2tuff Posted October 18 Report Share Posted October 18 Saturday October 25th, 200311am @ The Washington Monumenthttp://www.internationalanswer.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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funkyfreshdc Posted October 19 Report Share Posted October 19 no 'rudebwoy shuffle' guestlist for u :laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vixenfoxxy Posted October 19 Report Share Posted October 19 Could there just be a general "bush and his policies are positively assinine" protest that includes the iraq issue? Our foreign policy is such a clusterfuck lately ...oh wait, likewise with domestic policy :eyeroll:OT: the "need phish tickets" sign totally cracked me up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revaluation Posted October 19 Report Share Posted October 19 Originally posted by vixenfoxxy Could there just be a general "bush and his policies are positively assinine" protest that includes the iraq issue? Our foreign policy is such a clusterfuck lately ...oh wait, likewise with domestic policy :eyeroll: hey that's politics. at least this protest is advocationg binging them home. That's a consistent postition. I can't deal with people who say they "support the troops, but not the war". If you're not supporting the war, the mission, or the reasons for being over there, then what exactly are you "supporting" by supporting the troops? OT: the "need phish tickets" sign totally cracked me up ya that got me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djbuster Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 Originally posted by revaluation If you're not supporting the war, the mission, or the reasons for being over there.... what are those? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 Who would have known that Bryan was such the neo-con right winger. Oh, and since when did war end slavery. Whoever made that sign needs to check their history. I saw this quote once..."Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauvee88 Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 I'm in support of isolationism.... Fuck the rest of the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 Originally posted by sauvee88 I'm in support of isolationism.... Fuck the rest of the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revaluation Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 Originally posted by djbuster what are those? that's not the point. i mean, i could go into a bunch of of the administration's decisions which I may or may not agree with and then we could go on all day debating them ad nauseum....blah, blah, blahBut the point was that either you support the war, the troops, the mission (whatever that may be) or you don't. I don't think its unpatriotic to say that you don't support the war, but the politicians are just...well, playing politics. You can't have it both ways. I just want people to be consistent. They ought to just say it like it is, either you're for it or against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramadas Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 Originally posted by revaluation I don't think its unpatriotic to say that you don't support the war, If only other people see that too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 Originally posted by revaluation ...I don't think its unpatriotic to say that you don't support the war, but the politicians are just...well, playing politics. You can't have it both ways. I just want people to be consistent. They ought to just say it like it is, either you're for it or against it... I don't think it's a matter of you either support the war or don't. Supporting the troops means what? Giving them a big pat on the back when they come back from Iraq, Afghanistan, or wherever their stationed, right? Ok, I don't think anyone wants to call them baby killers like vietnam... They are just following orders. But what's George Bush's excuse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revaluation Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 Originally posted by jamiroguy1 Who would have known that Bryan was such the neo-con right winger. Oh, and since when did war end slavery. Whoever made that sign needs to check their history. I saw this quote once..."Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity." haha...there's that word again.just so we're all clear: the media tosses around "neo-con" like it means "war mongering cowboy", and no doubt that's what most of you think it is. well it's not.prior to the late 70's most conservatives were isolationists at heart. Unless directly (and I mean direct as in Peral Harbor direct) involved with the business of some foreign nation, we should keep our nose out of everyone else's business and let them fight, pillage, proliferate, and whatever else their tyrranical little heart desired. There was movement in the late 70's with the conservatives that began to realize that as our ever increasing standard as the premier super power grew, the US was always involved regardless of where or what the situation(either through negpotiations, treaties, aid, or muscle). Our Vietnam hangover didn't help any. That being the case (as it surely is today) we figured that since we were going to end up paying the bill for it in the end, we might as well get involved in the initial deliberations. So, that's why we send troops and money and arbiters off to foreign nations to get involved in shit that we prolly shouldn't be getting involved in.Now, the libs have always felt this way, except when THEY want to send our troops off to die it's only for insignificant nations fighting insignificant civil wars...but "we've got to do SOMETHING!" Whatever.So if I'm a neo-con, let's get something straight. I think the United States has an obligation to promote peace throughout the world. And while this promotion should not include invading countries who are embattled in civil wars (Somalia, Liberia, etc) that do not have direct US interests (and yes oil is an interest - you try getting to work in the morning without oil), it should include ridding the world of regimes, organizations, factions, and militants that pose a threat to the security of the world.And no, there isn't room for a pluralistic arguement. Yes, you have the right to practice whatever you want and run your culture however you want...fine. But you cannot include as part of that culture the mass murder of those you see as 'infidels'.That being said, I find the "bring the troops home" argument to worthy of respect. I just happen to disagree with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kken Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 omg this is turning into buzz's political forum... STOP THE MADNESS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadygroovedc Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 Originally posted by kken omg this is turning into buzz's political forum... STOP THE MADNESS!!! So how 'bout dem Cowboys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kken Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 Originally posted by shadygroovedc So how 'bout dem Cowboys! when do they play the 'skins? can't wait for the skins to get their assess kicked by the 'boysh ehhe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadygroovedc Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 Originally posted by kken when do they play the 'skins? can't wait for the skins to get their assess kicked by the 'boysh ehhe. November 2 in Big D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 Originally posted by revaluation haha...there's that word again.just so we're all clear: the media tosses around "neo-con" like it means "war mongering cowboy", and no doubt that's what most of you think it is. well it's not.prior to the late 70's most conservatives were isolationists at heart. Unless directly (and I mean direct as in Peral Harbor direct) involved with the business of some foreign nation, we should keep our nose out of everyone else's business and let them fight, pillage, proliferate, and whatever else their tyrranical little heart desired. There was movement in the late 70's with the conservatives that began to realize that as our ever increasing standard as the premier super power grew, the US was always involved regardless of where or what the situation(either through negpotiations, treaties, aid, or muscle). Our Vietnam hangover didn't help any. That being the case (as it surely is today) we figured that since we were going to end up paying the bill for it in the end, we might as well get involved in the initial deliberations. So, that's why we send troops and money and arbiters off to foreign nations to get involved in shit that we prolly shouldn't be getting involved in.Now, the libs have always felt this way, except when THEY want to send our troops off to die it's only for insignificant nations fighting insignificant civil wars...but "we've got to do SOMETHING!" Whatever.So if I'm a neo-con, let's get something straight. I think the United States has an obligation to promote peace throughout the world. And while this promotion should not include invading countries who are embattled in civil wars (Somalia, Liberia, etc) that do not have direct US interests (and yes oil is an interest - you try getting to work in the morning without oil), it should include ridding the world of regimes, organizations, factions, and militants that pose a threat to the security of the world.And no, there isn't room for a pluralistic arguement. Yes, you have the right to practice whatever you want and run your culture however you want...fine. But you cannot include as part of that culture the mass murder of those you see as 'infidels'.That being said, I find the "bring the troops home" argument to worthy of respect. I just happen to disagree with it. Reval.. I like you... I think you a cool dude but I truly feel like I am less of a person now that I've read that ranted couple of paragraphs you just spit out. Let's just agree to disagree cause I don't think your going to change my mind with you're backwards logic and you're not going to change my mind because I'm a hard headed socialist scum.oh yeah...Go skins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadygroovedc Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 Originally posted by jamiroguy1 Reval.. I like you... I think you a cool dude but I truly feel like I am less of a person now that I've read that ranted couple of paragraphs you just spit out. Let's just agree to disagree cause I don't think your going to change my mind with you're backwards logic and you're not going to change my mind because I'm a hard headed socialist scum.oh yeah...Go skins. Kill whitey! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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shadygroovedc Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 Originally posted by jamiroguy1 I can't wait till we Asians rule the world so we can make all you whiteys our slaves. Then y'all will know what it's like to do someone else's laundry. Fucking wide-eyed muthafuckas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revaluation Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 Originally posted by kken omg this is turning into buzz's political forum... STOP THE MADNESS!!! wtf? if you don't wanna discuss it, then don't read the thread... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revaluation Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 Originally posted by jamiroguy1 Reval.. I like you... I think you a cool dude but I truly feel like I am less of a person now that I've read that ranted couple of paragraphs you just spit out. Let's just agree to disagree cause I don't think your going to change my mind with you're backwards logic and you're not going to change my mind because I'm a hard headed socialist scum.oh yeah...Go skins. it has nothing to do with changing your mind. i don't even know what you think. i just think the media (and others) get away with mischaraterizing the opinion they don't agree with....and it seems to particularly infect young poeple.cool......nuff said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 Originally posted by shadygroovedc I can't wait till we Asians rule the world so we can make all you whiteys our slaves. Then y'all will know what it's like to do someone else's laundry. Fucking wide-eyed muthafuckas. I'll do your laundry for a year if the cowboys win the superbowl this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2tuff Posted October 21 Author Report Share Posted October 21 Originally posted by revaluation I think the United States has an obligation to promote peace throughout the world. And ... ...it should include ridding the world of regimes, organizations, factions, and militants that pose a threat to the security of the world.And no, there isn't room for a pluralistic arguement. Yes, you have the right to practice whatever you want and run your culture however you want...fine. But you cannot include as part of that culture the mass murder of those you see as 'infidels'. This statement by yourself puts you squarely within the current political camp known as the 'neo-conservatives.' its very rare that you (at least for me) meet someone who will actually admit their neoconservative views, did you vote for bush? will you next year?considering your interest in being 'the world's policeman' i think you should look into a high level think tank called PEOPLE FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY - or PNAC for short. PNAC is a sinister organization that counts many dark figures, wolfowitz, rumsfeld, richard perle, bill kristol, james woolsey, and many other hawks. the PNAC drew up a 'contingency plan' for what to do in case of cataclysmic terrorist attack, this plan included finishing bush #41's war in iraq. in the days immediately following 9-11, wolfowitz lobbied hard for a pre-emptive attack on iraq..... check it out:"The Project for the New American Century is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle; and that too few political leaders today are making the case for global leadership. "check this site:http://pnac.info/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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