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yea i live in NB, one day i'll graduate and be able to go to those 5 star restaurants.... Def looking forward to platinum this fall since it's so damn close, i just hope they get their shit together and be a little better then they were last year.

good point, i dunno why i even give a shit , i don't even like the place that much

i'm relaxed:D Its just that i can't stand stupid statistics being quoted here and there when they have no relevance in the real world. Date rape issue i don't know too much about but i still fail to see how rutgers has a higher date rape percentage then anywhere else. It might have something to do with higher reporting rate for certain reasons, but i doubt that date rape is higher here then anywhere else, it's prob more acceptable to report it here then maybe at a small school? dunno just a guess. As far as new strands of STDs floating at rutgers, just cause they might have discovered a new one at rutgers doesn't mean anything, all that means is thats its been discovered there, if there's really shit floating around rutgers like you say then all of jersey should probably be a little worried since rutgers students come from all over the state. just my 2 cents...

i've heard that too, i'd love to see the method they used to collect that info. If you know anything about statistics, you know that statistics is BS, that shit can be skewed to make anything look good or bad by the group thats collecting the data. It's rather interesting since every four years there is a new group of kids coming into the school and yet we constantly have the MOST STDs and date rapes....hmm.....looks like another BS statistic to me

if the survey was based on GHB use i'm sure rutgers would make it into the top 10

can't stand painkillers, they just never did it for me

G is pretty good at perking me up too, and if i really feel like shit i just take enough to sleep the day away. Wake up here and there to go to the bathroom and eat, and take some more.

if he didn't drink anything then don't be scared, it's normal. My ex did a lot of twitching before she passed out, it's normal. It seems as if the people that are trying to fight it keep twitching trying to stay up.

the one time i went i spent an hour waiting on line outside in cold ass whether trying to get in with the line barely moving,when i did get in it wasn't even packed, WTF was that about? Were they trying to make the club look cool by keeping everyone out? If they do get it going it'll be nice since i' live right in NB

taken from http://209.15.30.217/products/OTrenewtrient.html ANALYSIS by Paul Anacker, J.D. The FDA is a rogue, out-of-control bureaucracy. In the past, in its war against dietary supplements, it has threatened people with criminal prosecution for claiming that anti-oxidants prevent disease. It has made giant food companies take words as innocuous as "ask your doctor" off cereal boxes. It has instigated guns-drawn, Gestapo-like raids on 80-year old health food store owners. The American people might have thought they finally put an end to that absurd oppression and won the war with the DIETARY SUPPLEMENT HEALTH & EDUCATION ACT (DSHEA). But, for the FDA that was only a challenge to find new ways to subvert the will of the American people. Now the FDA has falsely taken the role of protector of date-rape victims in a cold and calculated strategy to use the basic human revulsion for a despicable crime of violence in order to further its agenda. It has been waging a campaign of lies and mis-information to create emotional hysteria in order to get Congress to do politically what it can't do legally - classify a dietary supplement, gamma-hydroxybutyrate (GHB), curiously both as Schedule I (meaning it has no medical use) and Schedule III (requires a prescription), in a "DATE-RAPE DRUG ACT." You can fool some of the people. The FDA has fooled the media with cleverly worded press releases about GHB and its related products, gamma-butyrolactone (GBL) and 1,4-butanediol (BDO). It has fooled most members of 21 state legislatures by making sure only its "experts" presented testimony at hearings. Now it's trying to fool Con-gress by making sure the only information members receive is from FDA-invited "experts." But the FDA has not fooled everyone. In a series of FDA lawsuit losses, federal courts have lambasted the FDA's reasoning; calling it "absurd" and "almost frivolous." 1 The Government Accounting Office (GAO) has questioned FDA regulations because of the "limitations and uncertainties associated with the agency's scientific and economic analyses."2 The Honorable F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr. (R-WI), Chairman of the House Science Committee, recently stated, "I am concerned about the apparent lack of scientific data behind the FDA's actions." Chairman Sensenbrenner further stated, "(T)o use such poor science for a dietary supplement raises warning flags for the other products the agency regulates." 3 GHB is a product for which the warning flags should be raised about FDA "science." Here are some FDA lies about GHB: FDA Lie #1 - GHB is a drug GHB is a simple carbohydrate found naturally in every cell of the human body. GHB is both a metabolite of and precursor to an amino acid consumed daily by millions of Americans - gamma aminobutyric acid (GABA). DSHEA clearly states that metabolites of amino acids are dietary supplements. The FDA's label of GHB as a "drug" is a lie. The language it uses, to lead the media to label GHB as a "synthetic designer" or "date-rape" drug, is gross misinformation. FDA Lie #2 - GHB has no medical uses The FDA "experts" know they're telling a lie when they state GHB has no medical uses. In 1974, the FDA approved an Investigational New Drug (IND) application for GHB that discussed 15 medical uses. GHB has been used safely to treat cataplexy, insomnia, narcolepsy, depression, alcoholism, and opiate addiction, and to stimulate natural growth hormone release, to name a few. FDA Lie #3 - GHB is hazardous Patients in the IND trials are handed large containers of GHB; told to take doses of 2 to 8 grams; and to come back when they need more. Something the FDA would NOT allow if it truly believed GHB was "hazardous." Substance Tylenol EtOH NaGHB Std. dose 1 gm 2 oz 2 gm Lethal dose 10 gm 20 oz 300 gm Safety Factor 10:1 10:1 150:1 The comparative safety of GHB is shown in the table at the top of this column. The data (from Medline research) is from scientists doing primary research; unlike FDA "experts" who give opinions based merely on anecdotal reports. The data shows sodium-GHB (NaGHB) is far safer than acetaminophen (Tylenol) or alcohol (EtOH). National Toxicology Program reports on the GHB related substances GBL and BDO contradict the FDA's "science." FDA Lie #4 Even the FDA contradicts the FDA. It has released a number of "Talking Papers" stating it has received reports of adverse events and deaths "associated" with GHB, GBL and BDO. When Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests have been made for copies of those reports, the FDA's FOIA office has written that the FDA has no such reports. FDA Lie #5 - GHB is highly addicting The 30 years of primary research reports prior to 1990 and the IND reports all state GHB is non-addicting. In the FDA-supervised studies on narcolepsy, no patient has ever become addicted to GHB. The scientific record is clear: When GHB is used responsibly it's not addicting. In fact, it is used to treat addiction to alcohol and narcotics. FDA Lie #6 - GHB is a "date-rape" drug Date rape is a very serious subject. So, it's important to use science and reason when discussing it. However, it's such a traumatic topic that most people are more influenced by emotional hysteria than reason. The FDA knows this and plays upon that hysteria. The use of any substance to facilitate date rape should be a crime. And that's already the law in many states. GHB and many other substances the FDA has approved for insomnia can be (but rarely have been) used to facilitate date rape since they can cause a deep sleep. But that's no reason to label GHB a "date-rape" drug any more than Nytol, Tylenol PM, or Benadryl. There are a few substances which truly should be labeled as "date-rape" drugs. They enable a perpetrator to keep a victim conscious, but easily compelled to engage in sex. They cause a victim to forget what happened while under their influence. And they clear from the body fairly quickly, making their detection difficult. The only attribute GHB has in common with those substances is it clears from the body quickly (and safely), as carbon dioxide and water. But, GHB does NOT cause a person to remain conscious, engage in sex, and then not remember what they did. The FDA's constant and repetitive linking of GHB together with those substances diverts attention from counseling people on the real dangers of the substance used most often to facilitate date rape, alcohol. The FDA's single-minded focus on GHB demeans victims by ignoring far more serious and more wide-spread risks. It is tokenism the FDA uses in a very base manner to further its agenda. FDA synthetic designer "science" In the 1980s, GHB was available in health food stores. GHB containers had labels with dosage instructions and warnings. People were using it safely for many health purposes. In 1990, a private-sector pharmacist made an "amazing" discovery. Just 3 years after finishing her residency, Ms. Jo Ellen Dyer "discovered" what world-class scientists had "missed" for 30 years - "GHB poisoning!" What she really "discovered" was alcohol poisoning. Alcohol and GHB are metabolized in the body by the same enzyme, alcohol dehydrogenase. If GHB and alcohol are co-ingested, the toxic effects of alcohol are increased. Alcohol poisoning, NOT "GHB poisoning" (sic) causes coma and seizure. [state prosecutors pay Ms. Dyer up to $9,000 (taxpayer dollars) as a fee for an hour of testimony about her "discovery." Not much incentive to want the truth known about GHB.] Without holding hearings to ascertain the validity of this "discovery," the FDA simply issued a press release "ban" of GHB on Nov. 8, 1990. Fearing FDA Gestapo-like raids, health food store owners took it off their shelves. Unable to obtain GHB in health food stores, people bought "street" GHB. It didn't come with labels. Without the benefit of the labels, more people unwittingly took high doses of GHB with excessive amounts of alcohol and ended up in hospital emergency rooms. Doctors, "educated" by the FDA about GHB symptoms, made reports of "GHB poisoning" that were more "politically correct" than scientifically accurate. The FDA used those reports and its press release "ban" as the basis of briefings for state legislatures and law enforcement personnel. It made sure non-scientific people got the "right" picture. And the FDA hit upon its unsavory strategy of "associating" GHB with "date-rape" drugs. Suggested Congressional action A rush to schedule a dietary supplement, under the guise of a "date-rape" bill, without scientific debate, is a poor basis for public policy. Before depriving millions of Americans of dietary supplements sold in hundreds of health food stores, Congress should take the time to listen to testimony from experts knowledgeable about the full scientific record on GHB. The requests of those experts to be heard have been ignored by the FDA. If Congress doesn't take the time, the FDA will have succeeded in manipulating Congress into doing politically what the FDA couldn't do scientifically. This will make a mockery of DSHEA and all the work the American people put into getting it passed. References: 1 see, e.g., Pearson v. Shalala 164 F3d 650. 2 "Dietary Supplements: Uncertainties in Analyses Underlying FDA's Proposed Rule on Ephedrine Alkaloids" (available at gao.gov). 3 Press Release 106-71, 1999 Aug 4. 4 Toxicology Reports TR-406 and TOX-54 at http://ehis.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/docs/ 5 Private correspondence of Ward Dean, M.D. 6 "Prevalence of drugs used in cases of alleged sexual assault" J. Anal. Toxicol. 1999 23(3), 141-146. Preston Publications. The writer of this message, Paul Anacker, J.D., is a private attorney. He is a former Chairman of Lawyers in Mensa International (1979-1991). He has been a consultant to several dozen MDs and JDs on the medical and legal aspects of GHB and related substances. He has received no payment from anyone for writing this message (except contributions to subsidize the cost to place it). More details of FDA lies about GHB are in "GHB: The Natural Mood Enhancer" co-authored by Ward Dean, M.D.,a West Point graduate and former flight surgeon for Delta Force. Information can be found at http://www.ceri.com and http://www.smart-publications.com

j something is wrong here, you started at 7.5% and cut 35lbs?

thanks for you input, i'll take it into consideration sunday.

does that really happen that often? who the hell would just slip someone G. I don't even like to give that shit out to people who want it, i wonder what the hell the person thats walking around slipping it into drinks is thinking "Here, let me see if i can get this guy really fuct up...":confused:

i agree it means you've gone over you limit, and it def doesn't make you weak. Stupid maybe, but not weak. There's certain drugs that no matter how mentally strong you are, that WILL take you down.

juice. There's def nothing wrong with steroids.

true and false, if it's a stand up company they'd have a lot more to lose by greatly mislabeling their products. Like a good rep, so if you go with one of the top companies you should be fine.

don't waist your money on GNC stuff, you can get your supps at www.dpsnutrition.com a lot cheaper. They take about a day to deliver the stuff to your front door... Protein of choice is ProLab Whey Strawberry/Choclate. Both are good... For weight loss nothing you can buy over the counter can beat clen.

good, thanks for making me feel like not such a crackhead. I have those nights too, but def not when i'm going to a club, if i'm spending 30 bucks to get in, i'll spend another 100 or so on drugs. All or nothing for me:D

It's good, i can't drink like most people so a little bit of G by itself is not a bad thing at all.

been there done that, i'll save the K for sat, and throw some adderals, and a few E pills in the mix as well just for you buddy. Thanks for the suggestion. Convulsion with G and K? K's not necessary for that purpose, in right ammounts G can handle the job just fine.

I always wanted to race people, but my rational side always stepped in. The 8 point or some crazy amount of point ticket, insurance surcharge, endangering my life and the life of others, stupid classes that you'll be forced to take, fines, for what? There's not even or a trophy or a medal. Self gratifcation, fuck that, if someone pisses me off i'd get much more gratification of giving him the finger then bobing and weaving in and out of traffic to prove who's tougher. A kid my age that i knew from school died going mmuch slower then 100mph by losing control and crashing into a tree, just goes to show that noones immortal. sorry for the rant...

i wish i could go and do that, the closest i've come is go out and take a little bit of G, not enough to get fuct up but def enough to loosen me up a little. Prob the equivalence of 2 beers if compared to alcohol

I wish i didn't get so fuct up, but i def enjoyed the parts that i remember....people, please don't mix alcohol and G, EVER! That shit will get you too banged up

this right here sounds like a perfect plan, G out at around 2, wake up at 6 or so, be at the club by 7. Nice, i get the best of both worlds.

you guys are so damn inspirational(sp?)