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  1. Originally posted by sweetie029

    Ok....some people yes are completely content with opening their closet & pulling out the first thing they see....other people spend time on this kind of shit BECAUSE THEY LIKE TO...some might do it all the time...some might not...the same as a girl wearing a tight pair of pants will just as easily be bothered by a girl wearing all baggy clothes (but the girl wearing the baggy clothes won't be called "hot" or "sexy" but instead a dyke or "she dresses like a boy" but these people are CONTENT with the way they look..it's not like women go shopping and say "Ok, I'm going to buy a real nice tight pair of jeans so every guy I see will notice me" you shop..you see what you like & what your comfortable in..hence thats why people have different tatstes in clothing etc. I'm not saying tight jeans are in itself "expression" IT'S EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT TOO

    Okay, so you like to spend time on style... I understand that.

    Now, I'm not saying that you're going to wear tight jeans so that guys will notice you (though I think some women do that)... but I do think you have a reason for buying them. You say you like them... sooooo.... what do you like about them?

  2. Originally posted by mangledx

    cuz they want to..... everything in life doesn't need an explaination....

    This thread was in response to people saying that style is a form of self-expression.

    There is no SELF-expression without "self"... so what is the self that is being expressed???

    Originally posted by mangledx

    and if your not the one wearing it...who cares...

    That type of logic could be applied to 99% of the threads on these boards.

    I'm just curious...

  3. Originally posted by sweetie029

    it can express your mood, how you feel about yourself, and own personal taste & what you like..

    These are exactly the things I'm trying to get at!

    What kind of mood --> tight clothes?

    What kind of self-image --> tight clothes?

    What kind of taste --> tight clothes?

    What kind of interests --> tight clothes?

    "Because they feel like it" completely avoids the REAL question, which is, WHY do you feel like it?

  4. Originally posted by velvetgoldmire

    I know that I'm not the one this question was directed towards, but why does anyone where what they where? Comfort, or they like the way they look in the outfit, or there's a certain taste in clothes that they like. People want to look good, and yes, want attention for the way they look, or they want to stand out as an individual for how they dress, or they want to fit in with how they dress. Our society puts a lot of stock in images. So, if you like the attention, then enjoy it, if you don't like it, try not to let it get to you.

    As I said in the other thread, my question is targeted at people who say that style is a form of self-expression... call it image if you will... in that case, women who wear tight clothes are trying to portray a specific image. I want to know what that image is, FROM A WOMAN'S PERSPECTIVE.

    I find it amusing that tastyt is the only woman who's responded so far, and she didn't even answer the question...

  5. Originally posted by phatman

    can you imagine if someone wore something just because they liked it or liked the way it felt against their skin or for no reason at all...just because their mood and emotion said, "today, i feel like wearing the tight jeans..."

    No, because my question is specifically targeted at people who say that style is a form of self-expression.

    What is being expressed? That's what I want to know. I really am curious, and I'm not trying to prove a point at all.

    That's why I started a new thread for my question!

  6. Originally posted by tastyt

    Umm, yeah I did read your post. I'm not answering your question because by answering it, it means there's a reason for it to be asked. In this context- I don't think there is a reason.

    And as Sweetie and I both pointed out... you don't have to be wearing anything tight or revealing for guys to harrass you...

    You keep bringing the harassment thing into this... forget about that... I really am curious what sort of self-expression is involved in wearing tight clothes. I'm not trying to prove any point related to this thread. That's why I started a new thread -- to take it out of this context.

  7. Originally posted by tastyt

    Copy of my post from the other thread:

    You know what, I'm not even going to justify that question with a response. People should be able to dress the way they choose without being harrassed. Am I wrong for wearing tight jeans? No. Is someone yelling shit at me, embarrassing me while I'm walking down the street wrong? Yes. End of story.

    Do you ask the men who enjoy being assholes why they don't just stay in the house if they can't keep their fucking mouth shut??? Would you consider my case stronger if I listed incidents where I was not dressed "provocatively" and yet was still harrassed???

    Please don't bring that drama into this thread. I'm asking an honest question.

  8. Originally posted by tastyt

    You know what, I'm not even going to justify that question with a response. People should be able to dress the way they choose without being harrassed. Am I wrong for wearing tight jeans? No. Is someone yelling shit at me, embarrassing me while I'm walking down the street wrong? Yes. End of story. Do you ask the men who enjoy being assholes why they don't just stay in the house if they can't keep their fucking mouth shut??? Would you consider my case stronger if I listed incidents where I was not dressed "provocatively" and yet was still harrassed???

    That's all I have to say on this because this thread has turned into complete bullshit.

    Wow, did you even bother to read my post, or were you just looking for an excuse to vent?

    <~~~ Convenient scapegoat?

    I'm not saying it's right for them to harrass you.

    I'm not saying it's wrong for you to wear tight jeans.

    I'm just telling you: that's the way it is -- you can't make them stop, but you do have a choice in how to respond to it.

    Anyway... why are you avoiding my question? You'll defend your right to wear tight jeans to the death, it seems, but you can't explain WHY you want to wear them?

    Here: http://bbs.clubplanet.com/showthread.php?threadid=116337

  9. Originally posted by gabo

    I went over this already. I didnt mean a holiday as in a day where we fire up the grill and invite 25 of our friends over and drink till dawn. I meant it as a day off (this year only) so we can pay our respects.

    Yeah, but your opinion isn't the only one being discussed! :tongue:

    Originally posted by dgmodel

    the govt. has their hand in the drug markets...

    Yup, the government has a long history of involvement with drugs. Been reading up about the link between LSD and the CIA. Funny shit... hard to imagine all those suits running around tripping balls and recording their experiences in the name of national security...

  10. I see a lot of women who wear tight clothes but don't like the harrassment that it encourages. They say they should be able to express themselves however they want.

    So... if style is an expression of self... then what sort of expression is it to wear tight clothes?

    Just curious... not passing judgement at all...

  11. Originally posted by tastyt

    Ehhh... I was gonna say something but I think my other post covered it well enough without having to start ranting...

    Originally posted by hoke

    I'm not saying this applies to ALL women

    Okay?

    But... you didn't answer my question... I really am curious. Regardless of whether or not you get harrassed, what kind of expression are you making when you wear tight jeans? Why is it so important to you?

    Fuck it, I'll start a new thread.

  12. Originally posted by sweetie029

    I understand your point...BUT just because a girl wears tight fitting jeans she should go out & expect to be harrassed ? :confused: A person should be able to express themselves however they desire (this happens through style) THERE IS NO EXCUSE for that kind of behavior...there's a different between flattery and straight up rudeness..Of course a girl loves attention..but at some point there is a line drawn

    Well, knowing what you know about men, how could you expect to NOT be harrassed? You wear tight jeans KNOWING the consequences. If you really wanted to, you could make guys stop harrassing you by not wearing clothes that accentuate your physique. Not saying it's right, but that's the way it is...

    I'm curious now... not passing judgement at all, mind you... what sort of expression are you making by wearing tight jeans?

  13. I don't think people are really taking the time to consider what tastey's saying...

    On the one hand, shouting stuff at girls IS disrespectful, and I'm sure it does bother them some.

    At the same time, there has to be a sense of satisfaction in being able to say, "Oh, I hate it that I get hit on all the time, just because I'm so pretty!" And how many women wear clothes that ENCOURAGE this behavior, knowing FULL WELL what they're getting into? I've known plenty of girls like this. Hell, I dated one for two years. As much as she complained about being hit on, there was NO WAY she was going to change her clothing to make all that ATTENTION go away!

    I'm not saying this applies to ALL women, but there are PLENTY that it does apply to.

    VGM: I've been approached like that (well, had my ass grabbed at a party) and I *was* annoyed... but I was also flattered by the attention.

    As always, the truth is somewhere in the middle...

  14. Originally posted by donstyles

    Sorry about the grammer, got alittle carryed away... But the war on drugs? If the president actually went to congress to aprove for military action on drugs then i guess im wrong.

    It's still referred to as a war, and government resources are allotted to it. Keep in mind that Vietnam was never declared a war, either. It was a "police action."

    Regardless, don't get caught up in the political posturing. The term "war on terrorism" is a convenient term to rally public support. The war is really against any Middle Eastern groups that have exercised violence against the U.S. We are not fighting terrorism, the abstract concept (we can't possibly hope to abolish that); we are fighting known terrorists.

    But even if you were right, how on earth does a declaration of war merit a national holiday? That's the most horrible reason for celebration I've ever heard!

  15. Originally posted by tunnelbandit

    Well did you ever think that maybe I'm your friend's neighbor's brother?

    Ok I have to go down to the dry cleaners and get my suit for the luncheon.After lunch me and danwilson have a meeting with some neighborhood association. You should see the speech he has written for this one.We got this in the bag already.

    Oh, well it must be true then!

    Is it true that Oakenfold is spinning opening night?

  16. Originally posted by jroo

    hoke, do you believe how we keep getting skipped over? nice choice with "time"

    Yeah, it's ridiculous. Nobody loves me. :( I liked your choice too! ;)

    splat -> paintball

  17. Originally posted by tunnelbandit

    I am the current owner of the space in which Crobar is being built.Once we get through all the red tape and stuff like that I plan on opening up sometime next summer.

    I also will be having a luncheon with my good friend mayor Bloomberg to discuss the citys' standpoint on my venture.

    Thanks for the support.....

    *details to follow*

    Liar! My friend's neighbor's brother is the owner of the space where Crobar WAS to be built, and he assures me that they're turning the space into the world's largest adult cinema...

    Get your facts straight... :rolleyes:

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