MissDiva

Absolutely - no one's perfect, and no person is ALWAYS going to say everything perfectly. You have to remember- he had been through hours of people giving their 'let me in im so and so' and I know hours of police drama, owner drama, customer drama, and basically EVERYONE bugging him for all reasons- so if he got snippy when telling him to shush, rather than being polite, it's as warranted as it can get - is it the ideal way to tell someone to be quiet - no - but given that he's yelled at and called names all night, you can't really blame him - and same way Kenny brushes most of it off and knows its not person, someone on the line who gets told to leave/shush whatever, should like wise realize its not really personal and thats the way this night/club/job works - sometimes you get the back end of other bullshit that has nothing to do with you. Kenny deals with it all night, every night - ppl yelling at him when COPS SAY do not let ONE person in the door..... so we all have to understand that and sometimes take it as well.......... Also - think about it EVERYONE on that line talked loudly and didnt respect that the cops were there/ mobs were there - THATS what makes noise and in turn, cop issues / complaints. I've been told to shut the fuck up a few times back in the day and I learned a long time ago if everyone just chilled, everyone would get inside a lot quicker / things would move much smoother . PLus - you gotta just suck it up sometimes and respect how crazy the door gets, it goes out of control sometimes and when cops are breathing down your neck, and kids are yelling on the line - it doesnt make you happy And I've actually seen Kenny get upset at people ,and the kids were TOTALLY cool and respectful and 2 minutes later Kenny went over and apologized and let them in. If he's really out of line, or loud, he knows it and admits it, but for the ton of shit he gets while doing this job, he does a pretty good job

.02 cents: ) I worked @ LIFE for 3 yrs...They had complaints throughout the 4+yrs they were open, it happens to every club, but the fact that there were apts over and right next to Life made it worse, obviously. Half the people in the building over us came 3x a week and we comped them all to keep them happy - every time someone complained they ended up drinking there for free that night But at some point not everyone would take that - a few older ppl and then just the sheer number of complaints PLUS the decisions of the owners to succumb ended it after NYE 2000. IT was time to close, its day had passed, and I think anything past that point woudl have been a mistake anyway. The funny thing is , security ALWAYS worked at keeping noise and people organized outside the club for this reasons - then they get called names and talked down to for this, but when the place gets closed for complains, people talk shit - if people hadn't been such assholes for not getting in, and calmed down/stayed sane out on the line, then the complaints wouldn't have been so bad! So its the same ppl that bitch and moan and cause drama at the door that cause it to close down - then say, oh it was b/c of noise complaints! ITs funny how only people who get denied call Kenny names - people who dont appreciate his personality and quirkiness and the much needed tell-it-like-it is, no sugarcoating. In 3 years I can tell you - Kenny RESPONDS to people, he doesnt start it - if he says not tonight, and they respond with but, but, but and hold the line up - you better bet your ass ANY doorman would get pissed. It isn't being a dickhead or asshole, its doing the job, and dealing with the tons of assholes who give HIM a hard time. You guys probably haven't seen many of the complete morons who hold up the line, get loud, get violent, call him names etc etc.... When you dont have that at a door AT A PLACE LIKE THIS, the club goes downhill in terms of crowd for the most part. IF its something like Vinyl/ARC, you can have a much more lenient and open policy, because that's the type of venue/promotion it is. But a huge mega club it different............The minute he lets them in , its ' i love him, what a fabulous person' LOL. He was one of the reasons ppl buzzed about LIFE and buzz about anywhere, one of the last few charachters who brings some creativity and personality to the door, and come on, you HAVE to have cuntiness to do that job. FYI he is one of the most intelligent, well spoken, kind, caring and dedicated people I've ever met- respected staff and guests and clients better than 99 percent of ppl in the industry ever would......& would sit with me for hours at the end of the night when I had to work and everyone else was off..... You have no idea the bullshit you deal with esp on opening night, 2940380492834 people who all 'know' someone and many who are loud, rude, pushing,obnoxious, throwing things etc... And the lies - I remember when I first started there, answering phones and even I WOULD HAVE PEOPLE come say they were my guests, Kenny would bring them in to me and I'd be like WHO the hell is that? LOL He had people try to hit him, throw things at him,we even got half a dozen DEATH THREATS on the phone from ppl who got denied (and its not rocket science - 95 percent of the ppl denied either looked bad, acted bad, or were single guys at the wrong time - hellooooo) and called him every horrible name in the book - JUST because he was doing his job. & his job is not to let everyone in no matter what, it's to DO the door! I never understood why ppl didnt get that - they try to rationalize why they didnt get in "I was dressed good" (subjective) "I had girls" (so?) and "FAGGOT UGLY TRANNY" Well, with that attitude, he was RIGHT not to let you in - jesus lol Sorry just had to put my 2 cents in after working w/ him for years I couldnt let these comments pass BTW King who also does the door is wonderful - much more laid back, still as tough, but great guy!

I was disgusted - and I had just moved from NYC in January and was trying to convince myself of the solid industry events/networking etc down here, and then THAT! oy vey

I went in March, it was HORRIBLEEEE - half full, screaming tourists, industry ppl were horrified, hosts were cracked out, speeches long and rambling, weird ppl winning awards, no coordination/organization, and puffy running around and screaming like a CHICKEN. EW!

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Just said in another post - 5 minutes into any gay event and I get 2, 3 ,4 sweet, fabuloud, wonderfuly amazing comments/compliments, "gorgeous" werk the outfit honey... and various other friendly hugs and smiles and "hi's" ........ 5 mins into MOST str8 events and I get looked up and down snottily by some women, booby-ogled by men, and ass grabbed by cheese guys....... there's something to be said for gay men/events.......too bad so many ppl haven't figured it out just means more for us hehehe!

jaysea & musik - again, exactly some ppl WONT get it, and im just glad Im surrounded by ppl who do ( isnt that HOW we determine who we're surrounded with) Funny, some of the happiest club moments for me were in a sea of gay men at 10am, 20-45 everything from an unemployed waiter to millionaire doctor to the current str8 boy I brought for everyone to drool at hehe! I spent yrs at Fact from jonathans beginning - about 1998 and even worked there for 14 months - had some amazing times, loved a million things about those yrs, and met my now best friend there- however - a lot of elements JUST CANNOT COMPARE to a gay fueled event or the gay crowd. I get some of the most amazing and heartfelt wonderful comments and compliments after 5 minutes in a gay club, and in a str8 place I'd usually get snotty looks from a girl and ass grabbed by a guy the minute I walk in. WHY DONT PPL LOOK at those factors when comparing....

<---listening to WEEP... I have about 100 of these tracks on my comp.... im 25 and already all about 'back in the day" LOL! Musik do I know you?

whoever said "JV does not like you b/c you're a woman he does not want lesbians or bi-girls there...he just wants gay MEN" wrong, wrong and 10000x wrong. Myself (and a ton of other str8/bi/whatever women) have been @ jr's parties consistently for 10+ years - close woman friend of mine is a close friend of his, he has had a few woman assistants over the years, promoters, etc - I've had the MOST warm and inviting and positive reception and welcome into every single event of his - never a female issue (yes, I am with gay men, and yes, had I been a drunk giggly girl cheesed up with 10 girls and a limo, things would be different - but who can BLAME him for not wanting that? Its the stupidness/cluelessness/drunkness and wrong focus of PEOPLE - men or women - that he hates) 10 + years and every club from orig SF to Tunnel to Arena to Twilo and everything inbetween...never an isssue, the best parties I've attended, best friends I've met, became close with many of the regulars/staff members of his camp as well as the venues he spun at....a bunch of the producers he works with, NEVER a negative word/issue/comment.........ever. So just as much as everyone complains about a "fish" comment that they hear through the grapevine --- what about the ppl like me and every other woman who's had a similarly WONDERFUL experience over all those years? Surely if im saying this, there are many more women who are in the same boat (I know about 25 personally) Its HOW ppl act - man woman gay str8 - whatever--- if there were drunken musically clueless loud ppl in a club I was spinning at , I'd throw shade and turn cunty too! Again I dont agree w/ everything everyone does - hes done some un necessary things for whatever reason ( and is he not allowed to have bad moods and bad days - his MOTHER died and he spun a 20+ hour set the same night - HES ALLOWED to be human and emotional ! dont we all get bitchy sometimes as well? ) There are many times where hes wonderful - promotional things ,in record stores, hanging out at an afterparty, with friends.. and no one hears about that - they only hear about the 'fish comment'................ Again musik - right- there's more violence and hatred in some of these STUPID comments to us women on THIS post than I've gotten from any gay party - ever. lol........

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The funny thing is that you can either pick out all the negative things about ANY party, or concentrate on having fun - lol - I could bitch about the issues in a gay event, bitch about the issues in a straight event, (I acutally like the anything-goes events - my best nights are as the lone str8 girl in a sea of gay men lol ) or just stop complaining and enjoy yourself........Its not a competition for gods sake lol...... And you are right about the PR issue - the boards/internet is for 'fun' to people who aren't working in the industry, but it is a huge factor of many ppls careers/advertising/reputation etc - all it takes is one person to monitor and moderate whats being said about a DJ or whoever, to keep the negativity and BS away - if they can't spend the effort/time/$ on that, it reflects poorly.... you're not expected to change the world or an entire group view, just explain and clear up anything related to the company/person you're representing - just like every other company does and why PR businesses exist.. muzik.. thanks I live in southbeach now, but will def check out that party... I graduated from factory once on 27th, again in 1998 and have been in hibernation since Twilo closed

Im not talking legal or illegal, I pointed out I am aware of the free speech issue - i am talking about someone saying "if they dont like it tough shit" Why is it tough shit to the gay man dealing with someone calling him a faggot or a black man being called a n-gger....its the issue of the person saying these things, and as legal as it may be to make a comment, that doesn't make it RIGHT or moral or respectful...THATS what i meant. And as much as I understand how JR infuriates ppl by turning music off, calling women fish etc (yes its cunty, yes it can get annoying, but yes I understand as an artist and DJ (who is in a position and in an industry/environment where they have power to do different things as crazy and fucked up as they may be) Im a woman who has been going to JR parties for 10 years and whos been influenced positively by the gay community in a million ways, the few times a door guy gets cunty w/ women or JR turns off a turntable are irrelevant to me or people who are there for the music, experience, and a hundred other reasons. No he doesnt want a thousand women or certain type of str8 crowd, but believe me hes embraced many women/str8's dependent on how they are influenced by his music and parties - not so much gender (he has 3 close women friends and MANY str8 friends) it comes across 100 times worse when all you hear about are the few cunty incidents and base your opinion on that. Not saying everything he does is right, but just saying as a woman it never affected me and shouldnt affect anyone who truly is there for the right reasons...Its not degrading or disrespectful its more of his own personality and attitude coming out in that environment as a general - not calling women names individually or disrespecting, people who know the jr type environment /tone/ entourage know its much more play and show than seriousness.....(of course turning off music I dont agree with - thats a disrespect to the crowd, so that i do think was wrong... but not a make or break issue when the mans been spinning for what, 30 yrs!) Oh and about 'never changing peoples views" its not about one person changing EVERYONES views its about each person having a voice and TOGETHER starting to change and better society.. one of my favorite quotes from a friend in HS who was the first guy to come out (back in 94 it was still hush hush) "It's better to light one candle than to curse the darkness.".

someone said: "if a person feels a certain way they can say what they are feeling- if that offends some people tough shit"\ So - By your theory, racist and homophobes and nazis are allowed to degrade others and TOUGH SHIT if people dont like it??? Yes, free speech, yes, free to voice opinion, but NO - if it's racist, homophobic, or otherwise degrading/hurtful/beyond an opinion on something related to a sensitive topic such as race/relgion/gender/sexual pref.

I love when people post idiotic things that prove me right "I win" "go away son (gag!) " "Shut up" & "seems like babble" -- not only SCARY, but the immaturity and defensive tone is classic when you need to fill your comments w/ useless words (aka have nothing constructive to say and aren't making sense) and displays the exact type of ignorance and cluelessness I spoke of.........next! I truly feel bad that some people actually believe the things they do sometimes & that they go so far as to actually convince themselves they are right.....Sadly its those types of ideas and attitudes that add to the intolerance and negativity against gays (and any minority group for that matter) BTW Im sure someone gay reading this who might have an issue/emotion related to this debate- would NOT appreciate a joking/non joking comment(s) like the ones here - its not a joke or to be joked about - and is extremely emotional and important in many peoples lives. To go through the type of descrimination and issues with family/friends/jobs/society and then to have people say "un learn it" or "you learned to be gay" when many ppl KNOW That wasnt the case for them - has got to be the most hurtful thing to deal withl...Seems some ppl are more concerned with them proving their OPINION as right and totally miss the point here... Muzik- couldn't have said it better!

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muzikchick & redzinger, yes, yes & yes x 10000....just letting you know people are reading and appreciating what you are saying (And are similarly frustrated w/ the 'other' POV here. lol) First....zeeker who are you to determine ANYHTHING as 100% true or not true? Who are you to take the entire topic/issue at hand and tell the world what is fact and true? Even if studies WERE 100 percent conclusive, this is a very emotional, mental, psychological and INDIVIDUIAL issue, that has so many factors and variables that change with each person.....There are many issues where studies show this or that but doesnt mean EVERY person and issue is one way because of what the study shows! Don't you see this is something that can be determined overall by each person - with or without whatever study/evidence? Person A is gay, lets say for argument sake down the road a study shows there is evidence you ARE born with a certain pref, but person A still feels they became gay well into their life....is he wrong just beacuse a STUDY says something that he doesn't feel applies to him? hmm... AND WHY WOULD ANYONE TELL gay people to UNLEARN who they are and what they feel? Are you kidding? Someone said 'why dont they just stop being so gay" OMG - thats like me saying "why dont black people stop being so black" its WHO YOU ARE and while it isnt something tangible like race, it is part of someone, why anyone would say UNLEARN a part of yourself is ridiculous (whether you believe it is learned or not ) BE HAPPY be who you are and be a good person, that is what is important. Gay straight bi tranny whatever.............I cannot believe there are people in this world that are so ignorant! Personally I believe it is a combination of both, but is VERY individual. I believe in the 'born with it' side and I think there ALSO are many environmental factors that contribute. Whether a 2 yr old knows hes gay or a college kid comes home and comes out at 18, both sides of this issue contribute and EACH person has a diff life, experience, reasons,factors, beliefs, etc etc....I tend to believe genetics is a strong part, but I don't necessarily have the right to say its the MAIN or ONLY factor. I do however believe that if ONE person says they were born this way and knew forever and just KNOWS , then that's a avalid enough point/proof for me that the genetics issue is true - to whatever extent it is influential in each case varies, but true. Gay people dont need or make excuses why, explaining their experience and feelings with their sexuality and coming out etc etc is just a PART OF THEIR LIFE , just as anyone. The only negativity that comes is when they are forced to defend themselves and deal with people who tell them gay is wrong - how can you tell someone what they LIKE and FEEL is wrong, (yes I understand the religious aspect, but again that is taking one persons beliefs and making another persons beliefs wrong based on yours... ridiculous) I could go on forever but I just had to respond - btw saying "im winning" in this discussion proves the level of thinking and ignorance and unwillingness to comprehend this on a mature and knowledgeable level. ITS NOT ABOUT WINNING it is about being a supportive, educated, good hearted and respectful human being..regargless of your beliefs on the topic (and remember, YOUR beliefs are yours..and no other person should be put on the defense or put down because of them!)........You dont need to know about studies and science to respect people across the board no matter what gender they prefer to fuck and love

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nooooo we just moved to a new place- this one was my boyfriends apt

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LOL thanx, i could go on for hours on the topic (or about any topc for that matter

Ok have to add my 2 cents It is all dependent on what type of person you are - what degree nightlife is important/influential to your life and career (aka if you work in the industry, if you're a complete night/afterhours person, or if your main social life activity is clubs/music etc) There's a HUGE difference between an occasional lounge person, and a go out 3 times a week + marathon afterhours person - and 100 different levels in between. Working in the industry adds a whole different factor - population, laws, investors, turn around time, job openings - those fluctuate with location which in turn makes one location better career/$ wise for some people, and other locations better for others - beyond just a personal opinion. And again some people like the fast pace and plethora of EVERYTHING of NY, and some people woudl rather have a slower, less cut throat environment, it's totally individual. What's better to one person might be miserable to the next.. And as we age , our opinions change what was amazing at 18 doesn't cut it at 25 etc etc.. I grew up in NY, and lived in Manhattan from 1997-Jan 2003 when I moved to SoBe. I worked consistently in clubs for about 90 percent of that time, so for me nothing can compare to the $, opportunity and people - but someone growing up in Miami or LA in my situation would most likely say that about whatever their home town is. There's more opportunity and places but more competition for those jobs , and more drama/mess. My boyfriend does lighting 4 clubs down here and has built up a good amt of experience/reputation so its relatively easy to get work.....but in NY he'd have 100 other qualified lighting guys trying to get the same job - and while he would prob make more, cost of living is more, so it would even out overall... The one concrete + about NY is the crazy amt of creativity, new ideas/places/HUGE choice music wise, and location/venue wise. I love SoBe, but after living in NY It doesnt do much for me variety-wise. For me I am driven by the madness and change and constant flow of new places, people, ideas, craziness - that is what makes everything interesting and motivates me and drives me to want to work in the business. But as much as NY is ideal for me for that reason, some people may be turned off by that, and deterred by the shadiness and mess - and might do better in calmer, less nuts place........ There is much more $ put into a lot of places in NY which is a plus, as soon as something fails its bought and turned into something new, it keeps you on your toes.....Sometimes the masses make something fail (aka exit as someone already mentioned) but the followings of some dj's are a nice consistency - aka JR, Jonathan, Victor, etc - the promotion teams and DJ's will always have a home even if its random and smaller (JR) and a little cheesy (Jonathan) you ALWAYS have that choice. I find you need to struggle a little bit down here to find your niche and (at least for me) NY kind of pushes you and throws 100 things at you which is great to have....Again that's just My opinion but I think many people into music and the nightlife really value the excess of NY and after leaving for a while end up coming back / appreciating NY more. Even in Ibiza ( i spent a month there in 2001) was crazy, different, amazing experience- you do appreciate NY after leaving!!! Then again I am always pushing the issue of timing - from 1994-98 the old Limelight/Disco 2000, USA, Palladium/Arena, Robots, etc era - was unreal in terms of laws, music, freedom, new ideas, people, etc - and all that was changed by the post 98 slump, closing of Palladium/Arena, LAWS /Guli, and just a general tired-ness of everyone and generation change.....For me, I could never have the same times I had back then in the 2000's so that 'era' is totally over for me, but someone 18 would feel differently....Same as SoBe was huge years ago , every place goes up and down......... There are pros and cons about every place...I can tell you 100 things I love about NY and 100 things I hate, same as Miami, but its just that overall personal preference - where you feel at home and what drives you - what type of person u are......When I lived in NY a lot of ppl would complain about it and praise SoBe, a lot of ppl down here lives for NYC and complains about Sobe, the grass is always greener In terms of the ppl who are FROM NYC, its really hard to leave permanently -- but ppl who arent from there would find it a little overwhelming and oversaturated, so where you grew up is an influence as well... Sorry for the rambling

yup i am on sebbatical Much needed break from NYC for a while..... Andy, dont make me feel bad for playing housewife I still see ppl from Life all over - even down here. Crazy! ~ Rene

Sorry - have to come out from under my rock and give some info - Life was my job/home for almost 3 yrs and have to add my 2 cents lol The owners (a dad and 2 sons) got out of the club business in NY and took up business elsewhere - they have nothing to do w/ Spa/Plaid The director and about 80 percent of LIFE staff moved over to run Spa/Plaid....totally different owners tho.