world and not everything is some sort of sleazy Clinton move ...------------------AIM name: noserotoninleftCRACKHEADS OF THE WORLD UNITE!! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR BRAINS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexxxi Posted February 16 Author Report Share Posted February 16 Could very well be....every newswire on my PC started flasing as soon as it was public knowledge.....dragged me away from everything else I was reading (porn, porn and more porn). It's an excellent way to distract us from other issues. What are some other conspiracy theories we can come up for this one??? AAAaaahhh HHhhhhaaaaa!!!Waging war just to see if Bush is actually up to the job!!! HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!!!!!!------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ichi_gami Posted February 16 Report Share Posted February 16 maybe it is to take heat off the little sub incident?------------------Administrative Signature: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back2basics- Posted February 16 Report Share Posted February 16 Originally posted by roby:I believe this is the 422nd time they've lobbed bombs at Iraq since the end of the Gulf War. Why are the news wire services making such a big deal of this one? Slow news day ...... or perhaps this is being done by a faction of the U.S. military that is still loyal to Bill Clinton, as a way to distract media attention from the Marc Rich/pardon fiasco. Wasn't every other U.S. missile attack of the past 8 years simply a smokescreen to cover Clinton's transgressions? Maybe now the Republicans are learning that shit actually happens in the world and not everything is some sort of sleazy Clinton move ...That's true but the other strikes have been when targeted.. where as this was a planned bombing.------------------I want to go out blazing..not fade away.Trust in the currency of relationships, it's hard to earn but easy to loose - back2basics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tribehouse Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 since there are no waepon inspectors anymorethose attacts seems to be the only way toprevent further built up of military infrastructure, intelligence agency reportsaggressive buying and smuggeling of militaryhardware into the country dispite an embargo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back2basics Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 They seem like the only way to kill more inocent people to me..There is ALWAYS another way other than violence.The sanctions have already killed more than a million inocent people.. do people think that Sadam give a shit.. America is a pawn in his plan... he was testing Bush don't you see that?Send people in and take him out.. it can be done.. the Seals the S.A.S they could do it. ok 10 British and American lives are better than 1 million. It doesn't matter where you come from a life is a life. People from Araq have as much right to live as ALL of us. They don't have a choice WE do.IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ichi_gami Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 Originally posted by back2basics:Send people in and take him out.. it can be done.. the Seals the S.A.S they could do it. ok 10 British and American lives are better than 1 million. IMHO.The enemy you know...Who is next in line behind Saddam? Who could take over Iraq in the absence of a strong personality? So the "allied" powers keep Saddam's bloodlust and landlust, and pwerlust in check with actions such as this...we know what he will do, and we know how to keep him manageable. It's a business decision as much as a military decision, b2b. It costs less to compete with an old and predictable competitor than to knock that one out and deal with a round of new ones.JMHO...-ichi, drunk as a skunk and headed for bed------------------Administrative Signature: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back2basics- Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 Originally posted by ichi_gami: The enemy you know...Who is next in line behind Saddam? Who could take over Iraq in the absence of a strong personality? So the "allied" powers keep Saddam's bloodlust and landlust, and pwerlust in check with actions such as this...we know what he will do, and we know how to keep him manageable. It's a business decision as much as a military decision, b2b. It costs less to compete with an old and predictable competitor than to knock that one out and deal with a round of new ones.JMHO...-ichi, drunk as a skunk and headed for bedI don't agree, Iraq is not full of Saddams. There is several opsition parties. Get rid of Sadam and TRUST the people of Iraq to choose a new leader democraticly.Sadam will not allow elections to happen. Do you think he rules on fear & terror? He does that's the only way he gets away with it.The main opsotion party is based in the UK because they carn't be based in Iraq because of Sadam. But the UK just jumped in with the US as they seem to be doing lately.AND it's tearing apart the UN.. check the news reports this morning. They are all at odd's with each other. That's what he wants. He was testing Dublya, and it was a win win situation for Sadam. Either they didn't attack and Sadam would have pushed more OR they would and People like France will condem it. Sadam PLAYED Bush... he owns him.------------------I want to go out blazing..not fade away.Trust in the currency of relationships, it's hard to earn but easy to loose - back2basics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musiclover Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 Anybody see Wag The Dog? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perfecto25 Posted February 17 Report Share Posted February 17 haha, wag the dog, touche!ive read the book called "Endgame" by Scott Ritter, he was a chief UN weapons inspector in Iraq, what he says is incredible. To put it bluntly, no air attack will prevent saddam from fucking up the region further. This attack is a weak initiative, designed to pull away the heat of the sub mishap. W shouldnt feel too bad, Clinton's take on Iraq was even weaker. Today's presidents simply dont have the balls and the political agenda to take out global cancers like hussein. -ciao mike ------------------kroshka moya, ya po tebe skychayu... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safitamace319 Posted February 18 Report Share Posted February 18 this is disgusting, when i had to take a politics course my sophomore to finish my gen. ed. requirements, we had a list, like 6 pages long, of what was not allowed in that country as the result of sanctions, i hardly believe they can smuggle in large warfare, whether biological or otherwise, when they're not even recieving necessities like milk, medicine, pencils and papers.. those things were on that list i had, and it was due to the fact that the us/un considered that list things that could have a "dual purpose" what are htey gonna do, make a tank out of pencils and papers? cmon. i agree with B2B just go in and take the asshole out, although why do that when you can just use him as an excuse to keep an entire population down and dying....------------------"Some Of Us Are Like Ink, And Some Like Paper.And If It Were Not For The Blackness Of Some Of Us, Some Of Us Would Be Dumb.And If It Were Not For The Whiteness Of Some Of Us, Some Of Us Would Be Blind."- Khalil Gibran-----------------------"A BIRD MAY LOVE A FISH SIGNORE, BUT WHERE WOULD THEY LIVE?""THEN I SHALL HAVE TO MAKE YOU WINGS" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyparsons Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 i think bush just wanted to prove that he could spell "bomb", and that he knows where iraq is...------------------ "i'm crushing your head"[This message has been edited by mattyparsons (edited 02-18-2001).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msoprano Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 I DONT KNOW PEOPLE, I WOULD HATE TO SEE THIS COUNTRY GO TO WAR AGAIN, BUT I DO AGRRE WITH BACK2BASICS, JUST TAKE SADDAMM OUT!!!!------------------TWILO'S WACK !!!! Sorry guys it is "dont be affraid to walk out on anything in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat coming from around the corner" Robert DeniroAIM:msoprano13Email:msoprano13@yahoo.com "IM GONNA MAKE YOU AN OFFER YOU CANT REFUSE" MSOPRANO13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ichi_gami Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 Look at it this way, b2b. The same cast of characters that made the strategic decision to leave him there in the first place has returned. It doesn't look like they have changed their minds in the last 10 years, or are about to.I am quite naive when it comes to political and military strategy, I cna't find it in me to make such an easy statement as "take the fukker out." Iraq may not be filled with more Saddams, but there are many things I can think of more frightening than Saddam...1) Iraq is a Muslim state. We are in an embroglio between an Muslim population and a Jewish population. The surrounding Arab nations are allowing us an ever more tenuous role in that, as they get fed up with Western presence in the area. Witness high fuel prices worldwide as evidence. Would a Christian-sanctioned (as seen through the political eyes of the Middle East) assassination further or hinder goals in the area?2) Iran has a lingering animosity toward both Iraq and the US. In the brief power vacuum after an assassination, it would be quite easy for the "Irani enemy" to get a propaganda foothold against an Iraqi opposition party, and get some control for themselves.3) Russia is always going to have an issue with what the US does in that region, due to proximity and the fact that most of the militaries of the area are dependent on the old Red Army for weapons and training. Any embarassment there is an embarassment to Russia. (Witness the collapse of the USSR core after the first Gulf War as evidence)4) France is always going to have an issue with what the US does, even on its own shores. And France is always going to run to the US first when it needs help. France should not be an overwhelming consideration when gauging world opinion.Saddam owns nobody. He is watching over his shoulder again, hence the reappearance of 17 or so look-alikes when he goes out in public, something we haven't seen in about 6 years. I don't think Bush is going to ride the course charted by your Neville Chamberlain, but I think he knows the situation there is far to precarious to create a martyr simply out of apparent expediency.MH(sober!)O,ichi------------------Administrative Signature: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back2basics- Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 Originally posted by ichi_gami:Look at it this way, b2b. The same cast of characters that made the strategic decision to leave him there in the first place has returned. It doesn't look like they have changed their minds in the last 10 years, or are about to.I am quite naive when it comes to political and military strategy, I can't find it in me to make such an easy statement as "take the fukker out." Iraq may not be filled with more Saddams, but there are many things I can think of more frightening than Saddam...1) Iraq is a Muslim state. We are in an embroglio between an Muslim population and a Jewish population. The surrounding Arab nations are allowing us an ever more tenuous role in that, as they get fed up with Western presence in the area. Witness high fuel prices worldwide as evidence. Would a Christian-sanctioned (as seen through the political eyes of the Middle East) assassination further or hinder goals in the area?2) Iran has a lingering animosity toward both Iraq and the US. In the brief power vacuum after an assassination, it would be quite easy for the "Irani enemy" to get a propaganda foothold against an Iraqi opposition party, and get some control for themselves.3) Russia is always going to have an issue with what the US does in that region, due to proximity and the fact that most of the militaries of the area are dependent on the old Red Army for weapons and training. Any embarassment there is an embarassment to Russia. (Witness the collapse of the USSR core after the first Gulf War as evidence)4) France is always going to have an issue with what the US does, even on its own shores. And France is always going to run to the US first when it needs help. France should not be an overwhelming consideration when gauging world opinion.Saddam owns nobody. He is watching over his shoulder again, hence the reappearance of 17 or so look-alikes when he goes out in public, something we haven't seen in about 6 years. I don't think Bush is going to ride the course charted by your Neville Chamberlain, but I think he knows the situation there is far to precarious to create a martyr simply out of apparent expediency.MH(sober!)O,ichiLOL, thisis what i like about you, it is beeing like at a dinner pary.. in a good way Anyway, you do seem to have a very negative view of the rest of the world. And i know there (buy the reporting standard over her), may be a reason for that. When i came over here i started watching the news on various channels and reading certain papers. They were all so one sided i couldn't beleive it. I settled on the NY Times... we are what we read after all. But i do get a sence over here, in the media, that Russia is an evila contry, Iran shouldn't be trusted. And the middle east should't be trusted either... oh and China is the US's biggest threat...That sets a terrible presidence for the American people. They think the rest of the world is purley based on political statements (something i KNOW you are interested in). Rhetoric and properganda is a political thing. When a party in what ever place starts saying things.. bizzar things like the 'zionist's are attacking again' it's very easy to see a contry as something you don't understand... and therfore should feer.But i have met many Russian, many Muslims many people from places in the middle east... you know what they have the same values as we do. They are a product of their enviroment, but it has made the question their enviroment. If you look at this from a political view i know it will give anybody a very bad opinion of some people.But i KNOW people of all nationalaties and races. And it is the very same people who will execute change. We need to be surpoting those people not working with or beliving the heads of state. Or change wont happen. It's ok for the UK & US to say we had no choice... our people would have died. Bt OUR people are no more valuable that theirs... espesially because THEIR people arn't in control of most of the FACTS. Should we percicute them for a state controlled propagande machine? I don't think we should.But Saddam won this round IMO so i think he does own Bush and Blair. I think the backlash will continue, and in the end the UN will get a relaxation of sanctions... not under our control but under the UN's control.That could make things much worse.. all the time the people of Iraq (not Saddam ) are suffering.------------------I want to go out blazing..not fade away.Trust in the currency of relationships, it's hard to earn but easy to loose - back2basics [This message has been edited by back2basics- (edited 02-19-2001).] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
back2basics- Posted February 20 Report Share Posted February 20 O and there are so many typing mistake in that.... the English carn't spell (jk)------------------I want to go out blazing..not fade away.Trust in the currency of relationships, it's hard to earn but easy to loose - back2basics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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