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  1. According to who? You? Jordanian state television just recently aired confessions from Al-Qaida terrorists they arrested who were planning on detonating chemical bombs (vx- aka WMD's) probably killing up to 80,000 Jordanians. These Al-Qaida terrorist confessed to have had chemical weapons training in Iraq prior to the U.S. invasion. They claimed to have met w/ the top Al-Qaida guy in Iraq. So, WMD's transferred to Jordan through Syria which just so happens to border Iraq means nothing to you? Their confessions on state T.V. in Jordan make that link. Is this propaganda as well? Seems like you're being a little intellectually dishonest about this. I'm assuming you have no problem w/ us attacking/invading Afghanistan. We were attacking Al-Qaida. Al-Qaida in on every continent. I'm assuming you would have been against invading Pakistan as well (also crawling w/ Al-Qaida). Your problem is Iraq. You're against going into Iraq. So, my point by bringing up Pakistan is you probably would be against invading them as well. Sounds like your picking and choosing which country we can or cannot invade. This is a war on terror. America was warned this will be a long, long war which will be fought on multiple fronts. What is it about that which you don't understand? You know what you know,,,,,,HOW? Are your "contacts" better than that of our CIA or the U.K.'s or the U.N.'s????????? All of them along w/ our congress ALL AGREED W/ THE THREAT SADDAM POSED. The disagreement w/ in the U.N. and some in congress was about invading Iraq, not about the threat it posed. Those critics believed a diplomatic solution was plausible. After 12 yrs and 17 resolutions, this admin along w/ over 30 nations believe diplomacy had failed and force would be needed. Those are the facts, in a nutshell. The only propaganda I read here is your baseless slant and myopic perception of reality. SPIN BABY, SPIN! Again, according to who? Who do you think you are? You base you OPINION on what facts? You seem to forget that the threat Iraq posed was made clear by the majority of congress (including Hillary, Tom Daschel, John Kerry, etc..), Bill Clinton and his entire admin and that congress, the U.N., Hans Blix, Saddam himself, etc..etc..etc.... The conflict in the U.N. was the veto threat from France and Russia who we now know were raping the Iraq people w/ the help of Saddam w/ the Oil for Food program. So much for them. Look like they were just covering their asses. Iraqi newspapers have published a list of world leaders who personally profited from the scam. Guess who's not on that list? Bush and Cheney! This is not made up, IT'S FACT! You seem to be repeating DNC talking points about Bush lying??? This is just silly. Based on what? Amuse me, please. I can't believe this even has to be elaborated on. If you don't believe this, IT'S CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO, NOT BECAUSE IT'S UNTRUE. If you're soooooooo sure, PROVE IT! PROVE TO ME HOW AND WHY Iraq has nothing to do w/ this war on terror. PROVE IT! I've given a sample of concrete, documented facts and events to back up my position. BACK YOURS UP! So far, all I hear is NEWS FROM THE GRASSY KNOLL. Conspiracy this, conspiracy that............... We did give peace a chance. Saddam chose this path. Where you absent those days? Besides, clear thinkers ALL know peace is always and has always been governed by the threat or use of force. You too are entitled to your opinion, but a little advice...........USE LESS HEART AND MORE BRAINS on this issue, it's impact and importance should all become crystal clear.
  2. Saddam's al Qaeda Connection From the September 1 / September 8, 2003 issue: The evidence mounts, but the administration says surprisingly little. by Stephen F. Hayes 09/01/2003, Volume 008, Issue 48 KIDS KNOW exactly when it comes--the point when you're repaving a driveway or pouring a new sidewalk, right before the wet concrete hardens completely. That's when you can make your mark. The Democrats seem to understand this. For months before the war in Iraq, the Bush administration claimed to know of ties between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's Iraq. For months after the war, the Bush administration has offered scant evidence of those claims. And the conventional wisdom--that there were no links--is solidifying. So Democrats are making their mark. "The evidence now shows clearly that Saddam did not want to work with Osama bin Laden at all, much less give him weapons of mass destruction." So claimed Al Gore in an August 7 speech. "There is evidence of exaggeration" of Iraq-al Qaeda links, said Carl Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, who recently launched an investigation into prewar intelligence. "Clearly the al Qaeda connection was hyped and exaggerated, in my view," said Senator Dianne Feinsten. Chimed in Jane Harman, the ranking Democrat on the House Select Committee on Intelligence, as reported in the National Journal, "The evidence on the al Qaeda links was sketchy." Jay Rockefeller, the ranking Democrat on the Senate side of that committee, agrees. "The evidence about the ties was not compelling." These are serious charges that deserve to be answered. If critics can show that the administration overplayed the al Qaeda-Saddam connection, they will undermine not only an important rationale for removing the Iraqi dictator, but the broader, arguably more important case for the war--that the conflict in Iraq was one battle in the worldwide war on terror. What, then, did the Bush administration say about this relationship before the war? Which parts of that case, if any, have been invalidated by the intelligence gathered in the months following the conflict? What is this new "evidence," cited by Gore and others, that reveals the administration's arguments to have been embellished? Finally, what if any new evidence has emerged that bolsters the Bush administration's prewar case? The answer to that last question is simple: lots. The CIA has confirmed, in interviews with detainees and informants it finds highly credible, that al Qaeda's Number 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri, met with Iraqi intelligence in Baghdad in 1992 and 1998. More disturbing, according to an administration official familiar with briefings the CIA has given President Bush, the Agency has "irrefutable evidence" that the Iraqi regime paid Zawahiri $300,000 in 1998, around the time his Islamic Jihad was merging with al Qaeda. "It's a lock," says this source. Other administration officials are a bit more circumspect, noting that the intelligence may have come from a single source. Still, four sources spread across the national security hierarchy have confirmed the payment. In interviews conducted over the past six weeks with uniformed officers on the ground in Iraq, intelligence officials, and senior security strategists, several things became clear. Contrary to the claims of its critics, the Bush administration has consistently underplayed the connections between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. Evidence of these links existed before the war. In making its public case against the Iraq regime, the Bush administration used only a fraction of the intelligence it had accumulated documenting such collaboration. The intelligence has, in most cases, gotten stronger since the end of the war. And through interrogations of high-ranking Iraqi officials, documents from the regime, and further interrogation of al Qaeda detainees, a clearer picture of the links between Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein is emerging. To better understand the administration's case on these links, it's important to examine three elements of this debate: what the administration alleged, the evidence the administration had but didn't use, and what the government has learned since the war. WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION ALLEGED TOP U.S. OFFICIALS linked Iraq and al Qaeda in newspaper op-eds, on talk shows, and in speeches. But the most detailed of their allegations came in an October 7, 2002, letter from CIA director George Tenet to Senate Intelligence chairman Bob Graham and in Secretary of State Colin Powell's February 5, 2003, presentation to the United Nations Security Council. The Tenet letter declassified CIA reporting on weapons of mass destruction and Iraq's links to al Qaeda. Two sentences on WMD garnered most media attention, but the intelligence chief's comments on al Qaeda deserved notice. "We have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and al Qa'ida going back a decade," Tenet wrote. "Credible information indicates that Iraq and al Qa'ida have discussed safe haven and reciprocal non-aggression. Since Operation Enduring Freedom [in Afghanistan], we have solid evidence of the presence in Iraq of al Qa'ida members, including some that have been in Baghdad. We have credible reporting that al Qa'ida leaders sought contacts in Iraq who could help them acquire WMD capabilities. The reporting also stated that Iraq has provided training to al Qa'ida members in the areas of poisons and gases and making conventional bombs." In sum, the letter said, "Iraq's increasing support to extremist Palestinians, coupled with growing indications of a relationship with al Qa'ida, suggest that Baghdad's links to terrorists will increase, even absent US military actions." That this assessment came from the CIA--with its history of institutional skepticism about the links--was significant. CIA analysts had long contended that Saddam Hussein's secular regime would not collaborate with Islamic fundamentalists like bin Laden--even though the Baathists had exploited Islam for years, whenever it suited their purposes. Critics of the administration insist the CIA was "pressured" by an extensive and aggressive intelligence operation set up by the Pentagon to find ties where none existed. But the Pentagon team consisted of two people, at times assisted by two others. Their assignment was not to collect new intelligence but to evaluate existing intelligence gathered by the CIA, with particular attention to any possible Iraq-al Qaeda collaboration. A CIA counterterrorism team was given a similar task, and while many agency analysts remained skeptical about links, the counterterrorism experts came away convinced that there had been cooperation. For one thing, they cross-referenced old intelligence with new information provided by high-level al Qaeda detainees. Reports of collaboration grew in number and specificity. The case grew stronger. Throughout the summer and fall of 2002, al Qaeda operatives held in Guantanamo corroborated previously sketchy reports of a series of meetings in Khartoum, Sudan, home to al Qaeda during the mid-90s. U.S. officials learned more about the activities of Abu Abdullah al-Iraqi, an al Qaeda WMD specialist sent by bin Laden to seek WMD training, and possibly weapons, from the Iraqi regime. Intelligence specialists also heard increasingly detailed reports about meetings in Baghdad between al Qaeda leaders and Uday Hussein in April 1998, at a birthday celebration for Saddam. In December 2002, as the Bush administration prepared its public case for war with Iraq, White House officials sifted through reams of these intelligence reports on ties between Saddam Hussein's regime and al Qaeda. Some of the reporting was solid, some circumstantial. The White House identified those elements of the reports it wanted to use publicly and asked the CIA to declassify them. The Agency agreed to declassify some 75 percent of the requested intelligence. According to administration sources, Colin Powell, in his presentation before the U.N. Security Council, used only 10 or 15 percent of the newly declassified material. He relied heavily on the intelligence in Tenet's letter. Press reports about preparations for the Powell presentation have suggested that Powell refused to use the abundance of CIA documents because he found them thin and unpersuasive. This is only half right. Powell was certainly the most skeptical senior administration official about Iraq-al Qaeda ties. But several administration officials involved in preparing his U.N. presentation say that his reluctance to focus on those links had more to do with the forum for his speech--the Security Council--than with concerns about the reliability of the information. Powell's presentation sought to do two things: make a compelling case to the world, and to the American public, about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein; and more immediately, win approval for a second U.N. resolution explicitly authorizing the use of force. The second of these objectives, these officials say, required Powell to focus the presentation on Hussein's repeated violations of Security Council resolutions. (Even in the brief portion of Powell's talk focused on Iraq-al Qaeda links, he internationalized the case, pointing out that the bin Laden network had targeted "France, Britain, Spain, Italy, Germany, and Russia.") Others in the administration, including Vice President Dick Cheney, favored using more of the declassified information about Hussein's support of international terrorism and al Qaeda. Powell spent just 10 minutes of a 90-minute presentation on the "sinister nexus between Iraq and the al Qaeda terrorist network." He mentioned intelligence showing that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a known al Qaeda associate injured in Afghanistan, had traveled to Baghdad for medical treatment. Powell linked Zarqawi to Ansar al-Islam, an al Qaeda cell operating in a Kurdish region "outside Saddam Hussein's controlled Iraq." Powell told the Security Council that the United States had approached an unnamed "friendly security service"--Jordan's--"to approach Baghdad about extraditing Zarqawi," providing information and details "that should have made it easy to find Zarqawi." Iraq did nothing. Finally, Powell asserted that al Qaeda leaders and senior Iraqi officials had "met at least eight times" since the early 1990s. These claims, the critics maintain, were "hyped" and "exaggerated." WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION DIDN'T USE IF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION had been out to hype the threat from an al Qaeda-Saddam link, it stands to reason that it would have used every shred of incriminating evidence at its disposal. Instead, the administration was restrained in its use of available intelligence. What the Bush administration left out is in some ways as revealing as what it included. * Iraqi defectors had been saying for years that Saddam's regime trained "non-Iraqi Arab terrorists" at a camp in Salman Pak, south of Baghdad. U.N. inspectors had confirmed the camp's existence, including the presence of a Boeing 707. Defectors say the plane was used to train hijackers; the Iraqi regime said it was used in counterterrorism training. Sabah Khodada, a captain in the Iraqi Army, worked at Salman Pak. In October 2001, he told PBS's "Frontline" about what went on there. "Training is majorly on terrorism. They would be trained on assassinations, kidnapping, hijacking of airplanes, hijacking of buses, public buses, hijacking of trains and all other kinds of operations related to terrorism. . . . All this training is directly toward attacking American targets, and American interests." But the Bush administration said little about Salman Pak as it demonstrated links between Iraq and al Qaeda. According to administration sources, some detainees who provided credible evidence of other links between Iraq and al Qaeda, including training in terrorism and WMD, insist they have no knowledge of Salman Pak. Khodada, the Iraqi army captain, also professed ignorance of whether the trainees were members of al Qaeda. "Nobody came and told us, 'This is al Qaeda people,'" he explained, "but I know there were some Saudis, there were some Afghanis. There were some other people from other countries getting trained." * On February 13, 2003, the government of the Philippines asked Hisham al Hussein, the second secretary of the Iraqi embassy in Manila, to leave the country. According to telephone records obtained by Philippine intelligence, Hussein had been in frequent contact with two leaders of Abu Sayyaf, an al Qaeda affiliate in South Asia, immediately before and immediately after they detonated a bomb in Zamboanga City. That attack killed two Filipinos and an American Special Forces soldier and injured several others. Hussein left the Philippines for Iraq after he was "PNG'd"--declared persona non grata--by the Philippine government and has not been heard from since. According to a report in the Christian Science Monitor, an Abu Sayyaf leader who planned the attack bragged on television a month after the bombing that Iraq had contacted him about conducting joint operations. Philippine intelligence officials were initially skeptical of his boasting, but after finding the telephone records they believed him. * No fewer than five high-ranking Czech officials have publicly confirmed that Mohammed Atta, the lead September 11 hijacker, met with Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim al-Ani, an Iraqi intelligence officer working at the Iraqi embassy, in Prague five months before the hijacking. Media leaks here and in the Czech Republic have called into question whether Atta was in Prague on the key dates--between April 4 and April 11, 2001. And several high-ranking administration officials are "agnostic" as to whether the meeting took place. Still, the public position of the Czech government to this day is that it did. That assertion should be seen in the context of Atta's curious stop-off in Prague the previous spring, as he traveled to the United States. Atta flew to Prague from Germany on May 30, 2000, but did not have a valid visa and was denied entry. He returned to Germany, obtained the proper paperwork, and took a bus back to Prague. One day later, he left for the United States. Despite the Czech government's confirmation of the Atta-al Ani meeting, the Bush administration dropped it as evidence of an al Qaeda-Iraq connection in September 2002. Far from hyping this episode, administration officials refrained from citing it as the debate over the Iraq war heated up in Congress, in the country, and at the U.N. WHAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS LEARNED SINCE THE WAR THE ADMINISTRATION'S CRITICS, including several of the Democratic presidential candidates, have alluded to new "evidence" they say confirms Iraq and al Qaeda had no relationship before the war. They have not shared that evidence. Even as the critics withhold the basis for their allegations, evidence on the other side is piling up. Ansar al-Islam--the al Qaeda cell formed in June 2001 that operated out of northern Iraq before the war, notably attacking Kurdish enemies of Saddam--has stepped up its activities elsewhere in the country. In some cases, say national security officials, Ansar is joining with remnants of Saddam's regime to attack Americans and nongovernmental organizations working in Iraq. There is some reporting, unconfirmed at this point, that the recent bombing of the U.N. headquarters was the result of a joint operation between Baathists and Ansar al-Islam. And there are reports of more direct links between the Iraqi regime and bin Laden. Farouk Hijazi, former Iraqi ambassador to Turkey and Saddam's longtime outreach agent to Islamic fundamentalists, has been captured. In his initial interrogations, Hijazi admitted meeting with senior al Qaeda leaders at Saddam's behest in 1994. According to administration officials familiar with his questioning, he has subsequently admitted additional contacts, including a meeting in late 1997. Hijazi continues to deny that he met with bin Laden on December 21, 1998, to offer the al Qaeda leader safe haven in Iraq. U.S. officials don't believe his denial. For one thing, the meeting was reported in the press at the time. It also fits a pattern of contacts surrounding Operation Desert Fox, the series of missile strikes the Clinton administration launched at Iraq beginning December 16, 1998. The bombing ended 70 hours later, on December 19, 1998. Administration officials now believe Hijazi left for Afghanistan as the bombing ended and met with bin Laden two days later. Earlier that year, at another point of increased tension between the United States and Iraq, Hussein sought to step up contacts with al Qaeda. On February 18, 1998, after the Iraqis repeatedly refused to permit U.N. weapons inspectors into sensitive sites, President Bill Clinton went to the Pentagon and delivered a hawkish speech about Hussein's weapons of mass destruction and his links to "an unholy axis of terrorists, drug traffickers, and organized international criminals." Said Clinton: "We have to defend our future from these predators of the 21st century. . . . They will be all the more lethal if we allow them to build arsenals of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. We simply cannot allow that to happen. There is no more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein." The following day, February 19, 1998, according to documents unearthed in Baghdad after the recent war by journalists Mitch Potter and Inigo Gilmore, Hussein's intelligence service wrote a memo detailing upcoming meetings with a bin Laden representative traveling to Baghdad. Each reference to bin Laden had been covered with Liquid Paper. The memo laid out a plan to step up contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda. The Mukhabarat, one of Saddam's security forces, agreed to pay for "all the travel and hotel costs inside Iraq to gain the knowledge of the message from bin Laden and to convey to his envoy an oral message from us to bin Laden." The document set as the goal for the meeting a discussion of "the future of our relationship with him, bin Laden, and to achieve a direct meeting with him." The al Qaeda representative, the document went on to suggest, might be "a way to maintain contacts with bin Laden." I emailed Potter, a Jerusalem-based correspondent for the Toronto Star, about his findings last month. He was circumspect about the meaning of the document. "So did we find the tip of the iceberg, or the whole iceberg? Did bin Laden and Saddam agree to disagree and that was the end of it? I still don't know." Still, he wrote, "I have no doubt that what we found is the real thing. We plucked it out of a building that had been J-DAMed and was three-quarters gone. Beyond the pale to think that the CIA or someone else planted false evidence in such a dangerous location, where only lunatics would bother to tread. And then to cover over the incriminating name Osama bin Laden with Liquid Paper, so that only the most stubborn and dogged of translators would fluke into spotting it?" Four days after that memo was written, on February 23, 1998, bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, issued a famous fatwa about the plight of Iraq. Published that day in al Quds al-Arabi, it reads in part: First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples. . . . The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, still they are helpless. Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, in excess of 1 million . . . despite all this, the Americans are once again trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation. The Americans, bin Laden says, are working on behalf of Israel. The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula. Bin Laden urges his followers to act. "The ruling to kill all Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it." It was around this time, U.S. officials say, that Hussein paid the $300,000 to bin Laden's deputy, Zawahiri. ACCORDING TO U.S. officials, soldiers in Iraq have discovered additional documentary evidence like the memo Potter found. This despite the fact that there is no team on the ground assigned to track down these contacts--no equivalent to the Iraq Survey Group looking for evidence of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction. Interviews with detained senior Iraqi intelligence officials are rounding out the picture. The Bush administration has thus far chosen to keep the results of its postwar findings to itself; much of the information presented here comes from public sources. The administration, spooked by the media feeding frenzy surrounding yellowcake from Niger, is exercising extreme caution in rolling out the growing evidence of collaboration between al Qaeda and Baathist Iraq. As the critics continue their assault on a prewar "pattern of deception," the administration remains silent. This impulse is understandable. It is also dangerous. Some administration officials argue privately that the case for linkage is so devastating that when they eventually unveil it, the critics will be embarrassed and their arguments will collapse. But to rely on this assumption is to run a terrible risk. Already, the absence of linkage is the conventional wisdom in many quarters. Once "everybody knows" that Saddam and bin Laden had nothing to do with each other, it becomes extremely difficult for any release of information by the U.S. government to change people's minds.
  3. ONCE AGAIN THE PROPAGANDA MACHINE WORKING How? Please elaborate. IRAQ SHOULD NOT BE CONFUSED WITH AFGHANISTAN!! Confused? How so? Both harbor terrorist and we are @ war against terror,,,Right???Please explain that "talking point". The US supported Bin Laden and the Musuhadin (how do you spell it? Holy Warriors) fighting against the Russians in Afghanistan DING, DING, DING......and?????????/ Russia was the Enemy, NOT UBL. Your point is??????? US Supported Saddam against Iran DING, DING, DING......and?????????/ Russia was the Enemy, NOT UBL. Your point is??????? DO YOU SEE WHAT THEY ARE DOING PEOPLE!! Yeah, fighting terrorist,,Why???How do you see it???? Please explain.
  4. My bad, I corrected it. I am sure you knew what I was getting at. Iran was the bigger enemy back then,,,and remains an enemy. (part of the axis of evil,,,iran, iraq and n. korea)
  5. Different times call for different measures. We gave him those weapons to fight off Iran. In those days Iran was the enemy (still are). He bit the hand that fed him and now he has felt the wrath of the the US Military. E Ya You need to read up more!!!!!! The war is not over yet buddy. We are still on the hunt and finding out more and more as the days go by. Tuesday, April 27, 2004 4:40 p.m. EDT Jordan WMD Plotter Confesses to Iraqi Involvement At least one of the al-Qaida plotters arrested in Jordan earlier this month as part of a weapons of mass destruction plot that Jordanian officials say could have killed 80,000 people revealed on Monday that he was trained in Iraq before the U.S. invaded in March 2003. In a confession broadcast on Jordanian television, the unnamed WMD conspirator revealed: "In Iraq, I started training in explosives and poisons. I gave my complete obedience to [Abu Musab al] Zarqawi," the al-Qaida WMD specialist whose base of operations was in Iraq. Excerpts from the WMD conspirator's confession broadcast by ABC's "Nightline" late Monday show that the WMD plot was planned and trained for in Iraq more than a year before the U.S. invasion, with the terror suspect admitting, "After the fall of Afghanistan, I met Zarqawi again in Iraq." U.S. forces vanquished the Taliban government in Kabul in December 2001 - 15 months before the U.S. invasion of Iraq. "Some of the details appear to be fairly significant in terms of the planning," reported "Nightline's" Chris Bury: "$170,000, a lot of meetings, getting instructions from people in Iraq, people inside Syria." "This doesn't appear to be a mom-and-pop operation," he added. Al-Zarqawi, who also ran a camp for Jordanian recruits in Afghanistan, has been linked to a series of terrorist plots, including the attack in Madrid last month, the bombing of the U.N. compound in Baghdad last summer, and the 2002 killing of an American diplomat in Jordan. On Monday al-Zarqawi took credit for the attacks on Iraq's oil terminals in Basra over the weekend, "Nightline" said. The attack, though interrupted before it could do maximum damage, killed three U.S. soldiers. The Jordan chem-bomb plot was to be executed in three stages, according to a video re-enactment released by Jordanian officials. The first stage was to involve a car carrying several al-Qaida operatives, who would approach the gates of the Jordanian security service in Amman and gun down the facility's armed guards. The car would be quickly followed by a specially equipped track laden with conventional explosives that would break through the security service gate and crash into the main building. In the third stage, the plot called for three tanker trucks to follow the breakthrough vehicle, loaded with a combined total of 20 tons of chemical weapons laced with conventional explosives. One truck was to crash into the security headquarters, another the U.S. Embassy nearby. A third was to hit a building within a few hundred yards of the other two targets, the Jordanian video showed. The ensuing cloud of poison gas could have killed 80,000 people, Jordanian officials said, an estimate that was revised upward from an anticipated death toll of 20,000 last week. In film footage broadcast by "Nightline," Jordanian television showed hundreds of plastic containers that had been removed from the trucks that Jordanian officials said were filled with chemical weapons. Jordan's King Abdullah said last week that the five trucks originated from Syria and were intercepted just 75 miles from the Syrian border. Syria has long been suspected as a repository of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. But yet this means nothing to some. Can you say: Horse Blinders????? I can't beleive I am actually going to say this but...... Well said Nick!!!!
  6. I'm not looking for a girlfriend. ........Just a masseuse.
  7. If they can call that bastard to play a prank then maybe they can also call to inform him that they will be airing it. Don't know the details about the FCC Rules and Regulations but I do know they have been around and unchanged for a while.
  8. I want a massage from Tonie, Felicia, Issel, Valerie and TranceMonkey.
  9. LOL So I take it that the law that they broke was "broadcasting a telephone conversation without notifying the other party"?
  10. Very Talented. Have a couple of releases by Mojo and am always look out for his new ones. NICE!!!!!
  11. Not a great pic but I am sure you can use your imagination.
  12. 1) Do we know the difference between a guerilla and a terrorist? guerilla- a person who engages in irregular warfare especially as a member of an independent unit carrying out harassment and sabotage terrorist- the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion 2) What is more fanatic and deep inside their own roots ... fanatism for political/ideological thought or religious thought? Religious. The cause of the most deaths in history is due to religion. Muslims, Christians and Jews all originated from that tiny piece of land known as Israel. It's no wonder that region has remained so violent. 3) Does military force defeat terrorists? Sure, If applied correctly. Truth is, the war on terror is NEW TERRITORY. We know appeasing and ignoring does not work. It only emboldens them to commit more terror. 4) Are there more anti-US terrorists now than before 3/20/03? ... Can we say we are safer? No, more light has been cast upon terrorist, but to assume there are more now than before is incorrect. NOTE: I question the logic of this question. It's the same as saying "If you wouldn't have walked down that street, you would have never been mugged." To imply if we wouldn't have fought back against terrorism, they might like us more is absurd and naive at best. 5) Does the Dept. of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act make us safer? ... had we had this in place prior to 911, could the damage been minimized? ABSOLUTELY! NO DOUBT! Box cutters would have never been allowed on board the plane. Our CIA & FBI would not be working as close as they are, etc..etc..etc.....The answer is YES! YES! YES! 6) Why does Al-Qaeda/Bin Laden hate the US? Who cares? If I had to guess, it's the westernization of the world. They hate what we stand for. They hate the success we have become. These people come from poor, 3rd world countries. Many of which should not be poor given the massive reservoirs of petroleum that they sit on top of. The hatred of America is convenient to the leaders of these oppressed countries because it deflects attention away from their oppressive regimes. 7) Does the French experience of the 1960's and Algerian terrorism teach us something? Don't know enough about it. Have to get back to you on this one. 8) Does the Israeli-Palestinian conflict teach us anything we can use in our own anti-terrorism war? YES, appeasing and compromising w/ terrorism ONLY leads to more terrorism. One side has to lose and lose decisively before any REAL progress can be made. Israel could have defeated the PLO long ago, but has not because America keeps their hands tied. 9) Does the Camerouge and Cambodia teach us something? I'm sure there is some knowledge to be gained from it. 10) Did the Shining Path experience and Peru teach us something? I'm sure there is some knowledge to be gained from it. 11) Does ETA and Spain teach us something? I'm sure there is some knowledge to be gained from it. 12) Does the IRA and the Republic of Ireland teach us something? I'm sure there is some knowledge to be gained from it. 13) Do you defeat terrorism with an army or with intelligence and local support? ALL OF THE ABOVE. You never rule out military force as an option. NEVER! 14) In the best case scenario ... when will we win the war on terrorism? Best case scenario? Tomorrow! If terrorist and Muslim nations come to accept the fact that terrorist will only prolong their suffering. America either fights them now or fights them later, but make no mistake,,,,WE'VE GOT TO FIGHT. They're not interested in striking deals w/ us. They want us dead.
  13. obby

    Spanish Joke

    Didn't take it personal bro. No worries. Your dating a latin so I am sure her Spanish will rub off on you soon. I am convinced one of the best ways to learn a language is to date someone who to them it is their first language (reading helps too of course).
  14. obby

    Spanish Joke

    Great attitude!!!!!
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    Spanish Joke

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  16. Wait Wait Wait Wait Wait I sipped no chicken vodka. The "ice" felt kind of funny to me so I decided to look at my drink. Thank God I did. Mr. Purdu himself was waving at me from my cup. At that moment I decided to look around and see if others made the same mistake I did and they did. Some a little to late. (you know who you are. I know your still mad at me for laughing at you). and as for you not being able to complete a full sentence....YOUR LUCK I SPEAK BURN OUT.
  17. obby

    Spanish Joke

    BALSEROS DE PUERTO RICO Dos portorros llevaban ya un buen rato en Miami pasando necesidades, sin trabajo ni dinero. Y uno le dice al otro: "Ay Bendito, vamo a tiralno al agua y decil que somo balseros, que a esos cubano el gobielno se lo da too." Y el otro acepta la idea y van y se tiran al agua con ropa y todo y empiezana gritar como condenados que habian llegado a tierra de libertad. Cuando viene una patrulla a "rescatarlos" lo primero que le dice el guardia es: "¿Ustedes son portorriqueños, verdad?" "No!, no, nene, nosotro somos cubanos!! De veldá!" "No, ustedes SON portorriqueños!" Y asi, para atrás y para alante, hasta que al final los "balseros" se rinden y le preguntan al guardia: "Oiga, ¿y como usté se dió cuenta??" "¡¡¡Porque este es el lago Okeechobee!!!"
  18. Little do they know they awoke a sleeping giant.
  19. Ain't No Thing But A Chicken Wing!!!!! LOL More protein that a power bar!!!!!! Is that why everything taste like chicken????
  20. Perfect!!! Comes with a fork too. Thats great for the little pieces that sink to the bottom of the cup.
  21. Tonie it was NASTY. Imagine drinking for a while then noticing a half de-thawed drum stick in your vodka and cranberry. Salmonella anyone? I think I saved like 5 people from taking their first sips of their vodka chicken. The rest found out after sipping a piece of skin and having to put up with me laughing at them. One even got bitter at me for laughing. FYI I am still laughing!!!!!!!!
  22. Highlights: 1- 20 Minute Set 2- Chicken On The Rocks ( I have pics....very nasty. I won't mention any names.) 3- Cianci's 1001 Faces 4- Finding $20.00 On The Floor (Thanks For Breakfast/Lunch) 5- Hearing Prestons New Track 6- Saying NO! To Everything That Was Offered To Me (God I was tired). 7- Gigi, waking me up on the couch right at the same moment that I was about to go into deep sleep. LOL. I needed a power nap big time but was woken up ten minutes into it. 8- Breathing Gas For Like 15 Minutes Without Even Realizing That I was Sitting Right Next To It. Thank God I didn't spark it up in that area. 9- Hearing Digital7 spin. Damn bro, Nice Sounds!!!!!!!. Didn't know you had it in you. VERY NICE. 10- Not Realizing That Carla Was Sitting Next to Me The Whole Time Until She asked Me for A Light. LOL. Sorry Carla. I was so tired at that time. I was <----> this close to passing out on your shoulders without even asking you. 11- Hearing Digital7 tell me how fucked up he was.....every 5 minutes. BRO, I COULD NOT TELL. (I do the same when I am housed). 12- Pringles and Ice Tea - The Breakfast For Champs!!!! 13- and last but not least....Cianci's 1001 Faces ....YES AGAIN!!!!!
  23. I......like.. big butts and I can not lie............ Someone threw down a track that I swaer had the same beat to this song. LOL
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