drlogic

whoever she is, she's a hottie!

I'm far from being fooled, just trying to take the high road and pick his brain. Destruction is another case althogther. There's nothing I can do or say to him that he does not already know. It appears his outbursts are a cry for help. He hates himself and uses these boards to vent w/ his limited grasp of the facts. Someone lend Desctruction and Frenchcunt 1 dollar so they can buy themselve a clue and maybe they might enjoy life for a change. Both have attacked my mom? Go figure... here's one for those 2 wastes of sperm.... Yo MAMMY SUCKS DICK ON CREDIT!

Just got home and decided to check in. "That mission was made to be confusing from the get go. I think it has more to do with the way Bush and his administration went about conveying the threat of terrorism to the general public" Here's where we're due to lock horns. Bush didn't say anything that had not already been said by the previous admin. and congressmen and widely accepted by by all. It would be dishonest to not reference this fact. "WMD's, terrorist state" etc.. Again, all widely accepted as fact during the previous admin, hence Bush never said anything that had not already been declared by Clinton. "Personally, I don't believe the facts supporting the war effort in Iraq were conclusive enough to declare war on that country and send American soldiers into a meat grinder" Not believing is one thing and that your perogative which I respect. I can only assume you felt this strongly when it was repeatidly declared in the 90's by Clinton? As for the meat grinder? You're saying invading Iraq was a known meat grinder? Did we not take that country in a few weeks w/ a handful of casualties? You're off base w/ that one. The insurgency is a whole other ball of wax, but liberating Iraq was a huge success and done in record time which no one imagined. Let's not mix apples w/ oranges. That would be dishonest and counterproductive to the debate. "whether this threat was immediate enough to warrant Bush going to war without the approval of the Congressional body. Personally, I don't believe the facts supporting the war effort in Iraq were conclusive enough to declare war on that country and send American soldiers into a meat grinder that will continue to grind uncontrollably while an American presence is there" Congress was practically completely on board. I don't know where you're coming from on that one? "Facts supporting the war in Iraq"? It was about the UN resolutions and failure to comply. 9/11 may have been the catalyst but the legality for invading was CRYSTAL CLEAR. The conviction of the UN is a whole other story which recent investigations have revealed were motivated by corruption and money. Note: That's not my view, it documented facts which were unclear at the time, yet now clearly explain what is partially responsible for igniting the anti-war movement and renders it's core argument baseless and w/out foundation. Funny how America is painted as the greedy money hungry ones and the UN culprits are conveniently ignored. Anyway.............. "I also personally believe that Bush did not carefully and thoughtfully think through the ramifications of declaring war under the overly-broad guise of eliminating a terrorist threat and "freeing the Iraqi people." How so? He took his sweet time. Well over 1 yr. multiple debates in congress and speeches at the UN. Congress cowardly voted to authorize the president the power to enforce what they were unwilling to. Bush LED! Congress hid under their desks! That's EXACTLY what leaders are elected to do, LEAD! As for the comment about "overly-broad guise to eliminating a terrorist threat and freeing the Iraqi people", those were just bi-products of removing a dictator which failed to comply w/ mulitple UN resolutions. I hope you understand that and don't confuse that w/ what you now believe happened. Bold? Sure! Noble? You bet! History will judge that decsion. It's definitely WAY TOO SOON to tell. "With respect to what a possible alternative would have been: I don't believe that going to war was necessarily an issue of tolerating or not tolerating a dangerous threat, becauase there was no solid proof that Sadam or his regime posed a danger that was immediate enough to warrant an invasion of this magnitude. I think the appeal of unseating Sadam Hussein and his regime was very intriguing to the general public during the post 9/11 period, and many people (both conservatives and liberals) jumped on this noble bandwagon. Many were naturally still in fear, and it was very easy to play on the public's sentiments at that time. However, personally, I don't think the invasion was warranted, or even necessary.[/" Let me get this straight...You're implying Bush, the president of the United States of America was just a war monger who used the tragic events of 9/11 to bamboozle congress, America and the world into war because........................? Just cause he could? He was bored? Payback for daddy? Halliburton? Steal Oil? Just curious? I hope I'm not losing you here? I took you as a thinker and that scenario is teetering on fallacious. I hope I'm wrong. But I digress................ You were saying "w/ respect to an alternative", right? I don't think I got one from you?

I guess we can agree to disagree. You don't seem to see the threat as I do. The threat of terrorsim is one I would like to see fought rather than tolerated. You don't see it the same way so I understand your confusion w/ the mission. I just have to respectfully disagree. Also, you've yet to outline an alternative to this threat (one that has not been tried and failed). Tolerating/managing the threat is not a solution either. I want this threat eliminated or minimized to the point of irrelevance. I've gotta go now. Time to pick up my daughter from school. Maybe being a parent and wanting a better future for my 2 children influences my opinion on this war? Regardless, I think history will be on my side and all those who view the threat the same way I do. At the end of the day, history will judge us all. I just can't live w/ the consequences of doing nothing (being that I've yet to hear an alternative) being that I've brought 2 children into this world. I'm standing up for what I believe. I've lived in that part of the world (total of almost 2 yrs between Bahrain and Kuwait on multiple detachments which include Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Oman, UAE and Israel) and understand what we face. I know exactly what our soldiers face. Part of me wants to be there but injuries I have limit me. We'll never convince each other so, we can agree to disagree. Have a nice wknd! Sayonra!

Damn, I think I like you! I completely disagree w/ you view of this war but you seem to be a thinker. I have no problem w/ that and can even respect that. Same cannot be said for others, but.............. Anyway, this war on terror was always said to be a very, very, very long struggle and a test of wills. Taking Baghdad and winning the WAR are 2 very different things. This war will unfortunately last longer than my lifetime, but is a war which must be fought head on (IMHO). I've yet to hear a better idea for fighting this war which landed on our doorstep on 9/11. I'm all ear if anyone has a better idea which has yet to have been tried and failed. I'm all ears! Second, I completely REJECT you defeatist premise about this being too tough and impossible. We're not fighting this cause it's easy, rather because the long term onsequences of not fighting it now greatly outweigh the short term consequences of the present. 3rd, our soldiers are kicking ass! I still have buddies there! I lost my cousin there! I served in the region in Gulf War 1. You don't hear of our successes or what we thwart or how many enemy we kill, etc.....You only get one side of this and that's something which bothers me. There is something called the FOG OF WAR and that must be understood. Micromanaging a war will lead to another Vietnam. Things MUST be taken in context and w/ the proper perspective. NEVER, EVER judge a war based on body counts! NEVER! We have a mission. A tough mission which is moving forward, day by day. One should not fight a war w/ the mindset of what would happen if we fail, rather IMAGINE what we will accomplish when we succeed! GET IT? Nothing of any worth or value has ever been easy to accomplish! We do it because it's tough! It's fucking hard! Harder and more difficult than any of us can possibly imagine. But we do it because it's vital to our future. So, ENOUGH w/ the defeatism and whining! If anyone has a problem w/ it, then offer an alternative, if not, sit down and shut up! Terrorism is not just going to go away. We can sit here slap our faces, pound our chest and cry "mea culpa", but that's not a solution! It's counter productive and part of problem, not part of the solution! As for the Vietnam stuff, you brought it up. That's another sore spot for me. My father is a 22 yrs. Army veteran who served 2 tours in that war as an infantry soldier w/ all the scars and disabilities to show for it. I took a course on S.E. Asia and studied that war dating back to the withdrawl of the French. You brought it up, not me.

Opinion noted,,,,but no, I disagree! I thought Phil did himself and his cause no good w/ that interview. Your opinion on high American deaths is absurd. At the height of the Vietnam conflict, we were losing 500 soldiers/week. almost 60 thousand dead. All this while fighting a war w/ all sorts of rules of what cities we could/could not bomb, cease-fires rules (Tet), etc....Not to mention the VC, farmer by day, soldier by night. It was a nobel war which was discombobulated by politicians in DC. We killed over 1 million N.Vietnamese and VC and still lost the fight to stop the spread of communsim in S.E. Asia. We need determined leadership to finish this shit. We're(America) is the best hope that region has. You can look at this through a soda straw if you wish, but there's a much bigger picture and much more at stake which the critics chose to ignore and obviously have no plan to deal with. It's about the future, not about today! Anyway, 2000 dead Americans (One of those being my cousin killed by an RPG in Camp Anaconda) and large amount of those deaths NON-COMBAT deaths are not what I consider a high death rate in a war against an enemy that wear no uniform and hides among the civilians. A war which the critics claimed would take 10,000 American soldiers lives just to take Baghdad. Point being, the critics have yet to be right and now want their advise to be taken as gospel? Um??? How 'bout,,,,,NO! PS,,,,If you think I'm childish, wait until you read the posts from folks who agree w/ your opinion. I ain't got shit on them. There's a saying my mother always told me as a child: "Dime con quien andas, y te dire quien eres" Trans: "Tell me who you hang out with and I'll tell you what kind of person you are." So, you might wanna clean up your own house before you try telling me to clean mine.

Are you twitching again Scooter? You probably thought Bush would lose in 2000. Repz would lose in 2002 Bush would lose in 2004 and now you're at it again? WANNA BET? PS..Pedophile? Is that all you've got? Truth be told Scooter,,,,,,,, Tu sabes muy bien que te parto la cara! LOL This is fun.......I wonder how brave you are in person? You say you're 41? I bet it's more like 14! I'll bet money you never even had stinky finger? Like I've told you before Scooter, YOU NEED SOME PUSSY! BAD!!! It's Friday son,,,shouldn't you be out dancing somewhere? That's how you release stress right? Go dance! Bring it PUSSYBITCH! lol

a ha! H A L L I B U R T O N !!!!!! Love it!!!! Look pencil dick, for once, y don't u try to debate conservatism vs. liberalism and see which one wins? You can't! Today's liberal democrats can't and that is clearly illustrated in the spin and deflection you marinate in. Can't win @ the election box? Americans aren't agreeing w/ you and not electing you (your kind) so for you guys, it's off to PLAN B, politics of personal destruction, spin and propaganda! Love it! Keep up the great work.

he doesn't care....he's got crossed cables.... se le quemo un cable! he fried a cable (in his noggin).

So I guess you never had an answer to the issue we were.... ahhh,,don't worry about it bruto! I'm glad you finally found something to smile about. Reading your Michael Moore talking points and watching you defend them as if they had any credence is beyone hillarious....ahhh,,,don't worry son..... ps...Y U B talk'n 'bout my momma? "Chinga my momma?" LOL Look, it's Friday and I'm sure you're looking forward to getting all glittered up and have your colon cowboy lov'rs ram ecstacy supositories up your salad shooter so you can enjoy your night of skipping in place, blowing whistles and french kissing your greasy metrosexual co-workers. soplame el tubo mamao, singado del al rechingada..........lol

JAH! RASTAFARI'D!!!! Bombaclath!!! Big up, Big up!!!! Listen battyboy, You're the last person who should talk about "biased" web sites. New Flash: The Guardian, CNN, BBC, etc....are not objective sites. They too are agenda driven and if you're sincere about questioning "the source", you should start w/ your own personal preferences. I never ignore fact, I simply add the ones your web sites ignore. I know you don't like them because they paint a picture you're not willing to accept. As for the blame, I blame the the hurricane, not a person. Now, if people choose to try to blame the president, then I'll stoop to their level and show that there are 2 sides to every coin. You're completely ate up w/ hate and propaganda. You should try to take a step back from what you write and try to soak it all it and take a look at it all w/ a fresh, clear mind. Or you can't maintain the status quo and we can keep insulting each other. Personally, this school yard shit is pretty fun.

Phil exposed himself as a completely clueless as to how to fight this war on terror. Justifying the unjustifiable carnage commited by terrorist is not a plan. ps, O'Reilly was right to defend his nephew. Attn dumbfucks: Soldiers do not go to war to die. They go to fight! Football players do not play ball to get hurt! Race car drivers do not race to crash and die! Soldiers do not go to war to die, they go to defend and fight! SPIN BABY SPIN!

To be fair, you question the links I put up yet you put up THE GUARDIAN? lol PUH-LEEEEEEEZZZ NIGGUH!!!!! You might as well post links from Al-Jazeera.

French, Que te pasa chico? Sup nigguh? I can't believe that out of 10,000 sperm, you were the quickest? NO WAY BRO!

I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public. I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce No,,,YOU WISH.... NO YOU,, NO YOU NU AH,,,,,YOU! NEENER NEENER! YOUR TEETH ARE BRIGHTER THAN YOU ARE!

Oh, it's on! buckle up nigggggazzzz!!! This shit's gonna get good now!

THE PLOT THICKENS................................ Welcome!

You still hung up on that Scooter? Try a Google search for "Blanco admits fault" and see what comes back? The site provided links to the videos. I know, it doesn't matter. Anyway, you want me dead? Dead like a bug? Ah, how sweet! Like I've told you before, get out and get yourself some fresh snatch and write me back in the morning. You've got issues Poopi! LOL

Is that all you read? There were about 4 paragraphs before that? In retrospect, I probably should have inserted the words "of a rainbow" after the word "primary". Anyway, that was not the point. You still havn't addressed the issue which seems suspect to me. What are you afraid of learning? Is there a reading compreshension issue? wuz da' dilly, YO!

No argument from me. I'm curious to see if anyone who disagrees can better explain their side. I know,,,,not gonna happen...

but...... what is one supposed to do if we've invested so much time and effort in bashing Bush? Are we just supposed to admit we were used as "useful idiots" and repent? Do we just remain useful idiots? The truth just gets in the way Igloo. so,,,what about HALLIBURTON!!! huh? LOL Good job Igloo. This will reflect on your evals..... ;]

NO DOUBT! That horse and pony show w/ her purposely getting herself arrested while smiling like an idiot did her in. That put the nail in her cauffin. The hurricanes sucked all the O2. She made a tactical error in trying to steal the spotlight w/ that arrest. The only ones who'll probably eat that shit up are Europeeeeans(in other words....it doesn't matter....lol).

Here's the rub.....There is a difference between an opinion and a fact. A partial fact void of perspective is no better than an opinion. THAT'S THE MAIN ISSUE. Here's my example in as simple terms as I can put it: To say Bush led America to war in Iraq and Afghan. w/out noting all the terrorist acts starting w/ the '93 WTC bombing, Kobar, USS Cole, 9/11, 17 UN resolutions, Terrorist, including Al-Qaida links to Iraq is INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST and aimed at the ignorant. Again, saying Bush led us to war and now people are dead......................AND?????????????????????? To leave it at that is insulting to anyone w/ an ounce of intelligence. So, to say America helped UBL and NOT noting the current circumstances of the time are misleading and imply the author has an agenda he's trying to sell. From what I read, only the "haters" eat that shit up and leave it at that never questioning it or trying to UNDERSTAND it w/ historical facts and events which give the topic perspective. I may be beating a dead horse but I'm just trying to explain why I think we have this little "communication problem". What make white, white? What makes black, black? Is not white the absence of color? Is not black the combination of the 7 primary colors(R-O-Y-G-B-I-V)? Do you even care? But I digress..........................

I just don't get them sometimes.... Just when you start to think they're just fohk'n around, they go off on a tangent and actually try to justify the unjustifiable. It's as if they have some sort of "force field" that blocks anything which lends persective and brings clarity to an issue. The always come across as SO "outraged" at allegations against republicans, yet when it's against a democrat, they never post that story/link, never comment on it, never show "outrage". Then in the same breath, they want to be taken seriously when they post a negative story about a republican. A truely principled person would show outrage regardless the culprit, but they seem incapable of doing so. Essentially, it's childish and void of intellect. It reeks of INSINCERITY yet they still ask themselves why people are not flocking to their cause? Why people are not voting DEM? HELLO!!!!!! McFly!!!!! For people who try to come accross as being so intellectually superior, they sure are stupid.........