marksimons Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 before you reply spewing bile, spitting feathers and telling me to kill myself, ask yourself, how much do you *really*know about nazi germany and how it worked?--The customers always write. I get about 400 e-mails in response to my columns every week, which might explain why I didn't answer yours. Here, slightly edited, is one of the more interesting ones from last week. It's from Herr Moellers in Germany: "Dear Mr. Sorensen, "I have many American friends and used to go on business travel to the U.S. a lot (I stopped doing that after even our European governments have given in to Uncle Sam's appetite for information about individuals traveling to God's Own Country), and I am shocked by the deterioration of democracy in a country that I used to love. This administration is a shame and the destabilization they have brought to the world is scaring the s** out of me. "My father was a Nazi soldier and he realized during the war what he and most of his generation was led into. I have learned from him that a nation can be guilty and that we must stop the arrogance of the powers at the very beginning. To me, America is becoming truly scary and the parallels to the development in Germany of the thirties (although the reason behind it are totally different) are sickening. "Thank you for writing about this development. The world is waiting for signs of opposition in the Unilateral States of America!" Herr Moellers' e-mail is typical of a half dozen or so I've received over the past year from people with intimate knowledge of Nazi Germany. I respect experience, so I'm inclined to believe what these people are telling me. Perhaps their memories help explain the attitude of Germans toward the Bush administration these days. They've been there, they've done that. They know what a corrupt government smells like. But are they "over the top"? Are they overreacting to a normal swing of the pendulum in American politics? To make a comparison between Germany in the 1930s and America now, I relied on a Web site called "A Teacher's Guide to the Holocaust." The passages in quotations below are taken from the site. "With Adolf Hitler's ascendancy to the chancellorship, the Nazi Party quickly consolidated its power. Hitler managed to maintain a posture of legality throughout the Nazification process." Whether by chance or design, George W. Bush is the most powerful American president in modern history. Not only does he have both houses of Congress beholden to him, but the majority of the Supreme Court is acting like a quintet of Bush lapdogs. And it all appears legal. "Domestically, during the next six years, Hitler completely transformed Germany into a police state." Civil libertarians insist that this is happening here now, with the USA Patriot Act in force and Patriot II on the table. "Hitler engaged in a 'diplomatic revolution' by negotiating with other European countries and publicly expressing his strong desire for peace." Nobody can accuse Bush of being overly diplomatic, but, like all political leaders, he is an apostle for peace, even while starting two wars during his brief tenure. In 1933, the Reichstag, Germany's parliament building, was burned to the ground. Nobody knows for sure who set the fire. The Nazis blamed communists. "This incident prompted Hitler[,then Germany's chancellor,] to convince [German President Paul von] Hindenburg to issue a Decree for the Protection of People and State that granted Nazis sweeping power to deal with the so-called emergency." The Reichstag fire parallels the Sept. 11 attacks here, and Hindenburg's decree parallels our USA Patriot Act. Soon after Hitler took power, the concentration camp at Dachau was created and "the Nazis began arresting Communists, Socialists and labor leaders ... . Parliamentary democracy ended with the Reichstag passage of the Enabling Act, which allowed the government to issue laws without the Reichstag." With Bush leading all branches of government around by the nose, there's a question whether parliamentary democracy still exists here. Certainly, concentration camps exist, if we're willing to call the lockup at Guanténamo Bay what it really is. And the USA Patriot Act allows the president to effectively take citizenship rights from any American-born criminal suspect. "Nazi anti-Semitic legislation and propaganda against 'Non-Aryans' was a thinly disguised attack against anyone who had Jewish parents or grandparents. Jews felt increasingly isolated from the rest of German society." How comfortable do American-born Arabs feel in the United States today? While the German concentration camps were being built and Jews were being persecuted, in 1936 Nazi Germany hosted the Olympic Games and put its best face forward to the world. We have the Super Bowl. In the mid- to late 1930s, Germany was able to annex nearby territories without firing a shot. That was because of the threat of the German military, the strongest in the world at the time. That might be compared with the sudden flexibility of Iran, Pakistan, Syria and Libya, all of whom are aware that Bush will do more than just threaten; he'll do it. When one is comparing then and now, I think the most interesting factor is that most German Jews remained in Germany until it was too late. They just couldn't believe Hitler was as dangerous as some people said he was. The more prescient Jews (most often those who could afford to do so) got out, however. Hitler came to power in 1933, but the killing of Jews (and others) didn't begin until five years later, in 1938, with the historic Kristallnacht ("Night of Broken Glass") on Nov. 9. On that day, "nearly 1,000 synagogues were set on fire and 76 were destroyed. More than 7,000 Jewish businesses and homes were looted, about 100 Jews were killed, and as many as 30,000 Jews were arrested and sent to concentration camps to be tormented ... ." We haven't seen anything like that here, nor does it appear to be one the horizon, yet one must wonder about the hundreds shut away in Guanténamo Bay and in other lockups in the United States and throughout the world. I haven't space here to list all of the apparent comparisons between then and now, but you can see them for yourself by reading the teacher's guide mentioned earlier. My conclusion is that some comparisons between modern times and Nazi Germany are valid, and some are not. Enough are valid, in my opinion, however, for us to be wary, and as vigilant as humanly possible. Whatever happens in this year's election, I would hope that Congress, the Supreme Court and the president himself start reeling in the power of the presidency. It has been expanding ever since Franklin D. Roosevelt, if not before, and now it is way out of proportion to what the Founding Fathers had in mind for our system of checks and balances. Our current president has the power to turn the world into turmoil with a mere stroke of the pen. No man should have that much power, no matter who he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattbateman Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 die socialist pig! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Typical response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattbateman Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 only cause he said not to say it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Speaking of commies.... Check this bullshit out... Makes me sick what the RIAA is doing with this latest propaganda push... I think I'll start a thread about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattbateman Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 its prolly bullshit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiroguy1 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Nope... Got it off the home page of cp. There's an article about it.http://clubplanet.com/content/popup/cover404.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoProJoe Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Here's an excellent article comparing the present-day U.S. with Nazi Germany:http://www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer20.htmlSee also http://www.hitler.org/speeches/02-01-33.htmlJust compare Hitler's speech with the words of many U.S. residents -- especially Reagan, Clinton, and the two George Bushes. Replace "November 1918" with September 11, 2001, "fourteen-year misery" with the aftermath of 9/11, "compulsory labor service" with national service, and "communism" with terrorism, and you have quite an interesting speech.Scary, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr mahs Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Originally posted by DiscoProJoe Here's an excellent article comparing the present-day U.S. with Nazi Germany:http://www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer20.htmlSee also http://www.hitler.org/speeches/02-01-33.htmlJust compare Hitler's speech with the words of many U.S. residents -- especially Reagan, Clinton, and the two George Bushes. Replace "November 1918" with September 11, 2001, "fourteen-year misery" with the aftermath of 9/11, "compulsory labor service" with national service, and "communism" with terrorism, and you have quite an interesting speech.Scary, huh? Where does the massacre of MILLIONS of Jews fall into modern day history?I mean c'mon thats the little aspect people are leaving out right? Where are we killing millions for being jewish or even muslim? If we were really acting like Germany there would be concentration camps all over the country gassing Arabs... Until then stick your .org site up your ass!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoProJoe Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Originally posted by mr mahs Until then stick your .org site up your ass!!!!! Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! I love pissing off people like you! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Originally posted by DiscoProJoe Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! I love pissing off people like you! :D That is quite a goal you have established for yourself....you must be proud......Using Nazi's and the mass murder of millions .......what a great human you are...Join marksimons and kill yourself.....the world would be better off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoProJoe Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Originally posted by igloo Join marksimons and kill yourself.....the world would be better off Go support the debt bubble, go give your god named G.W.B. the Nazi salute, and go worship his witch doctor Alan Greenspan while I get rich off my gold investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr mahs Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Originally posted by DiscoProJoe Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! I love pissing off people like you! :D Answer the question Deuchbag! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattbateman Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 re dic u lous hippies drive me nuts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoProJoe Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Originally posted by mr mahs Answer the question Deuchbag! OK...what about the U.S. concentration camps existing outside the country such as in Cuba, the Middle East, etc., which the mainstream media wouldn't dare show?And if we extrapolate present-day political trends into the future, the U.S. could eventually have concentration camps all over North America, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr mahs Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Originally posted by DiscoProJoe OK...what about the U.S. concentration camps existing outside the country such as in Cuba, the Middle East, etc., which the mainstream media wouldn't dare show? Oh you mean the less the a thousand enemy combatants that took arms against us in Afghanistan?? Yeah def resembles the concentration camps in Germany where MILLIONS were executed...Your clueless!Go tie die some shirts you tree hugging hippie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Originally posted by mr mahs Oh you mean the less the a thousand enemy combatants that took arms against us in Afghanistan?? Yeah def resembles the concentration camps in Germany where MILLIONS were executed...Your clueless!Go tie die some shirts you tree hugging hippie! I think this guy DiscoProJoe may have been shitted out by abnormalnoises after a night of recieving jamirolosts rotted cock in his ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoProJoe Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Originally posted by mr mahs Go tie die some shirts you tree hugging hippie! I'm a hardcore libertarian, you typical American fascist. I don't share your Demopublican love of government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpoppanils Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 I am absolutely appalled at any such implication that the US is the least bit similar to Nazi Germany.i think i am going to be sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Originally posted by bigpoppanils I am absolutely appalled at any such implication that the US is the least bit similar to Nazi Germany.i think i am going to be sick. :clap2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeg Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Mein Kampf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmatas2277 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Originally posted by bigpoppanils I am absolutely appalled at any such implication that the US is the least bit similar to Nazi Germany.i think i am going to be sick. sarcasm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druwishprincez Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Im jewish and I have jewish ancestors and I highly doubt that they wouldnt come close to comparing the US to Nazi Germany. Hitler ordered millions of jews to be executed without reason....The fact that they were jewish was enough....The US at least has a tiny bit of reasoning to hold people in "camps". Im not saying its right...But at least there is some reasoning to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpoppanils Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Originally posted by mrmatas2277 sarcasm? actually, no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomembername Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 Originally posted by marksimons Nobody can accuse Bush of being overly diplomatic, but, like all political leaders, he is an apostle for peace, even while starting two wars during his brief tenure. I'm sorry, but which two wars are you talking about that he STARTED? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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