Why Sharon is Talking and Fighting

[sassa]

Why Sharon is Talking and Fighting

Israel hopes to strike a blow against Palestinian militants before the U.S. arrives to enforce calm

BY TONY KARON

TIME: Streets Red With Blood

CNN: Israel Continues Offensive

Wednesday, Mar. 13, 2002

Israel's move into Palestinian territories Tuesday could be mistaken for a full-blown invasion. But despite launching the biggest military operation since the Lebanon war began 20 years ago, Israel has made clear that the offensive will end when Bush administration envoy General Anthony Zinni arrives later this week. And it is Zinni's visit — as part of the renewed U.S. cease-fire effort designed to court Arab support for action against Iraq — that has Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon at once making gestures towards a truce and escalating military activity.

Sharon's actions are not necessarily contradictory. He knows the U.S. will face pressure to restrain Israel from the Arab regimes Dick Cheney is lobbying this week for help in the fight against Saddam Hussein. Raising the ante ahead of Zinni's visit allows Sharon to paint the inevitable retreat from Palestinian areas recently reoccupied as a concession. More important, the Israelis believe — with good reason — that no matter what cease-fire agreement is reached, Yasser Arafat will be unable or unwilling to take down Hamas and Islamic Jihad, much less to disarm the militias linked to his own Fatah movement. The Israelis may be trying to get as much of the job done themselves before Washington requires a tamping down of hostilities.

Despite killing more than 200 alleged militants and arresting around 2,000 more, Israel's invasions of Palestinian towns such as Ramallah and refugee camps in the West Bank and Gaza do not appear to have achieved the desired results. Israeli analysts noted that Palestinian militants preserved much of their fighting capability by avoiding full-on clashes with Israeli forces. And even in the course of the current operations in the West Bank and Gaza, Palestinian gunmen and suicide bombers have struck repeatedly inside Israel, as if to send the message that the Israeli raids could not deter them.

The rising tide of bloodshed on Israel's streets has played badly for Sharon in domestic politics, where he is increasingly vulnerable to mounting pressure from the right to take a harder line with the Palestinians. Two far-right members of his cabinet resigned Tuesday, and the prime minister is no longer the favored candidate of his own party come election time. That may leave him overly reliant on the relatively more dovish Labor Party, to avoid having to call new elections. But the edge of the envelope in Israeli realpolitik is determined by Washington, and Sharon has little choice now but to walk back from his chokehold on Arafat and begin anew the cease-fire dance. Still, the respite may be temporary.

Arafat has no political authority over the Islamists, and they remain fiercely opposed to any new cease-fire. That, and the rage of the Palestinian public stirred by the latest Israeli operations, suggest they'll try to cut short Zinni's visit (and spoil Cheney's) with a series of terror outrages in Israel's cities. Even the militants of Arafat's own Fatah organization now believe that armed struggle is more effective than U.S.-brokered negotiations.

The prospect of a cease-fire has forced Arafat and Sharon to confront some uncomfortable strategic dilemmas. Sharon lifted travel restrictions on Arafat and dropped his demand for seven days of quiet before cease-fire talks. Arafat made it a little easier for the Israeli leader by arresting the last key suspect in the slaying of an Israeli cabinet minister.

While Arafat is supposed to disarm the militias, he may see at least some of them as a strategic reserve. Their armed actions in the West Bank and Gaza over the past six weeks have certainly helped stoke the crisis that brought the Americans rushing back to rehabilitate Arafat. The Palestinian leader is no more likely to trust Sharon than vice versa, and he's unlikely — and quite possibly unable — to relinquish his capability to make life intolerable for the Israelis in the West Bank and Gaza.

Sharon is faced with the prospect that in the U.S. perspective, a cease-fire is but a way station en route to renewed land-for-peace political negotiations. As a longtime opponent of Oslo and champion of the settlers, that's not an idea the Israeli leader can love. But, of course, it won't come to pass if Palestinian militants continue to blow themselves up in downtown Tel Aviv.

The best-case scenario for General Zinni is a cease-fire agreement and adoption of the Saudi peace plan at the March 27 Arab League summit in Beirut. That?s not going to happen while bombs are going off in Israel, Israeli tanks are rumbling through Palestinian refugee camps and Arafat is prevented from even traveling to Beirut. As General Zinni knows from experience, best-case scenarios seldom pan out in the Middle East.

[ashta]

Well pretty much peace in the middle east is a dream.

Sharon is is a dirty player and is doing everything he can to provoke the palestinian people and other arabs into retaliating, so he can have an excuse to kill off more people. Especially now that he can use the "war on Terrorism" thing to say that oh, they're terrorists.

"We've stolen their land, treat them like dirt, kicked half of them out of their country, kill their children, stop ambulances from getting to their wounded, and for some reason they're mad and are fighting us. Why? they're evil terrorists."

And Zinni will go to the middle east, call a whole bunch of people who are trying to get some freedom terrorists. Say that Arafat should do more to srop the violence. And will go back home safe and sound home.

Hopefully Sharon won't be re-lected.

[sassa]

I hope so..he doesn't have a damn clue what he's doing....why do people persist in voting these military freaks into office? Everything has gone downhill in Israel since Rabin was in office...Sharon needs to get that big stick out of his ass and start being serious about peace....one side HAS to be the bigger one. Either/ or should call for a ceasefire...or this situation is going to blow in all our faces...

[tribal]

arite i just wanna say this, Arafat and Sharon are both murderers and if there is to be peace in mid east, they need new leaders ok.

but what about this? isnt saudia arabia our ally? what is this shit??????

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Special Dispatch - Saudi Arabia/Arab Antisemitism, 3/13/02, No. 354

Saudi Government Daily:

Jews Use Teenagers' Blood for 'Purim' Pastries

In an article published by the Saudi government daily Al-Riyadh, columnist

Dr. Umayma Ahmad Al-Jalahma of King Faysal University in Al-Dammam, wrote

on

"The Jewish Holiday of Purim." Following are excerpts of the article:

Special Ingredient For Jewish Holidays is Human Blood From Non-Jewish

Youth

"I chose to [speak] about the Jewish holiday of Purim, because it is

connected to the month of March. This holiday has some dangerous customs

that will, no doubt, horrify you, and I apologize if any reader is harmed

because of this."

"During this holiday, the Jew must prepare very special pastries, the

filling of which is not only costly and rare - it cannot be

found at all on the local and international markets."

"Unfortunately, this filling cannot be left out, or substituted with any

alternative serving the same purpose. For this holiday, the Jewish people

must obtain human blood so that their clerics can prepare the holiday

pastries. In other words, the practice cannot be carried out as required

if

human blood is not spilled!!"

"Before I go into the details, I would like to clarify that the Jews'

spilling human blood to prepare pastry for their holidays is a

well-established fact, historically and legally, all throughout history.

This was one of the main reasons for the persecution and exile that were

their lot in Europe and Asia at various times."

"This holiday [Purim] begins with a fast, on March 13, like the Jewess

Esther who vowed to fast. The holiday continues on March 14; during the

holiday, the Jews wear carnival-style masks and costumes and overindulge

in

drinking alcohol, prostitution, and adultery. This holiday has become

known

among Muslim historians as the "Holiday of Masks."

How the Jews Drain the Blood From Their Young Victims

"Who was Esther, and why the Jews sanctify her and act as she did, I will

clarify in my article next Tuesday,[1] Allah willing. Today, I would like

to

tell you how human blood is spilled so it can be used for their holiday

pastries. The blood is spilled in a special way. How is it done?"

"For this holiday, the victim must be a mature adolescent who is, of

course,

a non-Jew - that is, a Christian or a Muslim. His blood is taken and dried

into granules. The cleric blends these granules into the pastry dough;

they

can also be saved for the next holiday. In contrast, for the Passover

slaughtering, about which I intend to write one of these days, the blood

of

Christian and Muslim children under the age of 10 must be used, and the

cleric can mix the blood [into the dough] before or after dehydration."

The Actions of the Jewish Vampires Cause Them Pleasure

"Let us now examine how the victims' blood is spilled. For this, a

needle-studded barrel is used; this is a kind of barrel, about the size of

the human body, with extremely sharp needles set in it on all sides.

[These

needles] pierce the victim's body, from the moment he is placed in the

barrel."

"These needles do the job, and the victim's blood drips from him very

slowly. Thus, the victim suffers dreadful torment - torment that affords

the

Jewish vampires great delight as they carefully monitor every detail of

the

blood-shedding with pleasure and love that are difficult to comprehend."

"After this barbaric display, the Jews take the spilled blood, in the

bottle

set in the bottom [of the needle-studded barrel], and the Jewish cleric

makes his coreligionists completely happy on their holiday when he serves

them the pastries in which human blood is mixed."

"There is another way to spill the blood: The victim can be slaughtered as

a

sheep is slaughtered, and his blood collected in a container. Or, the

victim's veins can be slit in several places, letting his blood drain from

his body."

"This blood is very carefully collected - as I have already noted - by the

'rabbi,' the Jewish cleric, the chef who specializes in preparing these

kinds of pastries."

"The human race refuses even to look at the Jewish pastries, let alone

prepare them or consume them!"[2]

[1] In the second part of the article (March 12), the columnist tells the

story of the Book of Esther and concludes, "Since then, the Old Testament,

the Jewish holy book, requires the Jews to glorify this holiday and show

their joy. This joy can only be complete with the consumption of pastries

mixed with human blood."

[2] Al-Riyadh (Saudi Arabia), March 10, 2002.

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[sassa]

Originally posted by tribal

arite i just wanna say this, Arafat and Sharon are both murderers and if there is to be peace in mid east, they need new leaders ok.

but what about this? isnt saudia arabia our ally? what is this shit??????

--------------------

Special Dispatch - Saudi Arabia/Arab Antisemitism, 3/13/02, No. 354

Saudi Government Daily:

Jews Use Teenagers' Blood for 'Purim' Pastries

In an article published by the Saudi government daily Al-Riyadh, columnist

Dr. Umayma Ahmad Al-Jalahma of King Faysal University in Al-Dammam, wrote

on

"The Jewish Holiday of Purim." Following are excerpts of the article:

Special Ingredient For Jewish Holidays is Human Blood From Non-Jewish

Youth

"I chose to [speak] about the Jewish holiday of Purim, because it is

connected to the month of March. This holiday has some dangerous customs

that will, no doubt, horrify you, and I apologize if any reader is harmed

because of this."

"During this holiday, the Jew must prepare very special pastries, the

filling of which is not only costly and rare - it cannot be

found at all on the local and international markets."

"Unfortunately, this filling cannot be left out, or substituted with any

alternative serving the same purpose. For this holiday, the Jewish people

must obtain human blood so that their clerics can prepare the holiday

pastries. In other words, the practice cannot be carried out as required

if

human blood is not spilled!!"

"Before I go into the details, I would like to clarify that the Jews'

spilling human blood to prepare pastry for their holidays is a

well-established fact, historically and legally, all throughout history.

This was one of the main reasons for the persecution and exile that were

their lot in Europe and Asia at various times."

"This holiday [Purim] begins with a fast, on March 13, like the Jewess

Esther who vowed to fast. The holiday continues on March 14; during the

holiday, the Jews wear carnival-style masks and costumes and overindulge

in

drinking alcohol, prostitution, and adultery. This holiday has become

known

among Muslim historians as the "Holiday of Masks."

How the Jews Drain the Blood From Their Young Victims

"Who was Esther, and why the Jews sanctify her and act as she did, I will

clarify in my article next Tuesday,[1] Allah willing. Today, I would like

to

tell you how human blood is spilled so it can be used for their holiday

pastries. The blood is spilled in a special way. How is it done?"

"For this holiday, the victim must be a mature adolescent who is, of

course,

a non-Jew - that is, a Christian or a Muslim. His blood is taken and dried

into granules. The cleric blends these granules into the pastry dough;

they

can also be saved for the next holiday. In contrast, for the Passover

slaughtering, about which I intend to write one of these days, the blood

of

Christian and Muslim children under the age of 10 must be used, and the

cleric can mix the blood [into the dough] before or after dehydration."

The Actions of the Jewish Vampires Cause Them Pleasure

"Let us now examine how the victims' blood is spilled. For this, a

needle-studded barrel is used; this is a kind of barrel, about the size of

the human body, with extremely sharp needles set in it on all sides.

[These

needles] pierce the victim's body, from the moment he is placed in the

barrel."

"These needles do the job, and the victim's blood drips from him very

slowly. Thus, the victim suffers dreadful torment - torment that affords

the

Jewish vampires great delight as they carefully monitor every detail of

the

blood-shedding with pleasure and love that are difficult to comprehend."

"After this barbaric display, the Jews take the spilled blood, in the

bottle

set in the bottom [of the needle-studded barrel], and the Jewish cleric

makes his coreligionists completely happy on their holiday when he serves

them the pastries in which human blood is mixed."

"There is another way to spill the blood: The victim can be slaughtered as

a

sheep is slaughtered, and his blood collected in a container. Or, the

victim's veins can be slit in several places, letting his blood drain from

his body."

"This blood is very carefully collected - as I have already noted - by the

'rabbi,' the Jewish cleric, the chef who specializes in preparing these

kinds of pastries."

"The human race refuses even to look at the Jewish pastries, let alone

prepare them or consume them!"[2]

[1] In the second part of the article (March 12), the columnist tells the

story of the Book of Esther and concludes, "Since then, the Old Testament,

the Jewish holy book, requires the Jews to glorify this holiday and show

their joy. This joy can only be complete with the consumption of pastries

mixed with human blood."

[2] Al-Riyadh (Saudi Arabia), March 10, 2002.

*********************

Well. This is pretty simple to explain. While the Saudi government supports the war against terrorism, there is a large number of people in their country who are clearly anti-Semitic,and I think this goes back to their education. This can also be said of Americans, who don't know much about the rest of the world and are often ignorant about other peoples' cultures and values. This is why we also have an one-sided media here, portraying everything mainly from the American and not universal point of view.Hope that made sense.

[dusted]

In case you didn't know, the Muslim religion is anti Jew. WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THEY HATE ISRAEL SO MUCH!

I really wish you people would stop believing all this Arab propaganda! IT WASN'T THEIR LAND! GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS! IT DIDN'T BELONG TO THEM TO BE STOLEN FROM THEM!

God alfuckingmighty, why don't you go read a fucking book about the ORIGINS of the conflict? THESE FUCKING ARABS THINK THE LAND IS ONLY FOR ARABS! ISN'T THAT RACIST? WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK ISRAEL HAD TO DECLARE INDEPENDENCE?

Don't any of you see what they are doing? When they FINALLY realized that they couldn't destroy Israel militarily, (after the six day war), they decided to switch tactics, and destroy Israel with propaganda instead. To turn the world against Israel, by constantly harping about these "refugees", that are a product of the ARABS making, since the ARAB nations didn't take in THEIR OWN PEOPLE! They want to keep them being refugees as an open wound so that the world feels sorry for them and puts pressure on Israel. But the goal is STILL THE SAME- THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL!

ISRAEL, in case you didn't know, took in HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Jewish refugees that fled or were expelled from ARAB nations, these Jews left everything, their homes and possessions, which the ARABS took.

More than 50,000 Jews fled Yemen

123,000 Jews fled Iraq

more than 20,000 Jews fled Egypt

100,000 left Morrocco

And many thousands more from Syria, Tunisia, Algeria, etc.

How come nobody ever mentions this?

Israel took in the Jews, The Arab nations should take in the ARABS

The idea of the Palestinians being a separate nationality from the rest of the Arabs did not emerge until 2 DECADES after Israel was created. In 1948, Arab activist Musa Alami said: "how can people struggle for their nation, when most of them do not know the meaning of the word?...The people are in great need of a 'myth' to fill their consciousness and imagination" According to Alami, an indoctrination of the "myth" of nationality would create "identity" and "self respect". But that idea didn't take hold until AFTER the six day war, when they had to change tactics.

When the Arabs talked about Palestine, it was in the context of ARAB land on which a JEWISH state was intruding. In short, the ARABs wanted all the Arab land exclusively for ARABS. The idea of the lowly Jews having their own state infuriated them.

[kramadas]

I think you need to stop believing in all the anti-Arab propaganda, and read some history for yourself.

Originally posted by dusted

In case you didn't know, the Muslim religion is anti Jew. WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THEY HATE ISRAEL SO MUCH!

I really wish you people would stop believing all this Arab propaganda! IT WASN'T THEIR LAND! GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS! IT DIDN'T BELONG TO THEM TO BE STOLEN FROM THEM!

God alfuckingmighty, why don't you go read a fucking book about the ORIGINS of the conflict? THESE FUCKING ARABS THINK THE LAND IS ONLY FOR ARABS! ISN'T THAT RACIST? WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK ISRAEL HAD TO DECLARE INDEPENDENCE?

Don't any of you see what they are doing? When they FINALLY realized that they couldn't destroy Israel militarily, (after the six day war), they decided to switch tactics, and destroy Israel with propaganda instead. To turn the world against Israel, by constantly harping about these "refugees", that are a product of the ARABS making, since the ARAB nations didn't take in THEIR OWN PEOPLE! They want to keep them being refugees as an open wound so that the world feels sorry for them and puts pressure on Israel. But the goal is STILL THE SAME- THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL!

ISRAEL, in case you didn't know, took in HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Jewish refugees that fled or were expelled from ARAB nations, these Jews left everything, their homes and possessions, which the ARABS took.

More than 50,000 Jews fled Yemen

123,000 Jews fled Iraq

more than 20,000 Jews fled Egypt

100,000 left Morrocco

And many thousands more from Syria, Tunisia, Algeria, etc.

How come nobody ever mentions this?

Israel took in the Jews, The Arab nations should take in the ARABS

The idea of the Palestinians being a separate nationality from the rest of the Arabs did not emerge until 2 DECADES after Israel was created. In 1948, Arab activist Musa Alami said: "how can people struggle for their nation, when most of them do not know the meaning of the word?...The people are in great need of a 'myth' to fill their consciousness and imagination" According to Alami, an indoctrination of the "myth" of nationality would create "identity" and "self respect". But that idea didn't take hold until AFTER the six day war, when they had to change tactics.

When the Arabs talked about Palestine, it was in the context of ARAB land on which a JEWISH state was intruding. In short, the ARABs wanted all the Arab land exclusively for ARABS. The idea of the lowly Jews having their own state infuriated them.

[dusted]

I think you need to stop believing in all the anti-Arab propaganda, and read some history for yourself

Tell me one thing that wasn't true.

[kramadas]

For all: here is a great site for info on the conflict:

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/qpalnew/overview.htm

Dusted:

Show me one link or piece of evidence where it says in the Koran that Muslims should be anti-semitic. This is new phenomena born about mostly because of the fight for land.

The land does not belong to them? Heard of the Balflour declaration? How the British govt granted Jews a home INSIDE Palestine?

And what is Israel doing now? Destroying homes of Palestinians because they didn't have the RIGHT PERMITS??? And now more recently, because they were "terrorist centers"? Of course, its going to incite more violence. Would you sit back and watch your home destroyed?

Originally posted by dusted

Tell me one thing that wasn't true.

[dusted]

How do the Arabs have more right to it than the Jews?

And you didn't point out anything that wasn't true.

Jews were always treated as second class citizens by the Muslims.

[dusted]

PS. Is it really a good idea to get all your information from blatantly pro-Arab propaganda websites? After all the people running that site are "the center for Palestinian rights" You don't think they will be biased. Fool.

[kramadas]

Originally posted by dusted

In case you didn't know, the Muslim religion is anti Jew. .

Ummm...look at what you wrote.

Well, the truth is....Israel is now the occupying force (illegal, might I add) - that is the issue at hand. They need to get the fuck out and grant the Palestinians what is theirs.

You see there were supposed to be TWO SEPARATE states.

If I'm right, in another post, you made a remark about "crushing" the Palestinians.

[kramadas]

Originally posted by dusted

PS. Is it really a good idea to get all your information from blatantly pro-Arab propaganda websites? After all the people running that site are "the center for Palestinian rights" You don't think they will be biased. Fool.

Dude, you ARE a moron...thats a fuckin UN site.

[dusted]

This web site is maintained by the Division for Palestinian Rights

© United Nations 2001 Webmaster

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I think its obvious that its biased, dick.

[dusted]

Now, you tell me, in your own words, how it is that the Arabs have more rights to "Palestine" than the Jews.

[dusted]

And while you're at it, you can challenge every idea I presented in my post, and back it up with facts.

[kramadas]

Originally posted by dusted

Now, you tell me, in your own words, how it is that the Arabs have more rights to "Palestine" than the Jews.

Whats the use...talking to you is worse than talking to a wall.

And when did I ever say that they had MORE rights...I said two separate INDEPENDENT states!

[dusted]

That was proposed in 1947, and the Arabs rejected it.

Now, do what I said to do. Challenge every idea in my post, and back it up with facts.

[bigpoppanils]

Originally posted by dusted

How do the Arabs have more right to it than the Jews?

And you didn't point out anything that wasn't true.

Jews were always treated as second class citizens by the Muslims.

just because jews were treated as second class citizens by muslims doesnt give them the right to treat muslims as second class citizens

under the same logic, most whites in the US should be slaves

two wrongs don't make a right

[dusted]

just because jews were treated as second class citizens by muslims doesnt give them the right to treat muslims as second class citizens

under the same logic, most whites in the US should be slaves

two wrongs don't make a right

That has NOTHING to do with what I said. WHAT I SAID WAS, that the Muslim religion, is anti-Jew (and anti Christian)

It is a FACT. I don't care whether its right or wrong, its still a FACT.

[bigpoppanils]

Originally posted by dusted

That has NOTHING to do with what I said. WHAT I SAID WAS, that the Muslim religion, is anti-Jew (and anti Christian)

It is a FACT. I don't care whether its right or wrong, its still a FACT.

yes its a fact, but that doesnt give you the right to treat muslims like garbage

all religions call each other blasphemous (sp) or evil

that is how most of the world's wars have started...by people blindly believing that another religion is evil and needs to be destroyed

[dusted]

That is NOT the point, you jackass.

You know what, I'm extending the challange to you too.

Refute all the points I made in my first post, and back it up with facts.

[dusted]

yes its a fact, but that doesnt give you the right to treat muslims like garbage

all religions call each other blasphemous (sp) or evil

that is how most of the world's wars have started...by people blindly believing that another religion is evil and needs to be destroyed

Actually, most of the worlds wars are nothing but land grabs, religion is just the excuse.

[breaksny]

LOL Y don't u come to my neighborhood where moslems, christians, and Jews all live peacefully and say bigotted crap like that here? That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard on the topic of religion. What kind of idiot r u? LOL I'll check this thread this weekend after I've gone clubbing tonite. U all should probably go out and clear yer heads too. These discussions have gone from the heated and somewhat intelligent to the bigotted, now to the just plain ludicrous. Maybe we should all appoint nycmuzik a moderator or something so we can actually have a dialogue, but I doubt that'll help. O well have a good weekend everyone and someone help sassa find a cheap flight, I'm fresh out of ideas myself. Salam, Shalom, Peace, Ahimsa.

[crobra]

Muslims are anit Jews and christians - First - how is it a fact - is it written some where - are you saying that Jewish religion isn't anti-christian and the christian religion isn't anit jew - all three religions are against each other - otherwise they wouldn't be different religions, there fundamental beliefs are against each other!!

What is the Jewish population in this country - 0.4% - why does $400 of every tax payers dollars go to Israel!! Why do I give fuck about Israel? Damage and death caused in 9/11 is directly related to our support of Israel!! WHY - that is what I ask - I don't dislike Jews or think that the pals are right in all the stuff they do. I want peace in the middle east and hope both sides can coexist peacefully; but, why should the US give a rats ass about this conflict and take a side, when Jewish population is such a small part of the US population. Is supporting Israel worth anymore death in the US do to Terrorism?

A reporter on Nightline reported two days ago that the Israel army was tattooing people - is it true - I don't know, but just the idea of it is pure facism!! Isn't that what the Nazi's did!!! It is time that the US washes their hands of this conflict and stop supporting Israel!! All the people who want muslims dead, go to Israel and join their military!!!