Guido trash: subhuman garbage or aliens?

[abrooksbro]

I've actually been to Italy, real Italians are cool, they are not like the guido trash here, and they in fact hate American guidos

[seblg]

But it's all made shit because of the American english. In England, where they actually take pride in their language, which is indeed, english, they don't call what the American's speak english. They call it American ... it all comes down to culture.

[diabolik]

The reason those words are pronounced the way they are is because Italians living in the United States are by the vast majority southerners speaking southern dialects. People that say things like, "MOTTS-A-RELL-A" are Northern Italians whom have their own sperate way of speaking. Neither way is wrong, its like an Englishman saying "Thank You" and a Spaniard saying "Gracias." Italy before 1871 was a country of a few dozen small republics, each having their own seperate language, culture, tradition, etc. The South of Italy was known as The Kingdom of the Two Sicilies and extended from Naples and Campobasso down to Sicily. These areas had heavy linguistic influence from the French, Normans, and Spaniards.

When the Northern Italians conquered the South of Italy, they decided to use the dialect of Florence as the national language. They argued that this was the language of Dante and since it was from a central area of the new nation that it would be equally easy to learn by both Northerners and Southerners. A national language was necessary because some of the northern dialects are almost unintelligible from the extreme southern ones. I speak Neapolitan dialect and I have a hard time understanding some of my friends from Calabria and Sicily. Are they speaking wrongly? Of course they're not they are speaking a different language than I am.

Unfortunately, many of the young Neapolitans, Sicilians, etc are using their local languages less and less. Parents scold their children for speaking Neapolitan because they feel it will lessen their chances of getting good jobs in the future. The economy of the South is very poor and many young men and women from these areas must go North to find work. In the North their home languages would not be accepted by the Northerners, whom if I may add have a history of xenophobia towards the south of Italy. This is why many people in the major tourist areas in the south (Napoli, Sorrento, Amalfi, Capri) speak "Italian" (florentine dialect) because it is the language which is understood to be Italian and is the easiest to use for commerce, etc. However if you venture outside these areas, particularly to my family's town Piano di Sorrento which is right up the mountain near downtown Sorrento, dialect is the norm and "Italian" is only used outside the home when speaking to non southerners.

Regardless of how someone pronounces Mozzarella or Biscotti or Manicotti, you can't say someone is "saying it wrong" because they're saying it in the language of their ancestors. The Northenrers can say it their way and the Southerners can say it their way and we can all get along. Southernes have a right to be proud of their ancestry and their language.

[abrooksbro]

I'm glad you cut and pasted a historical summary, but that doesn't change the fact that Vito from North Jersey doesn't speak in a Southern Italian dialect, probably is several generations removed from Italy, and just sounds like greasy wop trash by talking in such a manner.

[diabolik]

I'm glad you cut and pasted a historical summary, but that doesn't change the fact that Vito from North Jersey doesn't speak in a Southern Italian dialect, probably is several generations removed from Italy, and just sounds like greasy wop trash by talking in such a manner.

I'm an History major at my university and I'm working on my Italian Studies minor right now. Glad you enjoyed my "cut and paste."

[abrooksbro]

I'm an History major at my university and I'm working on my Italian Studies minor right now. Glad you enjoyed my "cut and paste."

I'm very proud of you, but the point is, the historical info you gave us is utterly useless to this argument. The people in question, the aforementioned guido trash, are not FOB from Italy, they don't speak Italian, they in general have fractioned heritage of which a % (a large one usually) is Italian, but they are usually several generations removed from the "old country" and to bastardize the words and pronounce them the way a FOB I-tai or someone in Sicily might say it, is just stupid

[ghhhhhost]

i appreciate your well thought out and presented argument. it still doesnt change the fact that I cringe when i hear the butchering of certain words. my point..as i stated before..is that I am tired of non-italians..aka italian americans with no grasp of the italian language telling me how to pronounce certain things..especially considering that I am from the Dalmatian coast and the area where i am from was under Venetian rule at one point..and we retained a lot of italian words in our dialect...and for fucks sake..if theres a vowel @ the end of a word..pronounce it

[bella53081]

The reason those words are pronounced the way they are is because Italians living in the United States are by the vast majority southerners speaking southern dialects. People that say things like, "MOTTS-A-RELL-A" are Northern Italians whom have their own sperate way of speaking. Neither way is wrong, its like an Englishman saying "Thank You" and a Spaniard saying "Gracias." Italy before 1871 was a country of a few dozen small republics, each having their own seperate language, culture, tradition, etc. The South of Italy was known as The Kingdom of the Two Sicilies and extended from Naples and Campobasso down to Sicily. These areas had heavy linguistic influence from the French, Normans, and Spaniards.

When the Northern Italians conquered the South of Italy, they decided to use the dialect of Florence as the national language. They argued that this was the language of Dante and since it was from a central area of the new nation that it would be equally easy to learn by both Northerners and Southerners. A national language was necessary because some of the northern dialects are almost unintelligible from the extreme southern ones. I speak Neapolitan dialect and I have a hard time understanding some of my friends from Calabria and Sicily. Are they speaking wrongly? Of course they're not they are speaking a different language than I am.

Unfortunately, many of the young Neapolitans, Sicilians, etc are using their local languages less and less. Parents scold their children for speaking Neapolitan because they feel it will lessen their chances of getting good jobs in the future. The economy of the South is very poor and many young men and women from these areas must go North to find work. In the North their home languages would not be accepted by the Northerners, whom if I may add have a history of xenophobia towards the south of Italy. This is why many people in the major tourist areas in the south (Napoli, Sorrento, Amalfi, Capri) speak "Italian" (florentine dialect) because it is the language which is understood to be Italian and is the easiest to use for commerce, etc. However if you venture outside these areas, particularly to my family's town Piano di Sorrento which is right up the mountain near downtown Sorrento, dialect is the norm and "Italian" is only used outside the home when speaking to non southerners.

Regardless of how someone pronounces Mozzarella or Biscotti or Manicotti, you can't say someone is "saying it wrong" because they're saying it in the language of their ancestors. The Northenrers can say it their way and the Southerners can say it their way and we can all get along. Southernes have a right to be proud of their ancestry and their language.

thank you for posting this, exactly. i know a lot of northern italians think they are better than southerners, which leads to a lot of trash talk about southern dialect, etc. its a different form of dialect of the traditional italian, just like there are many spanish dialects as well....

let the haters hate.....

ghost i feel u on the phony aspect of guidos. But for the most part those people were raised by first or second generation italians and are picking up the words and accents from their parents....and they're not hurting anyone. if anything they are just proud of their heritage.....

which a lot of americans are NOT. many people here can't identify with their own heritage because they flat out dont' care or the traditions have been long gone.... and have no culture. lame.

if u really want to attack bastardization of a language go after people who speak ebonics.....

[abrooksbro]

lol at Bella thinking pronouncing words wrong = having culture

[diabolik]

I'm very proud of you, but the point is, the historical info you gave us is utterly useless to this argument. The people in question, the aforementioned guido trash, are not FOB from Italy, they don't speak Italian, they in general have fractioned heritage of which a % (a large one usually) is Italian, but they are usually several generations removed from the "old country" and to bastardize the words and pronounce them the way a FOB I-tai or someone in Sicily might say it, is just stupid

I agree with you there. I really enjoy seeing a guy with an Italia track jacket and Italian flag tatoo and the whole nine yards, I just walk up to them and start speaking Italian and they just give me a dumbfounded look. I don't mind anybody bashing wannabe Italian Americans, I was just trying to point out that the pronunciation of certain words that some people consider stupid, ignorant, uneducated etc, is none of the above because those pronunciations come from a language that is not and does not try to be the "italian" that is used as the official language of Italy.

[bella53081]

lol at Bella thinking pronouncing words wrong = having culture

all i can do now is just laugh at u for thinking u know everything, even what other people are saying.

STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fkornre]

another good thread damn i missed all the fun this week...

[fkornre]

hey at least when they do that..theyre being truthful about their abilities...not tttttrying to be something theyre clearly not..

ILL TAKE AN ORDA' OF GALAMA AND SOME MUTZARELL AND BRUSH-KETTA...WHAT KIND OF PATA YOU GOT? OH RIGOTTA? COOL...AND HOW ABOUT SOME MANIGOTT FOR AN APP?

ugh fuckin die

:laugh: dude...im dying over here....

[Anthony_Danza]

Hey,

Guidos is people too ya know.

Dey got feelings.

[bella53081]

thought you were done arguing with him bella?

lol you crack me up

do you realize you are arguing with someone you have never met in REAL life and getting upset over a thread that is called "Guido trash: subhuman garbage or aliens?"

i just felt the need to bring that to your attention. enjoy your sunday

yeah, of course i realize that. And he's never met me either so i gotta go by how he presents himself online to me and that is of a douchebag. he's never met me either, what about his assumptions of how i am and what im like? isn't that wrong too?

[abrooksbro]

Come on though, i t's pretty obvious from your posts that you're a moron. I'd be shocked if you even went to college (if you did i'm sure it was some garbage SUNY school or Hofstra)

[bella53081]

Come on though, i t's pretty obvious from your posts that you're a moron. I'd be shocked if you even went to college (if you did i'm sure it was some garbage SUNY school or Hofstra)

actually i'm not a moron. Graduated w honors in hs and received two scholarships for college....I did go to a good suny school and I graduated cum laude, nominated for distinguished intern at the nys assembly, took LSAT twice......my publication won 2 awards at my job last year....

[abrooksbro]

why would you be proud of taking the LSAT twice? Everyone knows you never take it more than once unless you do horrible the first time. Also since when is there a "good" SUNY school

[drdoom]

why would you be proud of taking the LSAT twice? Everyone knows you never take it more than once unless you do horrible the first time. Also since when is there a "good" SUNY school

Brooks if I’m not mistaken, you implied that you went to undergrad in DC. Where did you go – Georgetown, GW, etc?

[bella53081]

why would you be proud of taking the LSAT twice? Everyone knows you never take it more than once unless you do horrible the first time. Also since when is there a "good" SUNY school

as you know the LSAT is a difficult test. i took the LSAT the first time and i did decent actually the first time....I was trying to improve my score by taking it again, when the scores were still averaged, since most schools want a certain score.

goodbye!

its been real

[abrooksbro]

Brooks if I’m not mistaken, you implied that you went to undergrad in DC. Where did you go – Georgetown, GW, etc?

Nope, that was just a summer I spent in D.C. while I interned in the Senate. Bella being as you can do worse the second time, no one chances a second go around unless they did horrible. Clearly your averaged score plus your "top notch" SUNY degree still wasn't good enough, I can read your guido trash like a book

[drdoom]

Nope, that was just a summer I spent in D.C. while I interned in the Senate. Bella being as you can do worse the second time, no one chances a second go around unless they did horrible. Clearly your averaged score plus your "top notch" SUNY degree still wasn't good enough, I can read your guido trash like a book

Where did you go undergrad?

[abrooksbro]

Where did you go undergrad?

You know full well I don't give out personal info like that

[lolahotass]

[drdoom]

You know full well I don't give out personal info like that

Can I at least get a state?