they have the nerve....

[starcapone]

i don't know if other bartenders so this but when i went to limelight they decide to take a dollar for themselves w/o asking or me offering it to them. shit water is $3 already take your tip outta that. i swear the next time that happens i'm gonna go off.

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[j303j]

i hate when the bartenders do that really pisses me off

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[bluegirl]

that's never happened to me

but since i used to be a waitress, i'm always overtipping

however cab drivers are always doing that

[spoonyd]

Just wondering,

Are you saying you were going to stiff the bartender after buying the $3 bottle of water?

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[starcapone]

spoonyd- what's do u mean by stiff?

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[misskittie]

OMG I so know what you mean. The bartenders at Limelight SUCK! They really do. They never smile at you or really say hi or thank you. Then they dont even fill your dink all the way after spending 8 bucks on the damn thing. So, you dont give a tip because they are an assshole to you and when you are walking away they have the nevrve to ask for a tip. You tell them no and they say "DONT OME BACK TO MY BAR THEN"

WTF?!?! Since when is it mandatory to leave a tip? Especially to an unfriendly bartender??? If Im egtting more than one drink then fine but they never let me get more than one anyway. Fuck that!

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[bluegirl]

DAMN, I NEVER HAD ONE OF THESE BAD EXPERIENCES, IT WOULD UPSET ME TOO!

BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN TO LIMELIGHT IN YEARS, SO I COULDN'T COMMENT ON THAT PLACE

BUT I THINK THE BARTENDERS @ SF ARE THE FRIENDLIEST

[spoonyd]

stiff = not tip

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[misskittie]

Originally posted by psknoll:

I'm a bartender at a high volume club, so I know what you guys are saying. First off--thanks Blueangel--you understand. I'm sorry so many of you guys have had bad experiences w/ bartenders in the City. Just please remember its not our fault you paid $10 for a cosmo, and you paid $25 to get in and water is $5---we DON'T set the prices. People should take this into consideration when they decide to stiff us cause the club's to expensive. I HATE CHEAP PEOPLE!!

Oh hey hon, I dont stiff b/c of the prices. Not at all. I wont tip because of the service and Im not just like this in clubs either. Im like this everywehe. You give crappy service, you wont get anything. When you go to the city, you have to know the prices and be ready for that otherwise dont go. But still, we deserve good service too. If I find a great bartender in ac lub, Ill keep going to him evertime I go and once I become friendly, I give a $30 dollar tip at the end of the night. Im not cheap...jsut like good service!

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[psknoll]

I hear you misskittie! Everyone's entitled to good and friendly service. It's just a little easier said than done sometimes. Good Luck in bartending school.

[blueangel]

Even though it's wrong for them to do that . . . you have to understand how hard it is to be a bartender especially in a club. I've seen a lot of occasion where somebody orders like 5 drinks and leave $2 or 7 drinks and leave $3. It really sucks!! The common courtesy in a bar is $1/$2 per drink . . . people don't do that in a club. So, when these bartenders have to face people yelling orders on top of loud music and then have this person or that person stiffing them left and right . . . well I'd be kinda bitter too. Wouldn't you??

It's a hard job . . don't bust on em' unless you've walked in their shoes.

BlueAngel

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[sirdante]

that happened to me for the first time last week at a bar here in MA. WTF?!?

that is one of the most impetuous things ive ever seen in my life. i dont know the guy, but fortunately i know his sister. im gonna tell her to tell him that that was an asshole thing to do. if he gets stiffed by other people, thats not my problem. i know how to tip. jeesh.

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[spoonyd]

thank you blue

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[misskittie]

Im about to go to bartending school soon. I understand its a pain but half the time I stand there for 20 minutes before I get my drink b/c they are too slow. They stand there with these mean looks on their faces and never even say thank you. They should be friendly and polite if they want tips. And they chose to do this. We didnt force them to be bartenders. If you want my tip, I expect u to be nice and smile. And thank you helps too. I use to waitress and was always, and I means always extra friendly no matter how bitchy I myself was. Its just common courtesy.

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[mysteriousss]

I've had that happen with a waitress. I was gonna leave her the rest of the money but she decided to keep the change instead of brining it back to me and having me leave it on the table. I thought that was kind of rude but she must have read my mind that I was gonna leave it for her anyway

[sirdante]

Originally posted by blueangel:

Even though it's wrong for them to do that . . . you have to understand how hard it is to be a bartender especially in a club. I've seen a lot of occasion where somebody orders like 5 drinks and leave $2 or 7 drinks and leave $3. It really sucks!! The common courtesy in a bar is $1/$2 per drink . . . people don't do that in a club. So, when these bartenders have to face people yelling orders on top of loud music and then have this person or that person stiffing them left and right . . . well I'd be kinda bitter too. Wouldn't you??

It's a hard job . . don't bust on em' unless you've walked in their shoes.

BlueAngel

i have walked in their shoes. as a service professional, i know it sucks to get stiffed, but thats part of the job. all that matters is the total amount you go home with at the end of the night. a good server will get more over-tips than stiffs.

a tip is a token of the customers appreciation, nothing more. you make your living by serving customers. those that dont appreciate can go fuck themselves, but theres no reason to respond to some rude people by being rude to other people. its simply unacceptable.

if you cant handle both the ups and downs of the job, you r in the wrong profession. if u dont like the tip game, u cant just change the rules.

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[bluegirl]

MISSKITTIE, YOU BEAT ME TO IT

I WAS ABOUT TO SAY EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID

I KNOW HOW IT IS WORKING ON TIPS, AND IF YOU WANT A GOOD ONE, YOU NEED TO BE NICE AND FRIENDLY TO EVERYONE.

I PROBABLY WOULD LEAVE A BIGGER TIP THAN IF THEY TOOK ONE OUT, BUT IF A BARTENDER EVER TAKES ONE OUT

THAT'S ALL HE'S GETTING FROM AND ME

AND

I WOULD TELL HIM, YOU SHOULDN'T TAKE OUT YOUR OWN TIPS BECAUSE I WOULD'VE LEFT YOU MORE

THEN I WOULD GIVE HIM A HUGE

WHENEVER SOMEONE IS RUDE TO YOU

GIVE THEM A SMILE

I GUARANTEE, THEY'LL APOLOGIZE, OR THEY'LL FEEL REALLY LOW

[spoonyd]

uh-oh

Kittie also makes a strong point.

I'll have to admit, when for some reason I don't tip a bartender, and they bitch about paying their bills, I always feel they should have thought of that before they became bartenders.

I didn't go to University and get a good education and job just to make up for other people's lack of ambition.

At they same time, they are providing a service and get shit on all the time by people who think just that.

What can I say... we walk a tightrope everytime. Ah, the politics of clubbing.

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[blueangel]

misskittie, for your sake I hope you end up bartending in very low key establishment and NOT in a club. Very slow?? I have yet seen a bardtender in a club that is slow. If they take a while with your drink it's because they have a mob of people that they have to take care of.

You can't expect these bartenders to be like robots. AND I have worked as a waitress myself . . . in a VERY busy establishment and although I agree with you that a friendly smile goes long ways . . . I know how it feels to be stiffed as well. For me it didn't happen too often, but in a bar it happens all the time.

BlueAngel

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[nickijay]

I just tip way too much. I remember those miserable waitressing days. What a shitty job that was. I guess you can really appreciate what these people go through when you've been there yourself!!!

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[vampienyc10]

I hate that shit too.. That happenedt o me at The World on Sat. Nite.. I was at the back bar, ordered two reg mixed drinks and two shots, bitch charged me 45 dollars..I went to another car and was only charged 32 dollars.. and to mention that my friend (one of the promoters) gave me drink tickets and the bitch wouldn't take them..

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[misskittie]

Well Blueangel I do plan on going to a club. Especially after where Im going to bartending school. Many times they are slow and Ive noticed it. I understand the mobs of people and I let that go but stop bs'ing with your co-workers. Get your job done then talk .

I use to work in a very high class resaturant which was extremely busy. I never once got stiffed but Im ready for that to happen when and if I get into a city club as a bartender. It happens and Im ready to accept that but I will work for it like I did when waitressing. Please I use to get 50 dollar tips. I know how to work it properly.

If I dotn get a tip then fine. Im only going to do bartending for the fun of it. I know many are in it for the money and thats fine but be nice. I dont have to leave a tip and if ur an asshole to me, YOURE NOT GETTING ONE! Plain and simple. I work hard for my money too. I do a lot here even though it doesnt seem like I do but Im good at multi tasking. Be polite, and you'll get my appreciation.

I dont stiff all bartenders. Thast not it at all. I spend lots of money on tip but when I come across a bartender who isnt worthy of my money, they wont get one.

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[psknoll]

I'm a bartender at a high volume club, so I know what you guys are saying. First off--thanks Blueangel--you understand. I'm sorry so many of you guys have had bad experiences w/ bartenders in the City. Just please remember its not our fault you paid $10 for a cosmo, and you paid $25 to get in and water is $5---we DON'T set the prices. People should take this into consideration when they decide to stiff us cause the club's to expensive. I HATE CHEAP PEOPLE!!