igloo Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 AP: Ethnic Rifts Tearing at al-QaidaBy PAUL HAVEN and KATHERINE SHRADER, Associated Press Writers 27 minutes agoISLAMABAD, Pakistan - American and Pakistani intelligence agents are exploiting a growing rift between Arab members of al-Qaida and their Central Asian allies, a fissure that's tearing at the network of Islamic extremists as militants compete for scarce hideouts, weapons and financial resources, counterterrorism officials say.ADVERTISEMENTThe rivalry may have contributed to the arrest last week of one ofOsama bin Laden's top lieutenants, a Libyan described as al-Qaida's No. 3 and known to have had differences with Uzbeks. Captured Uzbek, Chechen and Tajik suspects have been giving up information about the movements of Arab al-Qaida militants in recent months, four Pakistani intelligence agents told The Associated Press, leading to a series of successful raids and arrests."When push comes to shove, the Uzbeks are going to stick together, and the Arabs are going to stick together," said Kenneth Katzman, a terrorism expert with the Congressional Research Service in Washington. "I think the Uzbek guerrillas have had no home. Some of this could be a battle for survival."The Pakistani agents, who hold sensitive jobs in various military and intelligence agencies in several cities, all spoke on condition their names not be used.U.S. officials declined to comment on the schism. One, however, noted that al-Qaida and its allies do not always function as a cohesive unit. And another cautioned, "There may be a division, but you haven't won anyone over to your side." The official spoke on condition his name not be used because of the sensitive topic.Abu Farraj al-Libbi, the Libyan and top al-Qaida operative, was captured in the northwestern part of Pakistan on May 2 after a fierce gunbattle. Now in Pakistani custody, he's accused of planning two assassination attempts on President Gen. Pervez Musharraf.Al-Libbi used Pakistanis, not Central Asians, to carry out the December 2003 attacks on Musharraf — a sign of who he trusted, authorities said. And al-Libbi sent a Pakistani suicide bomber, they said, to try to kill the prime minister in 2004.An agent in Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence, the country's equivalent of theCIA, said tensions with the Central Asians began building in late 2001, when hundreds of Arab al-Qaida militants — including possibly bin Laden — poured across the Afghan border into the Pakistani tribal areas of South and North Waziristan.Hundreds of Central Asians who had fought alongside the Taliban fled across the border, too, joining countrymen who had settled in Waziristan in the 1980s Afghan war against the Soviets.The official said many new arrivals took up residence in rambling mud-brick compounds run by the al-Qaida-linked Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, whose fighters also were hiding in the area. The Arabs settled in different towns in Waziristan, setting up training facilities in Shakai where they trained Pakistani recruits.Many Central Asians had been living in the region for years without incident. But the flood of Arab al-Qaida suspects brought unwanted attention and problems.At the same time, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan was left rudderless. Its commander and co-founder, Juma Namangani, was reportedly killed in a U.S. bombing campaign in late 2001.He was replaced by Tahir Yuldash, known as a political philosopher rather than a military leader, said Katzman of the Congressional Research Service."They didn't have a strong figure any more to articulate their interests," said Katzman, whose agency advises U.S. lawmakers. "They had to rely more on the Arab leaders of al-Qaida."The heat began to rise amid a Pakistani military crackdown that flushed many militants out of the region in 2003 and 2004.The Uzbeks and other Central Asians found themselves competing with Arab members of al-Qaida for hideouts and resources with Arabs having the political and economic advantage, Katzman said.Adding to the tensions was a lack of trust by senior al-Qaida figures in the Central Asian fighters, said a senior Pakistani Interior Ministry official.Another Pakistani security agent said the Central Asians "were al-Qaida's foot soldiers, but they were never promoted. They felt ignored. The Central Asians were not happy," he added. "Osama bin laden and (his Egyptian deputy) Ayman al-Zawahri only trusted Arabs."Increasingly, the two sides began operating independently, often competing for the same money, weapons and dwindling areas of influence among the Pakistani tribesmen. Captured Uzbek, Chechen and Tajik fighters felt far more loyalty to Yuldash than to the Arab al-Qaida men.The Pakistani intelligence official said it was difficult to get captured Uzbeks to talk about Yuldash, "but it was a lot easier to grill them for clues about the Arabs and their possible hideouts. They felt far less loyalty."Another possible motivation for cooperation among captured Central Asians is a fear of being turned over to their home countries, which also have cracked down on Islamic militants.Information from captive Uzbeks and Chechens — as well as paid informants working with Pakistani and American intelligence — helped authorities carry out a devastating raid on al-Qaida's training camp in Shakai in June 2004, Pakistani officials told AP.That raid was a turning point, driving al-Qaida militants from their hideouts and making them easier to find.Several militants, including a nephew of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed — the alleged Sept. 11 mastermind who was captured in March 2003 — were arrested in Karachi after the Shakai raid. Ultimately, police seized Mohammed Naeem Noor Khan, a 25-year-old computer expert whose hard-drives held information about apparent plans to attack Heathrow Airport, financial sites in the United States and other targets.Khan led authorities to Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, a Tanzanian with a $25 million U.S. bounty on his head for his role in the deadly 1998 embassy bombings in Africa. Ghailani, a confidant of al-Libbi, was arrested July 25 after a gunbattle in eastern Pakistan.Less is known about what led to al-Libbi's arrest.The Interior Ministry official told AP al-Libbi narrowly escaped arrest in the northwestern city of Peshawar in August 2004, but that authorities never completely lost his trail.An intercept by U.S. agents of a cell phone call made by al-Libbi reportedly helped Pakistani agents track him down. They lay in wait — some disguised in women's all-encompassing burqas — then pounced as he and a colleague drove by motorcycle across a cemetery in Mardan.Pakistani security agents say they're confident they have broken al-Qaida's back, although bin Laden and al-Zawahri remain at large."Al-Qaida is no longer intact in Pakistan as a network," said Gen. Shaukat Sultan, the chief army spokesman. "Every organization needs a command structure and communication, and we have effectively destroyed both of them."___Associated Press writers Katherine Shrader in Washington and Munir Ahmad in Islamabad contributed to this report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mursa Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 ..... yes, yes the pastures must be green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted May 11 Author Report Share Posted May 11 I give you credit.......you have an endless well of stupidity that you tap into......I guess your continual streak of pure imbecile is some type of talent......congrats bafoon, finally something to be proud of.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mursa Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 ...look igloo , yet another sign of their Desperation and Internal Rifts http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050511030109990013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted May 11 Author Report Share Posted May 11 ...look igloo , yet another sign of their Desperation and Internal Rifts http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050511030109990013mursa.....you are an imbecile.....just deal with it. Your are dumb, pathetic, and a schmuck. The first step in dealing with it is simply to accept it.And once again, you proved it with this post. You really have no idea what you are talking about, and never did. Please refrain from trying to pretend you understand events, because you don't, and your bafoonery takes away time that we can never get back.Now accept it, stop wasting time with your posts, and use the time constructively by enrolling in clown school. Yes, mursa, even imbeciles like yourself can have a future.Good Luck son. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mursa Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 cheer up igloo , no need for a temper tantrum ....... the War on Terror is being WON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! , smile ps..imma get you some collard greens to munch on ya sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted May 11 Author Report Share Posted May 11 cheer up igloo , no need for a temper tantrum ....... the War on Terror is being WON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! , smile ps..imma get you some collard greens to munch on ya sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtk4 Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 just remember jesus saves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italia23 Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 Why do some people have such a hard time believing that the War on Terror is effective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted May 12 Author Report Share Posted May 12 Why do some people have such a hard time believing that the War on Terror is effective?peeps believe that being a doom and gloom the u.s sucks person covers up their stupidity italia23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mursa Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 ...just another sign of desperation/conflict between al-qaeda and other terrorist groups ........... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,156288,00.html Mission Accomplished ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris817 Posted May 12 Report Share Posted May 12 Why do some people have such a hard time believing that the War on Terror is effective?B/C being effective means its working; In the past 2 years there have been more terriorist attacks then before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted May 12 Author Report Share Posted May 12 ...just another sign of desperation/conflict between al-qaeda and other terrorist groups ........... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,156288,00.html Mission Accomplished !Your dedication to your stupidity is admirable.....get fitted for your clown nose yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mursa Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 blah blah blah ........while you continue with your Right wing propoganda and editorials .... I simply smack ya across the face with reality , and even with articles of news events from your holy grail of news (foxnews) Nibble on that you sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igloo Posted May 13 Author Report Share Posted May 13 blah blah blah ........while you continue with your Right wing propoganda and editorials .... I simply smack ya across the face with reality , and even with articles of news events from your holy grail of news (foxnews) Nibble on that you sheepKeep going......your continual display of your mental retardation is outstanding...not that any further proof was needed, but it is enjoyable every now and then when the utter imbecile in you makes these appearances.....Not sure what has the higher degree of stupidity........your stupidity itself, or how you proudly show off your stupidity by backing up your stupidity with more stupidity(i.e. this thread)..........I guess either way, the conclusion is the same. You are stupid.Did you go with the rainbow striped or polka-dot clown suit for your first day of class? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpoppanils Posted May 13 Report Share Posted May 13 Keep going......your continual display of your mental retardation is outstanding...not that any further proof was needed, but it is enjoyable every now and then when the utter imbecile in you makes these appearances.....Not sure what has the higher degree of stupidity........your stupidity itself, or how you proudly show off your stupidity by backing up your stupidity with more stupidity(i.e. this thread)..........I guess either way, the conclusion is the same. You are stupid.Did you go with the rainbow striped or polka-dot clown suit for your first day of class?thats enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philippio Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 This dude's on my team next World Cup! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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