philippio Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 First off, this post is not intended to instigate a fight on this board or anywhere else. Someone (I think Biz) had posted that my hate for Space is not merely fueled by the fact that it's impossible to convince 2 dear friends to come to Miami. In part, he was right. It was definitely what triggered a cataclysmic effect which culminated in the post before your eyes.I acknowledge that, being a businessman, you always approach a strategic decision about Space or any other venue you may own or have owned in the past, with the intent of earning money. But your clubs exist in a free enterprise. This means that there will be competition and because of the availability of alternate entertainment outlets, for every one who likes your club, there will be someone who hates it. I mean, didn't you see it coming after the Space closing parties? Did you think that everyone was just gonna let it fly and pretend that nothing happened? That would have been unrealistic, and having recently had a very educational discussion with your best resident dj/producer (IMO), CUE, I have realized that you are much smarter than that. But what you really should have realized is that some people demand more from nightlife and they are not going to sit back and allow you or any other club owner to rip us a new asshole with your marketing schemes or scams or whatever went down when Danny played the closing party. I have some respect for club owners but it's just a floating plankton in the Pacific when compared to the respect I have for DT. So instead of bitching and moaning about media pressure on your club due to the drug situation (which understandably, is almost entirely out of your control), why couldn't you have come on CP and said:"I'm sorry for the inconvenience, but Space 34 will close temporarily until we deal with some legal matters and then we'll be right back (possibly with a different name)." Why is it so hard to tell the truth? I honestly don't know. And so I'm asking you. Did you think people weren't going to buy it? I for one, would have commended you on it. This post is not an attack on the type of music or the residents at Space. I realize that you need to bring big dj's to fill such a huge floor. I also appreciate that you're one of a rare few club owners who regularly read posts on this board and participate in music discussions and respond to people's questions or concerns. That is the reason whyt I posted this. I also appreciate the fact that you comp any CP reader who is interested in going to one of the events at Space. Since I don't know you personally, and you don't know me personally, any insults that flew between us are obviously just a result of a flared up temper (at least on my end). I don't dj for a living. I never will. But I have been clubbing long enough to have a pretty good idea of my likes and dislikes. For example, for the regular clubber who goes to Space and pays the $30 or whatever, a $10 drink in a plastic Dixie cup is an insult. Don't worry, Nerve does it too as well as others. Put yourself in this clubber's position... If you had no hook-ups and paid the full cover, say $30, and then you went in and had to pay $10 for every drink in a plastic cup, how would you feel??? The other huge complaint that I would like to talk to you about is the number of people that have walked up to me in the past on many occasions to ask if I want to buy drugs or sell them drugs. Granted some of those are under-cover cops (something you understandably have limited control over). This is another problem that plagues clubs all over the world. It's an unfortunate one but the media thrives on going public with evbery rumor. I know I'm not the only one that this happens to. It just doesn't create a pleasant experience. I'm not saying you need to turn Space into a totalitarian government. Is it too much to ask for that when I go out to dance, I won't be harrassed by drug peddlers or under-cover DEA agents? I know most people would object to searches at the door. I can see why. But look at how many years Vinyl has had that policy. The truth, as much as it hurts, is that drugs will always enter any club. What happened at Vinyl was that people actually tried to take them before they walked in. So in a way, you didn't have people bugging you as much because they knew that it would be quite hard to bring them in. I'm not saying that I would support or criticize such a screening policy at Space (if someone wants to take drugs or sell them it's their business; but please engage in such behavior in a discretre fashion). It's just an idea that I'm sure you have had many times over. Regarding your resident dj's. None play the music that I like to listen and dance to but all my bashing is not an attack on their character or personality because I don't personally know any of them (except Cue). So I hope this long post clears up any misunderstandings. The fact that I don't go to Space anymore and will never ever ever be going there still remains. That is not to say that I won't pop in to catch Oscar G. doing one of his praised sets at MIA or continue supporting Cue at Blue or Tantra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
absolutv Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 holy shit.. i cant read all that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philippio Posted December 18 Author Report Share Posted December 18 no problemo. thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mursa Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 :laugh: bro.........."Journals" are on sale at eckerds , check em out . ... erase Space from your thoughts , let it gooooooooo . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macboy Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 Originally posted by absolutv holy shit.. i cant read all that Seriously. Philip, use a PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arturoantunes Posted December 18 Report Share Posted December 18 damn phillip, you trully have nothing to do right?get a job, a girl, jack off every now and then...play solitary.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southof5th Posted December 19 Report Share Posted December 19 Nobody cares about your two loser friends who don't want to come to Miami...ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koky Posted December 19 Report Share Posted December 19 Originally posted by arturoantunes get a job, a girl, i really doubt that would ever happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobeton Posted December 19 Report Share Posted December 19 Originally posted by philippio First off, this post is not intended to instigate a fight on this board or anywhere else. Someone (I think Biz) had posted that my hate for Space is not merely fueled by the fact that it's impossible to convince 2 dear friends to come to Miami. In part, he was right. It was definitely what triggered a cataclysmic effect which culminated in the post before your eyes.I acknowledge that, being a businessman, you always approach a strategic decision about Space or any other venue you may own or have owned in the past, with the intent of earning money. But your clubs exist in a free enterprise. This means that there will be competition and because of the availability of alternate entertainment outlets, for every one who likes your club, there will be someone who hates it. I mean, didn't you see it coming after the Space closing parties? Did you think that everyone was just gonna let it fly and pretend that nothing happened? That would have been unrealistic, and having recently had a very educational discussion with your best resident dj/producer (IMO), CUE, I have realized that you are much smarter than that. But what you really should have realized is that some people demand more from nightlife and they are not going to sit back and allow you or any other club owner to rip us a new asshole with your marketing schemes or scams or whatever went down when Danny played the closing party. I have some respect for club owners but it's just a floating plankton in the Pacific when compared to the respect I have for DT. So instead of bitching and moaning about media pressure on your club due to the drug situation (which understandably, is almost entirely out of your control), why couldn't you have come on CP and said:"I'm sorry for the inconvenience, but Space 34 will close temporarily until we deal with some legal matters and then we'll be right back (possibly with a different name)." Why is it so hard to tell the truth? I honestly don't know. And so I'm asking you. Did you think people weren't going to buy it? I for one, would have commended you on it. This post is not an attack on the type of music or the residents at Space. I realize that you need to bring big dj's to fill such a huge floor. I also appreciate that you're one of a rare few club owners who regularly read posts on this board and participate in music discussions and respond to people's questions or concerns. That is the reason whyt I posted this. I also appreciate the fact that you comp any CP reader who is interested in going to one of the events at Space. Since I don't know you personally, and you don't know me personally, any insults that flew between us are obviously just a result of a flared up temper (at least on my end). I don't dj for a living. I never will. But I have been clubbing long enough to have a pretty good idea of my likes and dislikes. For example, for the regular clubber who goes to Space and pays the $30 or whatever, a $10 drink in a plastic Dixie cup is an insult. Don't worry, Nerve does it too as well as others. Put yourself in this clubber's position... If you had no hook-ups and paid the full cover, say $30, and then you went in and had to pay $10 for every drink in a plastic cup, how would you feel??? The other huge complaint that I would like to talk to you about is the number of people that have walked up to me in the past on many occasions to ask if I want to buy drugs or sell them drugs. Granted some of those are under-cover cops (something you understandably have limited control over). This is another problem that plagues clubs all over the world. It's an unfortunate one but the media thrives on going public with evbery rumor. I know I'm not the only one that this happens to. It just doesn't create a pleasant experience. I'm not saying you need to turn Space into a totalitarian government. Is it too much to ask for that when I go out to dance, I won't be harrassed by drug peddlers or under-cover DEA agents? I know most people would object to searches at the door. I can see why. But look at how many years Vinyl has had that policy. The truth, as much as it hurts, is that drugs will always enter any club. What happened at Vinyl was that people actually tried to take them before they walked in. So in a way, you didn't have people bugging you as much because they knew that it would be quite hard to bring them in. I'm not saying that I would support or criticize such a screening policy at Space (if someone wants to take drugs or sell them it's their business; but please engage in such behavior in a discretre fashion). It's just an idea that I'm sure you have had many times over. Regarding your resident dj's. None play the music that I like to listen and dance to but all my bashing is not an attack on their character or personality because I don't personally know any of them (except Cue). So I hope this long post clears up any misunderstandings. The fact that I don't go to Space anymore and will never ever ever be going there still remains. That is not to say that I won't pop in to catch Oscar G. doing one of his praised sets at MIA or continue supporting Cue at Blue or Tantra. Yo ! Enough with this bullshit already. I'm moving this to drama. Utilize the PM’s bro... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxgrooveericxx Posted December 19 Report Share Posted December 19 Hmmm.....sounds like DRAMA to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bling Posted December 19 Report Share Posted December 19 not like Lp is gonna read this drivel he wrote. damn phillipo even shocked me today with his comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxgrooveericxx Posted December 19 Report Share Posted December 19 We should settle this on the dance floor!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bling Posted December 19 Report Share Posted December 19 hell yeada da da YYYYYYYYYYYYY MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA comon people dance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disk-ofreak Posted December 19 Report Share Posted December 19 in a NUTSHELL why dosen't he like space, is he some dj who can't get a gig there, or some guy that got kicked out ,never to be allowed back in??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koky Posted December 21 Report Share Posted December 21 Originally posted by xxgrooveericxx We should settle this on the dance floor!!!!! i was thinkin more like in the octagon but some of you guys may not have what it takes :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tranzwhore Posted December 21 Report Share Posted December 21 Originally posted by philippio First off, this post is not intended to instigate a fight on this board or anywhere else. Someone (I think Biz) had posted that my hate for Space is not merely fueled by the fact that it's impossible to convince 2 dear friends to come to Miami. In part, he was right. It was definitely what triggered a cataclysmic effect which culminated in the post before your eyes.I acknowledge that, being a businessman, you always approach a strategic decision about Space or any other venue you may own or have owned in the past, with the intent of earning money. But your clubs exist in a free enterprise. This means that there will be competition and because of the availability of alternate entertainment outlets, for every one who likes your club, there will be someone who hates it. I mean, didn't you see it coming after the Space closing parties? Did you think that everyone was just gonna let it fly and pretend that nothing happened? That would have been unrealistic, and having recently had a very educational discussion with your best resident dj/producer (IMO), CUE, I have realized that you are much smarter than that. But what you really should have realized is that some people demand more from nightlife and they are not going to sit back and allow you or any other club owner to rip us a new asshole with your marketing schemes or scams or whatever went down when Danny played the closing party. I have some respect for club owners but it's just a floating plankton in the Pacific when compared to the respect I have for DT. So instead of bitching and moaning about media pressure on your club due to the drug situation (which understandably, is almost entirely out of your control), why couldn't you have come on CP and said:"I'm sorry for the inconvenience, but Space 34 will close temporarily until we deal with some legal matters and then we'll be right back (possibly with a different name)." Why is it so hard to tell the truth? I honestly don't know. And so I'm asking you. Did you think people weren't going to buy it? I for one, would have commended you on it. This post is not an attack on the type of music or the residents at Space. I realize that you need to bring big dj's to fill such a huge floor. I also appreciate that you're one of a rare few club owners who regularly read posts on this board and participate in music discussions and respond to people's questions or concerns. That is the reason whyt I posted this. I also appreciate the fact that you comp any CP reader who is interested in going to one of the events at Space. Since I don't know you personally, and you don't know me personally, any insults that flew between us are obviously just a result of a flared up temper (at least on my end). I don't dj for a living. I never will. But I have been clubbing long enough to have a pretty good idea of my likes and dislikes. For example, for the regular clubber who goes to Space and pays the $30 or whatever, a $10 drink in a plastic Dixie cup is an insult. Don't worry, Nerve does it too as well as others. Put yourself in this clubber's position... If you had no hook-ups and paid the full cover, say $30, and then you went in and had to pay $10 for every drink in a plastic cup, how would you feel??? The other huge complaint that I would like to talk to you about is the number of people that have walked up to me in the past on many occasions to ask if I want to buy drugs or sell them drugs. Granted some of those are under-cover cops (something you understandably have limited control over). This is another problem that plagues clubs all over the world. It's an unfortunate one but the media thrives on going public with evbery rumor. I know I'm not the only one that this happens to. It just doesn't create a pleasant experience. I'm not saying you need to turn Space into a totalitarian government. Is it too much to ask for that when I go out to dance, I won't be harrassed by drug peddlers or under-cover DEA agents? I know most people would object to searches at the door. I can see why. But look at how many years Vinyl has had that policy. The truth, as much as it hurts, is that drugs will always enter any club. What happened at Vinyl was that people actually tried to take them before they walked in. So in a way, you didn't have people bugging you as much because they knew that it would be quite hard to bring them in. I'm not saying that I would support or criticize such a screening policy at Space (if someone wants to take drugs or sell them it's their business; but please engage in such behavior in a discretre fashion). It's just an idea that I'm sure you have had many times over. Regarding your resident dj's. None play the music that I like to listen and dance to but all my bashing is not an attack on their character or personality because I don't personally know any of them (except Cue). So I hope this long post clears up any misunderstandings. The fact that I don't go to Space anymore and will never ever ever be going there still remains. That is not to say that I won't pop in to catch Oscar G. doing one of his praised sets at MIA or continue supporting Cue at Blue or Tantra. ur starting to sound lke the teacher from the Peanuts cartoon:wah wah wah wah blah blah blah blah blah!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koky Posted December 21 Report Share Posted December 21 Originally posted by tranzwhore ur starting to sound lke the teacher from the Peanuts cartoon:wah wah wah wah blah blah blah blah blah!!!!!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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