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Anyone tape this. They took the 6 hour mix off the site. It was on the site the first couple of days.

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I saw a show on Oprah about this. Your testosterone level is probably low. You need to boost it up. They have prescription drugs for this.

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Is Sexxybabyd still dating Justin? I kind of got the impression there not........ from that Daily News thread about SF.

So there's a possibility Project will be there. Isn't there someone from Exit that can tell us straight out. WILL HE BE THERE OR NOT?

Is Exit giving refunds? I already bought tickets. I paid to see Project.

Sounds like a good record store.

Loni Anderson from the 70s

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Read this headline Palestinians Kill Two 'Collaborators' in West Bank. This was the headline in Reuters Saturday. How does Reuters know they were collaborators. Was there a trial? The nerve of the gangsters who call themselves the Palestinian Authority to "demand" that they be "given" land to create and independent Palestinian "state!" These people are murderers: They meet out justice like the Mafia. Any so-called Palestinian State will be nothing more than a pirate state, serving as a breeding ground for still more thugs than we already see infesting the place (al-Aqsa thugs, al-Fatah thugs, Hamas thugs, etc, etc, ad infinitum). These two Palestinian "collaborators" were gunned down without any trial. For all we know, it was a grudge feud, or an organized crime hit, or someone who was believed to be meddling with someone else's wife/girl-friend. But we shall never know. We will never hear their side of it. They have been snuffed out -- and not by the big, bad Israelis --but by their own "brothers." By the way: Don't mention that the Palestinian Christian community is systematically oppressed by Arafat and his merry band. But I forgot, Christians and Jews are always expendable in the world of Islamofascists/Leftists

http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=old§ion=current&issue=2003-03- 22&id=2908 The new anti-Semitism Melanie Phillips says that hostility to Jews is strongest among those on the Left who claim to be fighting racism Want to make yourself really, really unpopular if you’re a Jew? Try saying that the world is witnessing a terrifying firestorm of hatred directed at Israel and the Jewish people, in which the British and Europeans are deeply implicated. Since it is now a given in many circles that Israel is a threat to the world equal to North Korea, and that Ariel Sharon is a cross between Martin Bormann and Hendrik Verwoerd, you will find yourself accused of using the Holocaust to avoid any criticism of Israel’s behaviour. Because, well, you know, you Jews always stick together and are mighty quick to deal that persecution card. ‘Robin Cook, unfaithful yet again.’ Anyone who holds that view may as well skip what follows. More objective and fair-minded souls, however, might be deeply alarmed to learn of the evidence provided at a recent conference on anti-Semitism and the media at the Vidal Sassoon Centre for the Study of Anti-Semitism in Jerusalem. This was scarcely a gathering of the Ariel Sharon fan club. Among academics and journalists from Israel, Europe, Britain and America were several left-wingers and liberals who were deeply hostile to Israel’s Likud government, believed that the settlements should be dismantled, and were troubled by the behaviour of some of Israel’s military. ‘There’s no doubt that Israel is committing human-rights violations on the West Bank,’ said Professor Yehuda Bauer, the distinguished Holocaust expert. But there was equally no doubt, from what he and others said, that anti-Zionism is now being used to cloak a terrifying nexus between genocidal Arab and Islamist hatred of the Jews and deep-seated European prejudices. Anti-Semitism is protean, mutating over the centuries into new forms. Now it has changed again, into a shape which requires a new way of thinking and a new vocabulary. The new anti-Semitism does not discriminate against Jews as individuals on account of their race. Instead, it is centred on Israel, and the denial to the Jewish people alone of the right of self-determination. This is nothing to do with the settlements or the West Bank. Indeed, the language being used exposes as a cruel delusion the common belief that the Middle East crisis would be solved by the creation of a Palestinian state. The key motif is a kind of Holocaust inversion, with the Israelis being demonised as Nazis and the Palestinians being regarded as the new Jews. Israel and the Jews are being systematically delegitimised and dehumanised — a necessary prelude to their destruction — with both Islamists and the Western media using anti-Zionism as a fig-leaf for prejudices rooted in both mediaeval Christian and Nazi demonology. This has produced an Orwellian situation in which hatred of the Jews now marches behind the Left’s banner of anti-racism and human rights, giving rise not merely to distortions, fabrications and slander about Israel in the media but also to mainstream articles discussing the malign power of the Jews over American and world policy. The Jerusalem conference heard chilling presentations about a phenomenon barely discussed in Britain: the virulent Arab and Muslim hatred of the Jews. This goes far beyond even the desire to finish off Israel as a Jewish state. Anti-Jewish hatred plays a crucial role in the fanatical jihadism that now threatens all of us in the West, pouring out in television programmes, newspapers and religious sermons throughout the Arab and Muslim world, and amounting to a new warrant for genocide. The dominant message is that Jewish power amounts to a conspiracy to destroy Islam and take over the whole world. Truly mad theories circulate on Islamist Internet sites which have now convinced untold numbers of Arabs and Muslims that the Jews were behind both 9/11 and the Columbia space-shuttle disaster. Egyptian television transmitted a 41-part series which presented the notorious Tsarist forgery, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion — which purported to be a Jewish plot to control the world — as the truth. (This has prompted some Arab intellectuals to condemn such propaganda as both untrue and a tactical error, but these dissidents remain a small minority.) Meanwhile, Saudi media and religious sermons incite the murder of Jews. According to the Arabic scholar Professor Menachem Milsom, this Arab and Islamist propaganda persistently dehumanised Jews by representing them as apes and pigs. A preacher at the totemic Haram mosque in Mecca said the Jews were ‘evil offspring’, the ‘destroyers of God’s word’, ‘priest murderers’ and the ‘scum of the human race’. The mediaeval Christian blood libel — the claim that the Jews kill children and drink their blood — has surfaced time and again in prestigious Arab newspapers. And Zionism was equated with Nazism; just as the Nazis believed in the superiority of the ‘Aryan’ race, so Zionists (sic) believed they were the chosen people, which justified their own military expansion. This equation was not confined to a marginal few. Abu Mazen, said Milsom, the Palestinian Authority intellectual who is being talked about as Yasser Arafat’s prime minister in a ‘reformed’ administration, wrote as much in his doctoral thesis — in which he also said that the Zionists gave the Nazis permission to treat the Jews as they wished so long as this guaranteed their immigration to Palestine. These sick outpourings are not so much religious or even fundamentalist doctrines as rooted in a fanatical totalitarian ideology. As Professor Bauer observed, the driving aim is the Islamic dictatorship of the world. Realisation of this utopia necessitates the destruction of the foundation creeds of Western culture, Judaism and Christianity — and especially Israel, the supposed personification of Western global power-lust, which was planted as an incubus on Arab soil as a result of the Holocaust. Holocaust denial is therefore central to Arab anti-Semitism, the prejudice which such historical falsehood has helped to forge a strategic alliance with Europe. For it absolves Europe of its guilt over the Jews, and replaces it with European guilt towards Arabs displaced as a result of the Holocaust. Europe has waited for more than half a century for a way to blame the Jews for their own destruction. So instead of sounding the alarm over genocidal Islamist Jew-hatred, Europeans have eagerly embraced the Nazification of the Jews, a process which really got under way with Israel’s disastrous invasion of Lebanon in 1982. This marked the beginning of the media’s systematic inversion of Israeli self-defence as aggression, along with double-standards and malicious fabrications, which have nothing to do with legitimate (and necessary) criticism of Israel and everything to do with delegitimising the Jewish state altogether in readiness for its dismantling. So the conference heard about German accusations that Israel was using Nazi methods and (repeating a claim by Hamas) that the Monica Lewinsky scandal was a Jewish conspiracy against Bill Clinton. It heard of the Nazification of Israel in Sweden, where there were charges that the Israelis were exterminating the Palestinians, that the media were controlled by Jewish interests to suppress criticism of Israel, and that influential Jewish lobby groups were ‘spraying journalists with poison’. It heard that in France Jews were vilified and excluded from public debate if they challenged the lies being told about Israel. It was shown a devastating French film Décryptage (Decoding) — which has been playing to packed houses in Paris — about the obsessive malevolence towards Israel displayed by the French media. It was told about the way the British media described Israel’s ‘death squads’, ‘killing fields’ and ‘executioners’ while sanitising Palestinian human bombs as ‘gentle’, ‘religious’ and ‘kind’. It heard about the cartoon in the Italian newspaper La Stampa during the siege of the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem, depicting an Israeli tank pointing a gun at the baby Jesus who is saying, ‘Surely they are not going to kill me again.’ And of course there was Jenin, the so-called ‘massacre’ or ‘genocide’ reported as such by virtually the entire media, where in fact 52 Palestinians died, of whom more than half were terrorists, while Israel sustained (for it) the huge loss of 45 of its soldiers. This astonishing media distortion was conceded at the conference by the (extraordinarily brave) Palestinian politics professor Mohammad Dajani, who also observed that a distraught Palestinian public was — on this and other occasions — whipped up by biased and emotional Palestinian reporting which showed little concern for the truth. But the big lie of the Jenin massacre is now believed as fact, contributing to the belief that Israel is a criminal state. Europeans have thus made themselves accomplices to an explicitly genocidal programme. But an even more striking feature is that, while the old anti-Semitism still festers away among neo-Nazis, the new anti-Semitism is a phenomenon of their sworn enemies on the political Left. So, as the Canadian law professor Irwin Cotler observed, we now have the mind-twisting situation where anti-Jewish hatred is harnessed to the cause of anti-racism and human rights, with Israel being compared to both Nazism and apartheid by those who define themselves against these ideologies. Such a travesty of the facts involves, of course, the implicit denial of the truth of those terrible regimes, quite apart from the prelude to annihilation created by such a lethal defamation of Israel. And even more counterintuitively, many Jews and Israelis on the Left also subscribe to this analysis — and even to the demonology of Israeli Nazism and apartheid — handing an effective weapon to those who dismiss the claim of a new anti-Semitism as Jewish paranoia or Islamophobia. So what is the explanation for the Left’s position? Partly, it’s the old anti-imperialist and anti-West prejudice. Partly, it’s the view that only the powerless can be victims; so Third World people can never be murderers, and any self-defence by Western societies such as Israel must instead be aggression. Partly, it’s the post-modern destruction of objectivity and truth, which has ushered in the hegemony of lies. And partly, as the Left takes an axe to morality and self-restraint, it’s a golden opportunity to pulverise the very people who invented the damn rules in the first place. A left-wing Polish journalist at the conference, Konstanty Gebert, got the real point. The Left, he said, could not face the fact that they had totally misconstrued the Middle East because this would undermine their whole philosophy. This was founded on the premise that reason could reconcile all differences; all that was needed in Israel was an enlightened government for reason to prevail. The evidence that we are facing a phenomenon which is not susceptible to reason would destroy that world view. It would also give credibility to the hated Sharon, whose demonisation is absolutely vital to the Left as a protection against the implosion of its whole ideological position. So the evidence is being denied, and truth is being stood on its head. The result is the defamation of a people, the greater prospect of its destruction, and the disastrous failure of the populations of Britain and Europe to understand properly the threat that all free peoples now face. Melanie Phillips is a Daily Mail columnist.

The Arabs continually initiate the violence - the Israelis have not fired the first shots. Do the Palestinians expect not to be fired back on? Its ok for them to blow up school children and civilians intentionally? Someone please explain to me....... how the Israelis could possibly live next to such a violent people. I personally don't see how it can be done at this point. All I see is the Palestinians provoking war and using any method they can to get all of Israel. How can there be peace among a people, that have no value for men women and children. Palestinian children get shot, because Islam recommends this. Their fed "martyr glory" stories, and their own grown MEN send them out in front of themselves!!!!! Look on TV today. 700 Palestinian children marching in Gaza burning American flags......... chanting we will give our blood for Saddam. Who teaches this hate. Even Bassboy a radical leftist..... I would hope you would protest this child abuse.

Coco24 your comments are right on the money. The war against Israel you see going on, was fueled by Arabs and paid for by radical Arabs and Iran who benefit from this fight by taking the media coverage away from their own cutthroat, murdering ways within their own borders - Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Egypt are good examples of this. Judging by the depravity of their behavior Palestinians deserve nothing other than continued hardship. Certainly, they deserve no state, because it would be a terrorist state based on killing civilians. Gandhi and MLK exemplified peaceful, honorable, ethical forms of protest, and both triumphed. Palestinians try to force their agenda through war crimes while at the same time screaming that THEY are the victims. There is no greater personification of evil than that of Islamic demogogues who use religion to inflame the passions of the mindless exhorting them to commit murder against civilians and calling it martyrdom. The demogogues usually succeed in stealing vast sums of governmental money, benefitting from the money themselves while the masses live poverty. Welcome to Arab culture. This is the model for life in Arab countries.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/news/print_030903_nw_gibson.html Gibson Family Under Fire for Anti-Semitism. LOS ANGELES — Mel Gibson and his parents are under fire today from a leading Jewish group for reportedly anti-semitic impulses in the former's new film and the latter's denial that Al Qaeda executed the Sept. 11 attacks. The actor's father, Hutton Gibson, told The New York Times he flatly rejected that the terrorist group led by Usama bin Laden had any role in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon Sept. 11. "Anybody can put out a passenger list," the elder Gibson told The Times. "So what happened? They were crashed by remote control." He and the actor's mother, Joye Gibson, also told The Times that the Holocaust was a fabrication manufactured to hide an arrangement between Adolf Hitler and "financiers" to move Jews out of Germany to the Middle East to fight Arabs. "Go and ask an undertaker or the guy who operates the crematorium what it takes to get rid of a dead body," Hutton Gibson told The Times. "It takes one liter of petrol and 20 minutes. Now six million?" Said Joye Gibson: "That weren't even that many Jews in all of Europe." Rabbi Marvin Hier, head of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, shot back. "To bigots and antisemites, no amount of evidence of scientific proof is ever enough. In their world, only hate matters." The comments from the Gibson family come just after the actor built a church in near Malibu that caters to a revisionist version of Catholocism. According to The Times, the church has a congregation of 70, including the star of such films as "Braveheart" and "Conspiracy Theory." Mel Gibson, a devout Catholic, is directing and co-wrote an upcoming movie "The Passion," rooted in a theological movement known as Catholic traditionalism that seeks to return the faith to its pre-1962 period, before the Pope issued what is known as Vatican II, a series of proclamations that did away with the notion that Jews were responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus. "If the new film seeks to undo that," Hier told The Times, "it would not be uncovering truth. Rather, it would unleash more of the scurrilous charges...directed against the Jewish people, which took the Catholic Church 20 centuries to finally repudiate." Copyright © 2003 KABC-TV and the Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

If Exit does open again .........there will be a shit load of cops there.

Most foreign news agencies have Palestinians on the payroll who provide information, set up interviews and serve as fixers—guides in the dangerous Palestinian Authority territories. Who’s Behind the News? Few people are aware that most of the news coming out of the Palestinian territories is reported by Palestinian journalists—thereby putting an obvious slant on much of the information. This is especially true of television pictures beamed around the world, taken mostly by Palestinian cameramen who work for big international news agencies such as Reuters and the Associated Press. The reason is simple. Most foreign journalists are based in Jerusalem, and the people taking the pictures during Israeli raids and curfews are naturally Palestinians who live in those areas. The same is true of the wire service reporters and stringers who provide the breaking news from the Palestinian areas to foreign news agencies in Jerusalem and around the world. They are Palestinians who are there, on scene. “This being the case, it’s not surprising that the foreign media have an anti-Israel point of view,” says Roni Shaked, a leading Arab affairs expert at Israel’s biggest newspaper Yediot Ahronot. “Palestinian journalists have just one goal and that is to make Israel look bad in the eyes of the world,” Shaked told israel today. “By contrast, almost no Israeli correspondents work with the foreign press.” Palestinian ‘Media Management’ Most foreign news agencies have Palestinians on the payroll who provide information, set up interviews and serve as fixers—guides in the dangerous Palestinian Authority territories. “The foreign news agencies have no choice but to hire Palestinian producers,” says Daniel Siemen, the director of Israel’s Government Press Office (GPO). “That’s why Israel looks so bad in the foreign media.” Siemen told us that the Palestinians manipulate the media by deciding where journalists and TV crews should be, and when. One example, he says, is Marwan Barghouti, the arch-terrorist now on trial in Israel. “Barghouti informed three leading foreign networks of the exact time that his people would begin shooting from Beit Jala [near Bethlehem] into Jerusalem,” said Siemen, who has been GPO director for two years. “The TV crews did not film the Palestinians shooting; they were only allowed to film the Israeli response.” Dr. Ron Schleifer, an expert in psychological warfare at Bar Ilan University, concurs. “As soon as Israeli soldiers saw foreign journalists arriving at certain locations, they knew that something was about to happen,” he says. “The foreign news agencies are aware of the fact that in the PA areas there is no freedom of the press, but it doesn’t bother them. They have to cooperate with the Palestinians if they want to receive hot news tips.” Schleifer says there is enormous competition among the foreign media to be at the right place at the right time and get the scoop. “The Palestinians don’t tell foreign press agencies what they should report, but about what to report. We call that media management.” Europe’s Anti-Israel Bias Siemen, the GPO director, points a finger at the BBC, the Spanish and the French as the worst offenders when it comes to anti-Israel reporting. To illustrate the point, he refers to an incident during Israel’s Defensive Shield offensive in Judea and Samaria last spring. When the Palestinians claimed that Israeli soldiers killed a priest in Bethlehem, none of the agencies bothered to check the veracity of the report, which could have been done with a short phone call to local Vatican representatives. Instead, the major European news outlets went with the story. By the next day, everyone knew the story was a lie, but by then it was too late. “European journalists report every allegation by the Palestinians against Israel as if it is irrefutable fact,” said Siemen. “As a result, their reporting is partly responsible for the rising wave of anti-Semitism in Europe.” Prominent Israeli author and peace activist Amos Oz also accused the Europeans of anti-Israeli bias. “If I were to see Israel through the eyes of the European media,” Oz said, “I would get the impression that 70 percent of the population are soldiers, 29 percent are fanatic settlers in the West Bank, and one percent are wonderful intellectuals who work for peace.” “I often hear Europeans say that in light of the grief and suffering of the Palestinians, their ‘resistance’ is understandable,” Oz continued. “On the other hand, they say the Jews have suffered so many horrors during their history that no one understands how they could now be so violent. This means that when the Palestinians resist, one can understand their violent acts, but if the Jews do the same, one cannot.” Staging the News In an interview with the Jerusalem weekly Kol Ha’ir, Siemen said the Palestinians have no qualms about staging the news. “While the Israeli army destroys empty Palestinian houses in its pursuit of terrorists, one sees pictures again and again of little Palestinian children sitting with dolls and toys in the ruins,” he said. Such scenes are very easy to improvise, especially when Palestinian journalists receive about $300 for a “good” photo job. Last April the Palestinians kept telling the world that 500 Palestinians were killed in Jenin. When the Palestinians counted the people killed in Jenin, it was only 55. Then the Palestinians started having fake funerals in Jenin to make it like more Palestinians were killed. In one incident captured on tape, dozens of Palestinians are carrying the supposed body of a dead Palestinian to his funeral. When a BBC cameraman videotaped the incident, all of a sudden the dead person jumped off a stretcher. In a similar event, A Palestinian photographer who works in northern Samaria (Jenin, Nablus and Tulkarem) admitted that he had fabricated several pictures of children and parents on the ruins of demolished houses. “Naturally, these houses were empty when they were destroyed by Israeli soldiers, otherwise we would have photographed the dead bodies,” he told the newspaper matter-of-factly. Furthermore, Palestinian journalists know better than to publish anything that might offend Yasser Arafat. “Those who criticize Arafat do it only in Arab papers abroad,” said Roni Shaked. “Since Arafat assumed power in the Palestinian areas in 1994, he has been dictating the agenda of the Palestinian press.” Many Palestinian journalists have been intimidated and punished for criticizing Arafat. Israel’s Dilemma As head of the Government Press Office, Siemen has a tough job trying to counter the media bias against Israel. While Israel supports freedom of the press it has to draw the line somewhere. “Because Israel is in a crisis situation, we have to look after our own interests,” he says. “On one hand I have to represent the interests of my country, and on the other I have to present a positive image of Israel to foreign journalists.” Siemen has vowed to confront the foreign reporters who spread disinformation about Israel. A while back, the correspondent for Abu Dhabi TV was expelled after reporting that Israeli troops summarily executed five Palestinians in Ramallah. In fact, they were gunmen killed in a firefight when soldiers raided their hideout. For security reasons, the GPO no longer hands out Israeli press cards to all Palestinian journalists, as it used to. “Foreign news agencies would order press cards from us, which they would give to Palestinians who are not necessarily reporters,” said Siemen. “The press card helped them pass through Israeli checkpoints.” Recently, two Palestinian photographers were detained on suspicion of smuggling ammunition in their press vehicle into the Palestinian areas. One worked for Reuters, the other for the French news agency. The Foreign Press Association has loudly protested over Israel’s reluctance to issue press cards to Palestinians. Ironically, this is the same foreign press that accepts and cooperates with the Palestinian system of “media management.”

The Left's Support for Palestinian Terror By J.D. Cassidy February 24, 2003 http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=6304 Among the myriad of anti-American causes that have spilled into the leftwing cesspool known as the "peace movement," support for the bloodthirsty Palestinians is perhaps the most disgusting. To the left-wing America-haters who constitute the new "anti-war" movement, being "pro-Palestine" somehow translates into being "anti-war." Never mind the fact that the Muslim radicals who attacked America on 9-11 used Palestinian suicide bombings in Israel as a model for their sinister plot. The American left views Palestinian radicals as "freedom fighters," therefore liberating "Palestine" has become one of the central battles of the new "anti-war" movement. To ensure that fledgling radicals know which position to take in regard to the Arab-Israeli war, the website of the Workers World Party (WWP)- the Stalinist cult that bankrolls the current "peace" movement- lays out plainly how all good lefties should view Israel. The website contains hundreds of articles filled with anti-Jew vitriol, and loathsome denunciations of the "Imperialist" Jewish state. Another radical organization that is active in the "peace" movement actually arranges for leftwing malcontents to travel from America to Israel. There, the radical Jew-haters carry out plots to sabotage the Israeli Army's peacekeeping efforts. The group's website boasts photographs of the left-wing thugs whom it sponsors engaged in physical confrontations with Israeli soldiers. This dangerous organization, called "The International Solidarity Movement," has chapters in Massachusetts, New Jersey, Michigan, Washington and Sweden. The movement to "liberate Palestine" is a movement that defines itself by its hatred of Jews and a violent desire to spill their blood. The American and international left, however, chooses to ignore this cold fact. It instead throws its weight behind the Palestinian "liberation movement" because it believes that the Palestinians are "oppressed" by the Israelis, whom the left considers agents of "Western Imperialism." The left believes that the warfare in Israel is a "cycle of violence," rather than an offensive terrorist war against Israeli civilians. It believes that Israeli soldiers are to blame for the ongoing warfare- that when the Israeli military moves into a Palestinian village to root out terrorists, it is not attempting to stop future terrorist attacks but is instead taking "revenge" on out-gunned Palestinians. The left has been on the wrong side of every important issue in history. Its position on the Arab-Israeli war is no exception. The best way to understand what it means to be "pro-Palestine" is to look at the agenda of the Arab organizations that are working for "Palestinian liberation." Since its inception, the PLO has taken part in hundreds of terrorist attacks against Israelis. In recent years, Arafat has paid lip service to a Palestinian desire for peace, but the PLO's ambition to drive the Jews into the sea continues. Consider, for example, a statement that Arafat made in the aftermath of a recent suicide attack in which 29 Israeli civilians were slaughtered at a Passover celebration. Referring to this attack, the bloodthirsty Arafat prayed: "Oh God, give me martyrdom like this. We are all potential martyrs, the whole Palestinian people." In a speech in Sweden in January 1996, the Palestinian leader declared: "You understand that we plan to eliminate the State of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian State. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion; Jews will not want to live among us Arabs!" In September 2002, Arafat stated "By Allah I swear that the Palestinian people are prepared to sacrifice the last boy and the last girl so that the Palestinian flag will be flown over the walls, the churches, and the mosques of Jerusalem." Arafat's statements are right in line with the attitude towards Jewry that prevails among Arab leaders and officials. In a letter to President Bush and the United States Congress, a member of the Consultative Council of Saudi Arabia, named Amhed al-Tuwaijri, actually had the gall to openly defend suicide bombings. In the letter, dated April 16, 2002, the Saudi official writes: "When young men and women offered their souls for the sake of freedom and independence and in defense of their religion, dignity, self and family, the United States could not find anything to describe these great sacrifices except to say they are terrorist, criminal actions." I suppose it should not be surprising that a Saudi official would make such a horrific statement. Saudi Arabia, after all, is a nation that recently held a telethon, during which one hundred million dollars was raised for Palestinian suicide bombers. Support and encouragement for suicide attacks against innocent Israelis is also commonplace among Palestinian clergy. On April 12, 2002, in a televised sermon that was delivered from a mosque in Gaza City, an Imam of the Palestinian Authority unleashed the following message to his Arab disciples: "Anyone who does not attain martyrdom in these days should wake in the middle of the night and say: 'My God, why have you deprived me of martyrdom for your sake? For the martyr lives next to Allah.'" He then continued: "Oh Allah, accept our martyrs in the highest heaven." "Oh Allah, show the Jews a black day." "Oh Allah, annihilate the Jews and their supporters." "Oh Allah, raise the flag of Jihad across the land." Not only do Arabs encounter suicidal messages in their mosques, but Palestinian children are actually bred, through schooling, to rejoice in the slaughter of innocent Jews. Consider the following line excerpted from a Palestinian schoolbook, "I will take my soul into my hands and hurl it into the abyss of death." Or this line, taken from another textbook: "Beware of the Jews, for they are treacherous and disloyal." Or this line from the PLO teachers guide, which is placed under the heading "important values" that should be instilled in Palestinian youth: "Wrath to the alien thief [israel] who obliterated the Homeland and dispersed its people." It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the Palestinian liberation movement is about killing Jews. There is no effective voice of moderation among the Palestinian leadership or clergy. There is nobody in the Palestinian community who is effectively promoting a peaceful solution to the Arab-Israeli war. To the terrorist organizations that are leading the movement to "liberate Palestine," the possibility of living side by side with Jews is unthinkable. In their minds, the Jews are infidels who deserve to be driven from the Middle East through a bloody Jihad. To put this all into perspective it is necessary to look at the historical roots of the Palestinians' war against Israel. Prior to the First World War, what is today called Israel was part of the Ottoman Empire and was known as Palestine- though it was not considered the "nation" of Palestine. Nor were the Arabs who lived there considered "Palestinians." They were considered- and they considered themselves-"Arabs." In the aftermath of WWI, the Ottoman Empire, which had allied with Germany, was divided up among the British and French victors. The area then known as Palestine came under British rule. During this period, the area known as Palestine experienced an influx of European Jews. In the wake of the holocaust, a movement for a Jewish nation-state garnered support from the United Nations. Throughout the 1930s, as the rise of Hitler catalyzed intensive Jewish immigration to the area of Palestine, tensions between Jews and Arabs escalated and two attempts by the British, in 1937 and in 1939, to divide the land between Arabs and Jews were rejected. The Arabs rejected the first attempt, and the Jews rejected the second attempt, which would have restricted the rights of Jews to immigrate and own land. At the close of World War II, an acceleration of fighting between Jews and Arabs in this area prompted Britain's decision to turn the problem over to the United Nations, which supported the creation of a Jewish state. On May 14, 1948, Britain officially withdrew from the area and Israel was declared a nation. On this very day, five neighboring Arab countries- Egypt, Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, Iraq and Syria attacked Israel. Amazingly, the outnumbered Jewish nation was able to beat back its Arab foes and a peace treaty was signed in 1949. When the war ended, Egypt was in control of the Gaza Strip and Trans-Jordan had annexed the West Bank (these territories were later won by Israel in the 1967 war). The Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) was formed in 1964. From the outset, the PLO stated that its ultimate goal is to drive the Jews into the sea. The destruction of the state of Israel was actually laid out plainly in the PLO Charter until PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat ordered it removed in 1993. Arafat, however, still wears the official sign of the PLO - a map of the future state of Palestine - on the sleeve of his military uniform. This map shows Palestine encompassing the entire land of Israel. This is the goal of the PLO: to destroy Israel and replace it with an Arab nation called "Palestine." Among the leadership of the Palestinian liberation movement Yasser Arafat is actually a moderate voice. This is a man who funds terrorism and publicly encourages (in Arabic) his followers to carry out suicide attacks against innocent, defenseless Israeli men, women and children. Arafat is a man who walked away from peace talks in 2000 after then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered to give the Palestinians 99% of the land that they demanded. Arafat did not accept Israel's concession for one reason: in Arafat's words, "Peace for us means the destruction of Israel." Until terrorist groups like Hezbollah, Hamas and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade are brought to heel; until the PLO ceases funding and encouraging terrorism; until there is a deep change in the cultural attitudes of Palestinians, the Arab war against Israeli will persist. Innocent Israeli civilians will continue to be blown to pieces by Jew-hating Muslim radicals; children will continue to be incinerated in their school buses; babies will continue to die in their strollers on city sidewalks; old men and women will continue to be slaughtered by madmen in street-side cafes. These are the realities of the Palestinian "liberation movement." The next time that a Western "peace" demonstrator feels compelled to pick up a Palestinian flag and wave it in the air, he should take a look at the news photos of Jewish bodies strewn across Israeli streets and think about what he is actually supporting.

DJXeno, Judging by the depravity of their behavior, Palestinians deserve nothing other than continued hardship. Certainly, they deserve no state. That state would be a terrorist state based on killing civilians. Gandhi and MLK exemplified peaceful, honorable, ethical forms of protest, and both triumphed. Palestinians try to force their agenda through war crimes while at the same time screaming that THEY are the victims. There is no greater personification of evil, than that of Islamic demogogues who use religion to inflame the passions of the mindless exhorting them to commit murder against civilians and calling it martyrdom. The demogogues usually succeed in stealing vast sums of governmental money, benefitting from the money themselves while the masses live poverty. Welcome to Arab culture. This is the model for life in Arab countries.

The fact is that this conflict is EXISTENTIAL- NOT TERRITORIAL. The Arabs dont accept Israel within ANY borders, and THIS is why Arafat didn't sign on the dotted line in 2000. The real reason Arafat didn’t want to make peace at Camp David. Arafat felt having his own state meant nothing to him, compared to the thrill of killing Jews. The PLO assumed that Israeli society couldn't tolerate a conflict, where Israeli civilians were murdered on a daily level; that Israel was weak- that they would capitulate to Arab terror. Now, what has Sharon done? He fought back on THEIR terms. The World reacts to Jews defending themselves, as though the Palestinian terrorists are the victims. I say to you. "Would you tolerate a neighbor orchestrating, funding, and blessing homicide murderers targeting your civilian population? Would you tolerate a situation in which women and children were being blown to pieces in your cafes, pizzeria's and shopping centers? Would you tolerate street side celebrations by your neighbors, frequently displayed on your TV screens, rejoicing at the carnage that they had inflicted on your people?" The Palestinians insisted on war. The Israelis have bent over backwards to try to accomodate the Palestinians including the best deal ever offered to Arafat by the Israelis during the Clinton Administration. All olive branch offered by the Israelis have met with more and more suicide (homicide) attacks. Arafat and his henchmen prefer to keep his position as head terrorist and dictator in order to keep "his" people poor, miserable and angry and to insure his swiss bank account stays fat with EU $$ - sad but true. There is no democracy anywhere in the Arab world and this is equally true for those civilians under the PA control. Until the Jew hating idiots on the left understand, that the Arabs want to destroy Israel and Israel doesn't want to be destroyed. I do not blame the Israelis at all. If you suffered a 9-11 attack on an almost daily basis like the Israelis do, at some point you will not be so agreeable, diplomatic or willing to offer a olive branch. The onus is on the Palestinians to stop killing Israeli civilians. But this will never happen, because Arafat is obsessed with implementing his phase by phase plan to destroy Israel. The PLO was founded in 1964 to destroy Israel. Go read there charter! This is when the Arabs had all the disputed lands. Arafat went into detail in 1996, how he planned to ethnic cleanse and destroy Israel in 1996. Go read Arafat's speech in 1996. http://www.iris.org.il/quotes/stockhlm.htm "In October of 2000, with the help of Clinton, Israel offered Arafat an independent Palestinian State, 97% of the West Bank all of Gaza, Arab sections of Jerusalem and 3 percent of Israel. Arafat refused and the Palestinians started their homicide/suicide bombings and their latest attempt to destroy Israel." In fact, the Palestinians broke the Oslo Accords precisely because of Israeli generosity, because the government of Ehud Barak offered to meet 100 percent of their demands, including turning over half of Jerusalem to their control -- a possibility once considered unthinkable. These concessions confronted Arafat with the one outcome he did not want: Peace with Israel. Peace without the destruction of the "Jewish Entity. I read something that 1999 was the only year that no Israeli civilians were killed by Arab terrorists in Israel. In that year, 99 percent of Palestinians were living under Arafat's rule. Not one time did Israel go in any Palestinian city in 1999. This is not to hard to figure out. Israel wouldn't go in one Palestinian city if the Palestinians stop killing Israeli civilians. Everytime Israel leaves a Palestinian city, what happens, the Palestinians resume terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians. This forces Israel to go back in these cities. Israel withdrew ELEVEN times from the West Bank to effect a cease-fire. Each time Israel was attacked by suicide bombers who massacred Israeli civilians in Israel. The Palestinian Authority failed to arrest them, and instead paid their families awards. Arafat even named streets after them as "martyrs". How can anyone take seriously, Arab leaders that encourage terror attacks against civilians? You see, when someone wants to destroy you and kill your civilians. When you have 70 percent of Arabs who support homicide bombers against Israeli civilians. When you have Palestinian terrorists groups that refuse to sign an agreement, not to target Israeli woman and children. What do you expect Israel to do? When you hear about all the Israeli civilians being massacred. Thats only the Palestinian terrorist atrocities that got through. You know how many bus massacres, cafe massacres, Israeli security forces prevented. When Israel was making peace with Egypt. How many times did Israeli soldiers attack Egypt? Zero Times. When Israel was making peace with King Hussein. How many times did Israel attack Jordan? Zero times. They didn't attack them, because Egyptians and Jordanians were murdering Israeli woman and children, like Palestinian terrorists are. I'll ask if, if everytime Israel leaves a Palestinian city and the second they leave, Palestinian terrorists from the city then massacre Israeli civilians. What do you expect Israel to do? If you dont know, its Palestinian terrorism which is forcing Israel back in Judea and Samaria. The Israeli military goes into a Palestinian village to rootout terrorists and to attempt to stop future terrorist attacks There is a big difference in initiating violence and reacting to it. The vast majority of the violence and killings have been initiated by the Arabs. If the Arabs (Palestinians) would not initiate violence, the Israelis would not react with violence. Now, is that so hard to see or understand? Israel targets Palestinians terrorists who send homicide bombers and gunman, who go into Israeli college cafeterias, night clubs, restaurants, felafel stands, buses, and hotel lobbies full civilians, and deliberately massacre hundreds of innocent Israeli civilians. I saw this from 2 weeks ago, which explains exactly what i'm talking about. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1043152787039 Several Palestinian officials from different groups have already arrived in Cairo for the conference. PA officials said the conference was expected to end in failure after most of the Palestinian groups announced that they would not halt their attacks against civilians inside Israel. Can you imagine that, these Palestinians wont sign an agreement not to target woman and children in Israel. You couldn't find me a Hindu, Budhish, Jewish or Christian leader that wouldn't sign an agreement not to target innocent civilians. Only the murderous Arabs wont sign it. Nothing will change for the Palestinians, because its not about their state its about destroying Israel. The Pals live in bad conditions, because their leaders keep them in it, not because of Israel. Its not in the Pal leaders best interest, to normalize life for their people. If they did, there would be no need for them. Here are the basic facts. Its the Palestinians who refuse to sign a ceasefire, not Israel Its the Palestinians who refuse to sign an agreement not to target civilians, not Israel. Read this. Mofaz: Arafat gave 'green light' to suicide attacks Friday, January 31, 02, Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent Information directly linking Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat to terror organizations was presented Friday by Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz. Addressing the Economic-Social Club in Nes Tziona, Mofaz charged that Arafat had instructed the heads of the organizations to kill more Israelis. Referring to a never-before publicized conversation between Arafat and the leaders of the terror groups in February 2001, the defense minister charged that "the Palestinian plan was to cause a few thousand Israeli deaths within a number of months, so that Israel would give in to them... It was tantamount to giving a green light to the suicide terror attacks against Israel." Mofaz said Hamas and Islamic Jihad began the suicide attack campaign and were joined a year or so ago by Arafat's Fatah organization. He noted that Israel was in possession of additional intelligence indicating Arafat's involvement in the terror, adding that the United States and other countries were also privy to this information. In the past, Israel presented information concerning cash payments from Arafat's office to terror activists. Significant information on the issue was published in June last year, when it was reported that shortly after the suicide attack at the French Hill junction in Jerusalem, that left seven Israelis dead, Arafat met with Fatah activist Mohammed Naifeh from Tul Karm, giving him $20,000 to be used for the operations of Fatah's military wing. Israel passed on this information to U.S. President George W. Bush, who in turn, distanced himself from Arafat. The Palestinians who reject all offers of peace, then respond by blowing up Israeli woman and children and you take there side. Are you insane? I have 2 words for you. Arab Rejectionism: Take it from there. The fact is that this conflict is EXISTENTIAL- NOT TERRITORIAL. The Arabs dont accept Israel within ANY borders. THIS is why there was no peace from 48 to 67, or why Arafat didn't sign on the dotted line at Camp David and Taba This could have been the third year of a prospering new Palestinian state. Instead, they went to war against Israel. Count the dead, injured and destroyed on both sides. All this suffering because Arafat and the Palestinians cant accept Israel existence. Yasser Arafat translated in Arabic, in a speech he made in Sweden in 1996. Arafat’s speech in front of 40 Arab diplomats in the Grand Hotel in Stockholm, Sweden, on January 30, 1996. Was called "The Impending Collapse of Israel". Arafat said, Our goal is the total Destruction of Israel. We will take over everything including all of Jerusalem," he declared repeatedly. "You understand that we plan to eliminate the State of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian State. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion; Jews will not want to live among us Arabs!" http://www.iris.org.il/quotes/stockhlm.htm Camp David failed for one reason. The real reason Arafat didn’t want to make peace at Camp David. Arafat felt having his own state meant nothing to him, compared to the thrill of killing Jews. The PLO assumed that Israeli society couldn't tolerate a conflict, where Israeli civilians were murdered on a daily level; that Israel was weak- that they would capitulate to Arab terror. Now, what has Sharon done? He fought back on THEIR terms. The World reacts to Jews defending themselves, as though the Palestinian terrorists are the victims. I say to you. "Would you tolerate a neighbor orchestrating, funding, and blessing homicide murderers targeting your civilian population? Would you tolerate a situation in which women and children were being blown to pieces in your cafes, pizzeria's and shopping centers? Would you tolerate street side celebrations by your neighbors, frequently displayed on your TV screens, rejoicing at the carnage that they had inflicted on your people?" The Palestinians insisted on war. The Israelis have bent over backwards to try to accomodate the Palestinians including the best deal ever offered to Arafat by the Israelis during the Clinton Administration. All olive branch offered by the Israelis have met with more and more suicide (homicide) attacks. Arafat and his henchmen prefer to keep his position as head terrorist and dictator in order to keep "his" people poor, miserable and angry and to insure his swiss bank account stays fat with EU $$ - sad but true. There is no democracy anywhere in the Arab world and this is equally true for those civilians under the PA control. Until the Jew hating idiots on the left understand, that the Arabs want to destroy Israel and Israel doesn't want to be destroyed. I do not blame the Israelis at all. If you suffered a 9-11 attack on an almost daily basis like the Israelis do, at some point you will not be so agreeable, diplomatic or willing to offer a olive branch. The onus is on the Palestinians to stop killing Israeli civilians. But this will never happen, because Arafat is obsessed with implementing his phase by phase plan to destroy Israel. "In October of 2000, with the help of Clinton, Israel offered Arafat an independent Palestinian State, 97% of the West Bank all of Gaza, Arab sections of Jerusalem and 3 percent of Israel. Arafat refused and the Palestinians started their homicide/suicide bombings and their latest attempt to destroy Israel." In fact, the Palestinians broke the Oslo Accords precisely because of Israeli generosity, because the government of Ehud Barak offered to meet 100 percent of their demands, including turning over half of Jerusalem to their control -- a possibility once considered unthinkable. Barak offered the Palestinians a state, something no Arab country ever did. Barak did this, even though the Palestinians never in history controlled these lands. These concessions confronted Arafat with the one outcome he did not want: Peace with Israel. Peace without the destruction of the "Jewish Entity. I read something that 1999 was the only year that no Israeli civilians were killed by Arab terrorists in Israel. In that year, 99 percent of Palestinians were living under Arafat's rule. Not one time did Israel go in any Palestinian city in 1999. This is not to hard to figure out. Israel wouldn't go in one Palestinian city if the Palestinians stop killing Israeli civilians. Everytime Israel leaves a Palestinian city, what happens, the Palestinians resume terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians. This forces Israel to go back in these cities. Israel withdrew ELEVEN times from the West Bank to effect a cease-fire. Each time Israel was attacked by suicide bombers who massacred Israeli civilians in Israel. The Palestinian Authority failed to arrest them, and instead paid their families awards. Arafat even named streets after them as "martyrs". How can anyone take seriously, Arab leaders that encourage terror attacks against civilians? You see, when someone wants to destroy you and kill your civilians. When you have 70 percent of Arabs who support homicide bombers against Israeli civilians. When you have Palestinian terrorists groups that refuse to sign an agreement, not to target Israeli woman and children. What do you expect Israel to do? When you hear about all the Israeli civilians being massacred. Thats only the Palestinian terrorist atrocities that got through. You know how many bus massacres, cafe massacres, Israeli security forces prevented. When Israel was making peace with Egypt. How many times did Israeli soldiers attack Egypt? Zero Times. When Israel was making peace with King Hussein. How many times did Israel attack Jordan? Zero times. They didn't attack them, because Egyptians and Jordanians were murdering Israeli woman and children, like Palestinian terrorists are. I'll ask if, if everytime Israel leaves a Palestinian city and the second they leave, Palestinian terrorists from the city then massacre Israeli civilians. What do you expect Israel to do? If you dont know, its Palestinian terrorism which is forcing Israel back in Judea and Samaria. The Israeli military goes into a Palestinian village to rootout terrorists and to attempt to stop future terrorist attacks There is a big difference in initiating violence and reacting to it. The vast majority of the violence and killings have been initiated by the Arabs. If the Arabs (Palestinians) would not initiate violence, the Israelis would not react with violence. Now, is that so hard to see or understand? Israel targets Palestinians terrorists who send homicide bombers and gunman, who go into Israeli college cafeterias, night clubs, restaurants, felafel stands, buses, and hotel lobbies full civilians, and deliberately massacre hundreds of innocent Israeli civilians. I saw this from 2 weeks ago, which explains exactly what i'm talking about. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1043152787039 Several Palestinian officials from different groups have already arrived in Cairo for the conference. PA officials said the conference was expected to end in failure after most of the Palestinian groups announced that they would not halt their attacks against civilians inside Israel. Can you imagine that, these Palestinians wont sign an agreement not to target woman and children in Israel. You couldn't find me a Hindu, Budhish, Jewish or Christian leader that wouldn't sign an agreement not to target innocent civilians. Only the murderous Arabs wont sign it. Nothing will change for the Palestinians, because its not about their state its about destroying Israel. The Pals live in bad conditions, because their leaders keep them in it, not because of Israel. Its not in the Pal leaders best interest, to normalize life for their people. If they did, there would be no need for them. Here are the basic facts. Its the Palestinians who refuse to sign a ceasefire, not Israel Its the Palestinians who refuse to sign an agreement not to target civilians, not Israel.This is what the Palestinians want. Hamas chief Sheikh Ahmed Yassin explains that Palestinian terrorism will in the end destroy Israel and that the Islamic state of Palestine will be built on the ruins of Israel in 2027. In 1974, Arafat adopted his phase by phase plan at the PLO's National Council at its session in Cairo during June 1-8, 1974. Prior to the 1974 meeting, the PLO's position was that it would never accept anything but the immediate destruction of Israel. At the 1974 meeting, the PLO decided to seek Israel's destruction in phases, by first establishing a small PLO state, then later seeking to conquer the rest of Israel. Point #2 of its 10-point 1974 platform declared that the PLO should create "a national, independent fighting authority on every part of the Palestinian land to be liberated." Point #8 explains that the "the Palestine national entity, after it comes into existence," will seek "to complete the liberation of the entire Palestinian soil." In the Palestinian Arab newspaper Al Quds on May 10, 2000, Arafat was asked: "Do you feel sometimes that you made a mistake in agreeing to Oslo?" Arafat replied: - his peace with Israel is based on the Hudaybiyah accord made by Mohammed. Hudaybiyah is a small oasis between Mecca and Medina where Mohammed fought a battle in the early years of Islam. When he saw he was fighting a losing battle, Mohammed signed a strategic 10-year peace agreement with the Quraish tribe who lived in Mecca. Two years later, when his forces were stronger, Muhammad invaded and destroyed the Quraish tribe. Arafat in 2001 justified the slaughter by saying, Muhammed´s peace treaty was only a "Lesser Value Agreement" because he had agreed to sign the treaty without the words. Arafat referred to this principle in Islam known as Takiya, the right to fake peace when you are weak for the purposes of defeating your enemy when you are stronger. On the same day in 1993 on which Yasser Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn, he spoke the following words on Jordan TV: "Since we cannot defeat Israel in war we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel." Abdul Aziz Shaheen, the PA's Minister of Supplies, told the official PA newspaper Al-Hayat Al-Jadida on January 4, 2000: "The Oslo accord was a preface for the Palestinian Authority and the Palestinian Authority will be a preface for the Palestinian state which, in its turn, will be a preface for the liberation of the entire Palestinian land." The late Faisal Husseini, Arafat's Jerusalem representative, a man who was cultured, sophisticated and considered the most moderate of all the Palestinians, shortly before his death on May 31, 2001, expressed his true feelings in an interview with the popular Egyptian newspaper el Arav. Husseini said: "We must distinguish the strategies and long-term goals from the political-phased goals which we are compelled to accept due to international pressures." But the "ultimate goal is the liberation of all of historical Palestine." Explicitly he said: "Oslo has to be viewed as a Trojan Horse." He even added and clarified that it is the obligation of all the Palestinian forces and factions to see the Oslo Accords as "temporary" steps to Israel's destruction. Sheikh Muhammed Siyam, a Hamas military leader said this. "I've been told to restrict or restrain what I say. I hope no one is recording me or taking any pictures, as none are allowed, because I'm going to speak the truth to you," Siyam reportedly said at the conference. "It's simple. Finish off the Israelis. Kill them all! Exterminate them! No peace ever! Do not bother to talk politics." http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-120601holy.story

bassboy For the State Department to argue that the Saudi's are our allies in the war on terrorism.... this would be like Fred Goldman joining OJ in the search for the real killers.

http://opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110001901 Outbidding Saddam I'll buy Palestinian children for $30,000 each. BY SCOTT MILLER Thursday, June 27, 2002 12:01 a.m. EDT (I read your editorial about how the home video of Palestinian mother Naima al-Obeid and her 19-year-old son, Mahmoud, was made public, celebrating his decision to carry out a homicide mission, in which he was successful in being killed, while killing two Israelis. I submit the following letter, hoping to reach Naima al-Obeid.) To Naima al-Obeid: I want to buy your children. As I understand it, you have seven children still alive (your son Mahmoud killed himself, I'm sorry to hear). I'll offer more than Saddam Hussein has offered; he'll pay $25,000 each, if they are willing to turn themselves into human bombs, but I'll pay $30,000 each. I want to buy them away from the god of death you worship. Perhaps I can help them convert to traditional Islam, a religion that abhors murder and suicide. Maybe they'll wish to become Christian or Jewish or Buddhist or atheist. That will be their choice, if I can raise them as Americans. If you sell your children to Hussein, instead of me, they are guaranteed to die young, to die blown to bits, to die while perhaps killing innocent women and children. I can't guarantee them immortality (neither can that god of death you worship, I can assure you), but I can guarantee to try to keep them safe and allow them to live long, healthy and productive lives. That's our dream in America. I will pay top dollar for your children. I will top the offer of Hussein, of the Saudis, of Hamas, or the Palestinian Authority put together. For a long time my wife and I have wondered what we might do to help in the war on terror. In buying your children, I see an opportunity for us to save countless innocent lives, among them your seven children. Contact me. I'll pay. Mr. Miller lives in Atlanta.

Bassboy good article for you. The Myth Of The Palestinian People Yehezkel Powell, December 26 2001 The general impression given in the media is that Palestinians have lived in the Holy Land for hundreds, if not thousands of years. No wonder, then, that a recent poll of French citizens shows that the majority believe (falsely) that prior to the establishment of the State of Israel an independent Arab Palestinian state existed in its place. Yet curiously, when it comes to giving the history of this "ancient" people most news outlets find it harder to go back more than the early nineteen hundreds. CNN, an agency which has devoted countless hours of airtime to the "plight" of the Palestinians, has a website which features a special section on the Middle East conflict called "Struggle For Peace". It includes a promising sounding section entitled "Lands Through The Ages" which assures us it will detail the history of the region using maps. Strangely, it turns out, the maps displayed start no earlier than the ancient date of 1917. The facts remain, Prior to 1900 there was no such concept as the Palestinian People. According to official Ottoman Turk census figures of 1882, in the entire Land of what is Israel today, there were only 141,000 Muslims, both Arab and non-Arab. This number was to skyrocket to 650,000 Arabs by 1922, a 450% increase in only 40 years. By 1938 that number would become over 1 million or an 800% increase in only 56 years. Population growth was especially high in areas where Jews lived. Where did all these Arabs come from? They came from the surrounding Arab states of Egypt, Syria and Jordan. In 1922 the British Governor of the Sinai noted that “illegal immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria.” Malcolm MacDonald, one of the principal authors of the British White Paper of 1939, which restricted Jewish immigration to the Land of Israel, admitted (conservatively) that were it not for a Jewish presence, the Arab population would have been little more than half of what it actually was. In 1930, the British Mandate -sponsored Hope-Simpson Report noted that “unemployment lists are being swollen by immigrants from Trans-Jordania” and “illicit immigration through Syria and across the northern frontier of Palestine is material.” The Arabs themselves bare witness to this trend. For example, the governor of the Syrian district of Hauran, Tewfik Bey el Hurani, admitted in 1934 that in a single period of only a few months over 30,000 Syrians from Hauran had moved to Palestine. Even British Prime Minister Winston Churchill noted the Arab influx. Churchill, a veteran of the early years of the British mandate in the Land of Israel, noted in 1939 that “far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied.” Even Arab historians have admitted Palestine never existed. In 1946, Princeton's Arab professor of Middle East history, Philip Hitti, told the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, Its common knowledge, there is no such thing as Palestine in history." In 1937, the Arab leader Auni Bey Abdul Hadi told the Peel Commission, "There is no such country as Palestine. "Palestine" is a term the Zionists invented. "'Palestine' is alien to us." In 1956, Ahhmed Shukeiry, founder of the PLO told the UN, that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria." Far from displacing the Arabs, as they claimed, the Jews were the very reason the Arabs chose to settle in the Land of Israel. Jobs provided by newly established Zionist industry and agriculture lured them there, just as Israeli construction and industry provides most Arabs in the Land of Israel with their main source of income today. Today, when due to the latest “intifada” Arabs from the territories under 35 are no longer allowed into pre-1967 Israel to work, unemployment has skyrocketed to over 40% and most rely on European aid packages to survive. Not only pre-state Arabs lied about being indigenous. Even today, many prominent so-called Palestinians, it turns out, are foreign born. Edward Said, an Ivy League Professor long claimed to have been raised in Jerusalem. However, in an article in the September 1999 issue of Commentary Magazine Justus Reid Weiner revealed that Said actually grew up in Cairo, Egypt, a fact which Said himself was later forced to admit. But why bother with Said? PLO chief Yasir Arafat himself, self declared “leader of the Palestinian people”, has always claimed to have been born and raised in “Palestine”. In fact, according to his official biographer Richard Hart, as well as the BBC, Arafat was born in Cairo on August 24, 1929 and that’s where he grew up. To maintain the charade of being an indigenous population, Arab propagandists have had to do more than a little rewriting of history. A major part of this rewriting involves the renaming of geography. For two thousand years the central mountainous region of Israel was known as Judea and Samaria, as any medireview map of the area testifies. However, the state of Jordan occupied the area in 1948 and renamed it the West Bank. This is a funny name for a region that actually lies in the eastern portion of the land and can only be called “West” in reference to Jordan. This does not seem to bother the majority of news outlets covering the region, which universally refer to the region by its recent Jordanian name. The term “Palestinian" is itself a masterful twisting of history. To portray themselves as indigenous, Arab settlers adopted the name of an ancient Canaanite tribe, the Phillistines, that died out almost 3000 years ago. The connection between this tribe and modern day Arabs is nil. Who is to know the difference? Given the absence of any historical record, one can understand why Yasser Arafat claims that Jesus Christ, a Jewish carpenter from the Galilee, was a Palestinian. Every year, at Christmas time, Arafat goes to Bethlehem and tells worshippers that Jesus was in fact “the first Palestinian”. If the Palestinians are indeed a myth, then the real question becomes “Why?” Why invent a fictitious people? The answer is that the myth of the Palestinian People serves as the justification for Arab occupation of the Land of Israel. While the Arabs already possess 21 sovereign countries of their own (more than any other single people on earth) and control a land mass 800 times the size of the Land of Israel, this is apparently not enough for them. They therefore feel the need to rob the Jews of their one and only country, one of the smallest on the planet. Unfortunately, many people ignorant of the history of the region, including much of the world media, are only too willing to help. It is interesting to note that the Bible makes reference to a fictitious nation confronting Israel. “They have provoked me to jealously by worshipping a non-god, angered me with their vanities. I will provoke them with a non-nation; anger them with a foolish nation (Deuteronomy 32:21).” On second thought, it may be unfair to compare Palestine to Disneyland. After all, Disneyland really exists. In the 18th and 19th centuries, a litany of Christian travelers - Siebald Rieter and Johann Tucker, Arnold Van Harff and Father Michael Nuad, Martin Kabatnik and Felix Fabri, Count Constantine Francois Volney and Alphonse de Lamartine, Mark Twain and Sir George Gawler, Sir George Adam Smith and Edward Robinson - found Palestine virtually empty, except for Jewish communities in Jerusalem, Safed, Shechem, Hebron, Ramleh, Acre, Sidon, Tyre, Haifa, Irsuf, Caesarea, and El Arish, and throughout Galilee towns - Kfar Alma, Ein Zeitim, Biria, Pekiin, Kfar Hanania, Kfar Kana and Kfar Yassif. To stay, these Jews had submitted to innumerable conquerors, taxes, pogroms and degradation. But they stayed. In 1799, Palestine was still so much in need of people that Napoleon Bonaparte championed a full-scale return of Jews. In the early 19th century, Palestine was a backward, neglected province of the Ottoman Empire. Travelers to Palestine from the Western world left records of what they saw there. The theme throughout their reports is dismal: The land was empty, neglected, abandoned, desolate, fallen into ruins. In Jerusalem, all reports and journals of travelers, pilgrims and government representatives during these years, repeatedly record the poverty, filth and neglect and the desolate nature of the countryside. Early photographs show lepers in rags and dilapidated buildings. Jerusalem was surrounded by marauding bands of Bedouin Arabs and had to close her gates at nightfall and reopen them at first light, a practice that was similar in Biblical times. Some quotes from the writings of these visitors before modern times: a.. Nothing there [Jerusalem] to be seen but a little of the old walls which is yet remaining and all the rest is grass, moss and weeds. [English pilgrim in 1590] b.. The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is of a body of population. [british consul in 1857] c.. There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent [valley of Jezreel] -- not for 30 miles in either direction... One may ride ten miles hereabouts and not see ten human beings. ... For the sort of solitude to make one dreary, come to Galilee ... Nazareth is forlorn ... Jericho lies a moldering ruin ... Bethlehem and Bethany, in their poverty and humiliation... untenanted by any living creature... A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds ... a silent, mournful expanse ... a desolation ... We never saw a human being on the whole route ... Hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil had almost deserted the country ... Of all the lands there are for dismal scenery Palestine must be the prince. The hills barren and dull, the valleys unsightly deserts [inhabited by] swarms of beggars with ghastly sores and malformations. Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes ... desolate and unlovely ... [Mark Twain, The Innocents Abroad, 1867] Remarkably, there are photographs dating to the 19th century and early 20th century that document the development of Palestine from the desolate, pre-Zionist landscape reported by travelers to the green and productive land that Jewish immigrants created there. This web site has 460 photographs and lithographs of the period, some never before available to the public. They show how the industrious Zionists made the lightly-populated land productive and able to support the great increases in Jewish and Arab numbers that came to Palestine in the following decades. Winston Churchill was British Colonial Secretary when he visited the Middle East in the winter of 1920-1921. Anti-Semitic elements in the British government tried to assert that the Jews were not needed to develop Palestine. Churchill replied: Left to themselves, the Arabs of Palestine would not in a thousand years have taken effective steps towards the irrigation and electrification of Palestine. They would have been quite content to dwell-a handful of philosophic people-in wasted sun-drenched plains, letting the waters of the Jordan flow unbridled and unharnessed into the Dead Sea." In 1924, a few months after becoming Commissioner of the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, Elwood Mead (namesake of Lake Mead behind Hoover Dam) published a highly favorable review of Jewish settlements in Palestine based on his visits there in 1923. His article, "New Palestine," praised the Zionists accomplishments and plans, a publicity coup. Mead blamed Islam, Ottoman governance, and Arab culture for the demise of Roman irrigation systems that, according to Mead, once supported "lands flowing with milk and honey." Mead was a consultant to Chiam Weizman offering his expertise to maximize the return on investment of the extensive investments in irrigation, land reclamation, and water supplies in the Zionist areas based on Mead's extensive experience in the American West.. After the Arab riots in 1929, Mead wrote to the British High Commissioner that the Jews had produced "a marvelous transformation" in the Palestinian landscape. Mead noted that in his visits to Palestine he had seen nothing "to indicate that the Arab was injured." Moreover, the Jewish example of "what modern finance and equipment can do, coupled with the sympathetic interest of the government is bringing him out of the hopeless inertia that misgovernment and oppression of centuries past have created .... " Jewish settlers in Palestine were not only reclaiming the land, they were elevating living standards for the Arab population and assisting the British government. In his report to the League of Nations on the Administration of Palestine and Transjordan for the year 1925, the British High Commissioner wrote: Fuel-power stations for the generation of electrical light and energy have been established at Haifa and Tiberias by the [Jewish] Palestine Electric Corporation, Limited. This increase in commercial activity, in building enterprise and new industrial developments is due almost entirely to Jewish capital and the entry during the year of an immigrant class with money to invest. During this period a significant shift of population took place as Arabs and others from all over the Middle East moved to the areas of Zionist cultivation and development. The organizational and technical skills of the Jewish settlers, their access to outside capital, and their sheer hard work created an economic boom that created opportunity for Arab workers, particularly in contrast to the stagnant conditions elsewhere in the region. 1.. As far back as 1893, the Jews not only were already far from being a small minority in the areas where they had settled, but were the largest single group there (if one divides the non-Jewish population into Muslim and Christian), and 2.. Substantial immigration of Arabs to Palestine took place during the first half of the twentieth century; from 1893 to 1947 while the Palestinian Arab population slightly more than doubled in areas where no Jews were settled, it quintupled in the main areas of Jewish settlement. These findings are supported with an array of demographic statistics and contemporary accounts, the bulk of which have not been questioned by any reviewer.