trancetastic17 Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 Since so many of you on this board seem to lean towards voting for John Kerry and since he votes more liberal than Ted kennedy, i would like to know why you would vote for a known socialist.Espcecially when this Great Country had become the strongtest and most prosperous in the world based on the principles of capitalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmatas2277 Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 :jawdrop: //runs and hides to avoid the fall out// Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djcarlosf Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 i see this thread being no less than 6 pages...kerry > bush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fliptoniaaa Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 we all know kerry is a twat, but bush is an even bigger twat!!!!!!!!!!! can u please provide examples, so that the debate may continue!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mursa Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 Both are idiots ........but I choose the less of two evils . Kerry . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fliptoniaaa Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 am i the only person who sees that comunisn, and solialism is not a bad idea......the problem is that people who dont believe in it r the ones always pulling it off!!!!!!!!!!!!yes it is one of those ideas that works better on paper than in practice, but as i stated the right people have not been the ones to lead the charge!!!!!!!!!!the people who do take charge ironically r all greedy power hungry idiots!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 it's sad when we have to decide in that fashion. Both of them are trained apes at best. Most politicians are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trancetastic17 Posted April 29 Author Report Share Posted April 29 Originally posted by djcarlosf i see this thread being no less than 6 pages...kerry > bush This is not a kerry vs bush topic(please read my post again). i just want to know why you would choose a socialist over a capitalist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trancetastic17 Posted April 29 Author Report Share Posted April 29 Originally posted by pod it's sad when we have to decide in that fashion. Both of them are trained apes at best. Most politicians are. read the question again. i just was wondering if people even know what a socalist is and why they are voting for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trancetastic17 Posted April 29 Author Report Share Posted April 29 Originally posted by fliptoniaaa am i the only person who sees that comunisn, and solialism is not a bad idea......the problem is that people who dont believe in it r the ones always pulling it off!!!!!!!!!!!!yes it is one of those ideas that works better on paper than in practice, but as i stated the right people have not been the ones to lead the charge!!!!!!!!!!the people who do take charge ironically r all greedy power hungry idiots!!!!!!!!! r u insane! have you taken a look at all the other countries around you that are communist or socialist. They give 35%-80% of every dollar they make to support social programs that dont work. know matter how hard you work u make shit cause the government(liberal elitist like kerry)take it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fliptoniaaa Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 Originally posted by trancetastic17 r u insane! have you taken a look at all the other countries around you that are communist or socialist. They give 35%-80% of every dollar they make to support social programs that dont work. know matter how hard you work u make shit cause the government(liberal elitist like kerry)take it all. exactly my point the wrong people r the ones that try to be socialist......they should not be up on high living good while the people r all the same......i dont think thats the way it should be done, but that the way its being done!!!!!!!!!!! like i said b4 on paper it sounds pretty good....every1 just chillin and being equal, but in reality it has never worked!!!!!!!!!!!! the people who have tried it r greedy evil people!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolahotass Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 Originally posted by trancetastic17 Since so many of you on this board seem to lean towards voting for John Kerry and since he votes more liberal than Ted kennedy, i would like to know why you would vote for a known socialist.Espcecially when this Great Country had become the strongtest and most prosperous in the world based on the principles of capitalism. We have a CURRENT EVENTS forum for this. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmatas2277 Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 Originally posted by fliptoniaaa exactly my point the wrong people r the ones that try to be socialist......they should not be up on high living good while the people r all the same......i dont think thats the way it should be done, but that the way its being done!!!!!!!!!!! like i said b4 on paper it sounds pretty good....every1 just chillin and being equal, but in reality it has never worked!!!!!!!!!!!! the people who have tried it r greedy evil people!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe Communism doesnt work... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shroomy Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 Originally posted by trancetastic17 read the question again. i just was wondering if people even know what a socalist is and why they are voting for one. I wonder if you know what one is or if you just found it in the word of the day calendar.Kerrry isnt a socialist, he just wants to penalize anyone who is successful (since he allready made.. oops I mean married his money it wont affect him) by taking their money and giving it as a handout. that just makes him a typical pandering democrate. but hey... bush just wants to take our kids money and give it to everyone... hmmmm.... lifes a bitch, and then you have to vote for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolahotass Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 Originally posted by shroomy I wonder if you know what one is or if you just found it in the word of the day calendar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voluptuary Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 I'm not a supporter of either Bush or Kerry...GOP or DemsBut John Kerry is not a socialist. Some politicians may promote a progressive taxation system, but in no way does that equate to socialism. I sense this might somehow be the idea behind your comment.Please apprise us first of your notion of socialism, and I will do my best to disabuse you of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trancetastic17 Posted April 29 Author Report Share Posted April 29 quote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Originally posted by shroomy I wonder if you know what one is or if you just found it in the word of the day calendar.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------i know what it is moron. "progressive taxation system" come on man. he dosent want to penalize the wealthy. how can you penalize someone who is already rich that makes no sense.he want to keep future genertations from accumlation wealth by taxing the crap out of us. Of course he wont be able to do it in such a short term as president, but if you keep voting for these types of politicans, they will erode our capitalist system piece by piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fliptoniaaa Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 i dont know if u know trhis but ur great grandchildren are gonna be paying for this war were having now.....so mark my words.....no matter who wins the election taxes r going up!!!!!!!!!!!!!! remember this...write it down, take a picture i dont give a ffuuuuuccckk!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voluptuary Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 OK, so it becomes a bit clearer that you believe it has something to do with taxation. Your notion goes something like "a socialist system is when the central government takes like 80% of your income and uses it for vast social programs." Is that your understanding of what socialism is?If so, you happen to be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fliptoniaaa Posted April 29 Report Share Posted April 29 swden is doing pretty good, and they r a very progressive nation, and they have some semblance of socialism mixed with capitalism!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trancetastic17 Posted April 30 Author Report Share Posted April 30 Originally posted by voluptuary OK, so it becomes a bit clearer that you believe it has something to do with taxation. Your notion goes something like "a socialist system is when the central government takes like 80% of your income and uses it for vast social programs." Is that your understanding of what socialism is?If so, you happen to be wrong. Explain to me why im wrong. i bet it will be very interesting.And then unexplain places like canda and switzerland for me. is that vast taxation or am i wrong there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fliptoniaaa Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 Originally posted by trancetastic17 Explain to me why im wrong. i bet it will be very interesting.And then unexplain places like canda and switzerland for me. is that vast taxation or am i wrong there too. yeas, but in those countries everything is provided to the citizens.....things like u know free health care, and tings like that!!!!!!!!!!!!! which is why most smart people in america get there priscription from canada!!!!!!!!!!those 2 countries u mentioned r hands down more progressive and ahead in thinking than the good old u.s. of a!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trancetastic17 Posted April 30 Author Report Share Posted April 30 Originally posted by fliptoniaaa swden is doing pretty good, and they r a very progressive nation, and they have some semblance of socialism mixed with capitalism!!!!!!!!!!!! bad example my friend. 80-85 percent of your money goes to the governement. what do you get in return healthcare which is even 5% as good as even the worst hospital in the USA. u have to wait 5-6 months for any surgical procedure if u can even get it. your education is free but when you graduate your make shit money cause it all goes to taxes.but i guess if you have no ambition or r just plan lazy these are the systems for you.and before you mention canada i have several friends who live there. if you make under 60000 you get taxed 35% of every dollar you make. over 60000 and its 50% of every dollar.5-6 months to see a specialist. sometimes you have to drive 200+ miles to see a doctor. and most of the good Dr move to the usa.th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxgrooveericxx Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 Kerry Bush :no:Bush has more 's than Kerry, so I pick Kerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voluptuary Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 Explain to me why im wrong. i bet it will be very interesting. I'll keep it simple Probably the most distinctive trait of Socialism is state ownership and control of the fundamental means of production. If you don't espouse this doctrine, you are not a socialist.John Kerry does not adhere to this doctrineTherefore, John Kerry is not a socialistYep, it's really that simpleNow, what I think you want to say about Kerry is that he advocates excessive taxation and massive social programs that they fund -- much like what they have in place in many European nations.I know this to be inaccurate regarding Kerry......but notwithstanding your waywardness, the word "socialism" doesn't apply.......try "etatist," "tax-and-spend liberal," "big government leftist", but not socialist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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