Whatever......I'm pretty sure IBClubbin is talking about the vibe, not the place itself...He has a point...If you close factory and then close a place like, EXIT , ...It's totally different...There is nowhere else like it, whether YOU like it or not..Yeh, it was a little better years ago....so what? A couple, or shall I say...a lot of crackheads won't stop me from goin somewhere...Crowded at times but unbeatable...in MY opinion..Oh yeah...and JP is the shit ...