i'm gonna try to input my $0.02 on this debate back in the old SF days, every body was looking towards NYC: an example could be the Ashley Beedle "where are you?" when the guy talk about the Sound Factory on W27th; or have a look at all the cheesy bands named "Sound Factory" during the last 2 or 3 years, clubbing has emerged in Europe: here i'm talking about the club culture in the UK, the "French touch" (Daft Punk, Dimitri from Paris, Respect parties) or the Love Parade in Berlin but i still think NYC rules: Vinyl with DT and B&S, Twilo welcomes Carl Cox and Deep Dish, Centro Fly on Thursdays...i cannot give my point of view on S&D or PVD caus i've never heard them play (let's say D is still regarding DT as an incredible DJ and person) another fact: PVD, S&D owe their famous status to their residency in NYC and because when in the States, they are "the exotic DJs" as DT or AVH are in Europe people are always looking for what they don't have at home: in Europe the big names are American DJs, in the States, you have to be European to be regarded as a big DJ that's all for today :-)