LALate.com - Review of Las Vegas Venues

[lalate]

He only went to a handful of clubs, Light, Risque and OPM. Most of which I don't go. Tangerine, Body English, Ice and others weren't on that list.

Correct. The review was of the VENUES ATTENDED on THAT particular night. NOT a review of the venue AS A WHOLE or of the CITY as a whole.

[Dale Davis]

You guys are funny. You clearly act like you are better than others by insulting their looks. Calling them hideous, riff raff, or downright scary. Since when are you the people police. This is why clubs like that succeed. Because most people don't consider themselves too beautiful to party with the rest of us.

[Dale Davis]

I dont know what you are "implying", dude. I will tell you that the person I stayed in vegas with was my ex, and she, sir, is an African American.

Then please explain how you classify a group of people as all "hideous ... all under one roof." We know their crowd is almost all black. So how would you consider an african american crowd hideous. Did you bring a scale and weigh everyone? Or did you create some sort of facial rating system. Please expand on how you, God, rank people as disgusting and hideous in a review of a venue.

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All I know is that I recently got back home from OPM tonight (Friday Dec 4) and it was completely packed with a huge line from 10:45 til past 5. I heard that nearly every other club in the city was dead. The crowd was NOT ugly nor was the vibe bad by any means. Ja Rule partied there. Several boxers went there. There were celebrities in the VIP sections all night. The music was awesome and blended flawlessly. People were happy and had their hands in the air. The service was great. The customers left happy. I heard other clubs were brutally slow. I guess that makes the terrible spot a hot spot. If there is a huge turnout 4 to 5 days a week, apparently other people don't share your same stuck up opinions. Nuff said. Peace out. Hey BillLe, my boyfriend said if you come to the club tomorrow night from midnight to 2am he will gladly set you and friends up at a table with a bottle for you to see if maybe your closed mind can open again. Oh wait you'll never do it.. Your one night a week hot spot is spending another 20k on a dj to get people to go there. While OPM just does what they do 5 nights a week without bringing in international house djs once a week. Too bad the HOT spot cant hold its own with their own inhouse staff.

[danswat79]

I find it hilarious how you people continue to argue on this point and bash BillLe for his opinions and reccomendations. When is the last time someone came on here and posted how much fun they had at OPM b/c one of you reccomended it? B/c there is at least one post a week from people who BillLe set up at clubs and they say they had the best time out here. He does a great job at reccomending clubs on the nights they are hot, and no one on this board but (except you 2) have a negative thing to say about him.

I am in the same shoes as him. I would NEVER reccomend OPM b/c I had a horrible experience there.

1) The bouncers were rude at the door and wouldn't accept comp admission cards from my girlfriend and her 2 friends before midnight

2) I was patted down and a metal detector wand was waived across my body before I went in (although I have heard this has changed since then)

3) Almost got in a fight w/ more than a handful of the patrons in the club b/c apparently it is ok to harass a girl dancing and grab her ass as she walks by. Everyone had a real tough guy attitude like it was OK or acceptable to do this

***** # 3 was the biggest turn off about this place b/c it happened several times - who the hell wants to put up w/ that

Maybe when your around that environment all the time and know some of the people in the club this does not happen or maybe you guys are just used to that but these are 3 solid reason I would never go back.

[lalate]

In LA, venues change from week to week, day to day, based upon change of formats, promoters, upswings and downswings in the clubgoing season, and similar factors.

When LALate made this original post in AUGUST of this year, that post, as stated, was about that night at that venue.

While it's clear to most anyone reading this August-originating thread today, now in December, we wish to reiterate the obvious - our review was made in August about a particular night at the venue, said it was such, and should not be miscontrued now today to be a a) general review of the venue as a whole since that time or ( a review of the venue now in December (after someone reactivated this nearly six month old archived thread).

[Dale Davis]

I find it hilarious how you people continue to argue on this point and bash BillLe for his opinions and reccomendations. When is the last time someone came on here and posted how much fun they had at OPM b/c one of you reccomended it? B/c there is at least one post a week from people who BillLe set up at clubs and they say they had the best time out here. He does a great job at reccomending clubs on the nights they are hot, and no one on this board but (except you 2) have a negative thing to say about him.

I am in the same shoes as him. I would NEVER reccomend OPM b/c I had a horrible experience there.

1) The bouncers were rude at the door and wouldn't accept comp admission cards from my girlfriend and her 2 friends before midnight

2) I was patted down and a metal detector wand was waived across my body before I went in (although I have heard this has changed since then)

3) Almost got in a fight w/ more than a handful of the patrons in the club b/c apparently it is ok to harass a girl dancing and grab her ass as she walks by. Everyone had a real tough guy attitude like it was OK or acceptable to do this

***** # 3 was the biggest turn off about this place b/c it happened several times - who the hell wants to put up w/ that

Maybe when your around that environment all the time and know some of the people in the club this does not happen or maybe you guys are just used to that but these are 3 solid reason I would never go back.

You guys are so obvious. Of course people have a great time when someone gets paid to show them VIP service. I know your friend denies getting compensated for his selfless time consuming acts but even the show "the club" includes references to independent hosts that get paid to bring people to their club. Do you think Body English just lets people in and give them seats just because BillHe brings them? No, they have an arrangement with BillHe like every club that works with promoters. They pay him to recruit people from message boards and bring them to their club just like a taxi driver gets paid to drop people off at Rhinos or Ice. Yet they all deny it. BillHe even admit he MAKES A LIVING recruiting people to casinos. However this is a club board so he denies that his arrangement with select nightclubs is the same as his independent host arrangements with Casinos. Now OPM is not like these other clubs. They don't need to pay promoters pretending they are simply good saints just looking to hook strangers up from message boards because their urban clientelle is loyal. So all of a sudden they get slammed. Yet they probably service more customers per week than all these other hot spots that pay BillHe to recommend them. Hmmmm.

The funny part for me is reading your attempt to defend your friend by using some of his alleged experiences and incorporating that into your own review. You are getting your stories confused now. Why the heck would a bouncer from *any* club refuse to accept a pass from ladies unless it was a special event in which no passes were accepted or unless your party was obnoxious, which is more likely what happened. There's always two sides to every story. And patted down metal detectors are used at other clubs that protect their customers. But the best part is your fights with other customers. First you fight the bouncers, then you fight the security and then you fight the patrons - you seem so peaceful. Interestingly BillHe used the exact same argument and applied it to several urban nightclubs. I have never once seen tough guy ass-feeling customers at OPM and I have been there several times. So keep slamming away.

Dale Davis

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I dont know why I even waste my time here with the few people that are paid to recommend certain clubs, but nevertheless I'm sure there are regular folks that read this message board that want to know what's REALLY up.

I just got back from OPM. It's 5:30am. Saturday night / Sunday AM. The place was so packed that they had to actually close the door for a while. The line was TWO TO THREE hours long NO EXAGGERATION from 11:30 to about 2. Inside was nuts. The vibe was exciting. Everyone had a great time. Several people told us they came from other spots that were very slow. It was slow in town since it's December but OPM apparently had a record Saturday night for December.

If you like hip hop, reggae and R&B, don't listen to these clowns that have an incentive to recommend spots that cater to only house heads or pay promoters to come up here and recommend them. Check out spots like OPM Saturday, Ra Thursday, Foundation room Monday and others. Feel free to PM me for the non-incentivized recommendations.

[lalate]

I dont know why I even waste my time here with the few people that are paid to recommend certain clubs

<< not paid to recommend clubs.

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<< not paid to recommend clubs.

And then below that...

LALate.com ... a purely net based company, with a database encompassing predominately females 21 to 25.

and

The LALate.com businesses have one of the fastest growing following of clubgoers in the nation.

and

LALATE FRIDAYS @ FORBIDDEN CITY, LALATE SATURDAYS @ SUNSET ROOM, SPIDER ROOM, PREY, PEARL, VERTIGOS

Sounds to me like you ARE a business that gets paid to recommend clubs, just maybe not in Las Vegas where you instead pleasure us with one of the snottiest reviews we've ever read in history. You still never did answer the question, how do you SPECIFICALLY QUANTIFY how a predominantly urban crowd can be all "hideous under one roof." You sidestepped the question and said it was a review of one night a while back. But that one night, how did you come to the calculated determination that OPM's primarily black crowd was so universally disgusting that it was hideous across the board? Please do tell and give lots of details.

[BillLe]

You guys are so obvious. Of course people have a great time when someone gets paid to show them VIP service. I know your friend denies getting compensated for his selfless time consuming acts but even the show "the club" includes references to independent hosts that get paid to bring people to their club. Do you think Body English just lets people in and give them seats just because BillHe brings them? No, they have an arrangement with BillHe like every club that works with promoters. They pay him to recruit people from message boards and bring them to their club just like a taxi driver gets paid to drop people off at Rhinos or Ice. Yet they all deny it. BillHe even admit he MAKES A LIVING recruiting people to casinos. However this is a club board so he denies that his arrangement with select nightclubs is the same as his independent host arrangements with Casinos. Now OPM is not like these other clubs. They don't need to pay promoters pretending they are simply good saints just looking to hook strangers up from message boards because their urban clientelle is loyal. So all of a sudden they get slammed. Yet they probably service more customers per week than all these other hot spots that pay BillHe to recommend them. Hmmmm.

The funny part for me is reading your attempt to defend your friend by using some of his alleged experiences and incorporating that into your own review. You are getting your stories confused now. Why the heck would a bouncer from *any* club refuse to accept a pass from ladies unless it was a special event in which no passes were accepted or unless your party was obnoxious, which is more likely what happened. There's always two sides to every story. And patted down metal detectors are used at other clubs that protect their customers. But the best part is your fights with other customers. First you fight the bouncers, then you fight the security and then you fight the patrons - you seem so peaceful. Interestingly BillHe used the exact same argument and applied it to several urban nightclubs. I have never once seen tough guy ass-feeling customers at OPM and I have been there several times. So keep slamming away.

Dale Davis

To Mr. Dale Davis. Ask bebebootay, mikey999 and some of the others that I have set up for bottles. I never charge a dime to set people up with table. Bebebootay didn't even do bottles, and she was comped everywhere she went. It was her friends first time in Vegas and her 21st so yes I did do it out of the kindness of my heart . Don't assume you know me or what I do based on a hlaf baked reality TV show. I work with those guys at Ice and yes every club here in town. In no way do they pay me to "recruit" people into their clubs. I get no rip from bottles or such things. I do not get a direct paycheck from any nightclub. I however have never denied getting a paycheck from a casino. But isn't that in essence what a casino host does? If you live here in Vegas than you should know. If you don't and you don't know the inner workings, get some background knowlede before you say something that is upposed to be slanderous, but all you're doing is stating the obvious. CASINO HOSTS GET PAID TO RECRUIT PLAYERS AND HAVE THEM PLAY AT THEIR PROPERTY. That's basic knowledge genius.

One other thing, you think OPM doesn't use outside help? I also have full access to OPM. I can put people on that VIP just as easily as any other night club. I just choose not too. I have sent too many people there to have them come back to me and tell me how that place sucked ass. That reflects on me.

"Of course people have a great time when someone gets paid to show them VIP service."

You get what you pay for, and you pay for what you get. I am a damn good host because I know where my guests want to go, and where they should go, based on the demographic they represent. You think this is the only board where folks say good things about me? It is just on this board where there are a few trolls that feel the need to knock me based on my recommendations. People that have worked with me have had an awesome time. People that take care of me, get taken care of. Isn't that what it is to be a VIP here in Vegas?? Isn't that what most people want when they come to town and party? Who wants to wait in line? I don't have playboy models and AMEX Black Card sending me their guests because I am some second rate host. I definitely don't send them to a second rate club (be pissed off all you want, that is my opinion and the opinion of many othes) If you know anything about the scene here in Vegas you know that Body English, Tangerine, Light, Tabu are considered among the top tiers of clubs. OPM, Bikinis and the Beach are regarded to as the bottom tier. If you love your club so much then I am happy for you, and that you found a place to have fun. But don't knock myself and others for voicing our opinion on clubs we feel suck. It's the same as when box said Body English sucked because of all the snobby white folk. Talk about "blanket statement"

[lalate]

Sounds to me like you ARE a business that gets paid to recommend clubs

The question has been asked and answered. Answer: No.

SPECIFICALLY QUANTIFY how a predominantly urban crowd

Wrong. It was not a "predominately" ANYTHING that night ..... Let us say that again because you tend to not hear things the first time around. It was not a "predominately" ANYTHING that night.

You sidestepped the question and said it was a review of one night a while back.

The original review made it clear it was a review of that night only.

hideous ... Please do tell and give lots of details.

You really want everyone to know HOW hideous these chicks were?

Na. Let's have some fun. Let's have the clubgoers .... "take their chances" ... and find out for themselves. :rofl:

This thread is concluded.

So enjoy the rest of your wonderful, stunning year and have a truly Happy, Happy Holidays.

[danswat79]

You guys are so obvious. Of course people have a great time when someone gets paid to show them VIP service. I know your friend denies getting compensated for his selfless time consuming acts but even the show "the club" includes references to independent hosts that get paid to bring people to their club. Do you think Body English just lets people in and give them seats just because BillHe brings them? No, they have an arrangement with BillHe like every club that works with promoters. They pay him to recruit people from message boards and bring them to their club just like a taxi driver gets paid to drop people off at Rhinos or Ice. Yet they all deny it. BillHe even admit he MAKES A LIVING recruiting people to casinos. However this is a club board so he denies that his arrangement with select nightclubs is the same as his independent host arrangements with Casinos. Now OPM is not like these other clubs. They don't need to pay promoters pretending they are simply good saints just looking to hook strangers up from message boards because their urban clientelle is loyal. So all of a sudden they get slammed. Yet they probably service more customers per week than all these other hot spots that pay BillHe to recommend them. Hmmmm.

The funny part for me is reading your attempt to defend your friend by using some of his alleged experiences and incorporating that into your own review. You are getting your stories confused now. Why the heck would a bouncer from *any* club refuse to accept a pass from ladies unless it was a special event in which no passes were accepted or unless your party was obnoxious, which is more likely what happened. There's always two sides to every story. And patted down metal detectors are used at other clubs that protect their customers. But the best part is your fights with other customers. First you fight the bouncers, then you fight the security and then you fight the patrons - you seem so peaceful. Interestingly BillHe used the exact same argument and applied it to several urban nightclubs. I have never once seen tough guy ass-feeling customers at OPM and I have been there several times. So keep slamming away.

Dale Davis

First of all, I have never met BillLe in person (but this is something that needs to happen soon bud b/c you seem really cool and we obviously have similar intersts).

Secondly, I'm done being civil to you fuckin idiots. A YOUR CLUB SUCKS!! No one on this board gives a shit about your garbage urban club or the trash the goes through it. You act like its no big deal that females in your club are harrassed by the predominatly "Urban" crowd - this must be ok in your book I take it. Maybe since you are around it all the time its no big deal - I guess it is just comes with the crowd. Or maybe you yourself harass girls on a regular basis when they have no interst in you - this would also make sense on why you shrug this off as no big deal. I guess this is just a commonplace among the crowd you attract. OPM is the first on only "Urban" club I've ever claimed to have gone to and it will definitely be my last

I didn't state anywhere in my post that I got in a fight w/ a bouncer or security - I was just shocked that when you use a fucking metal detector before you enter the club. I guess this is probably a good idea though. I can just see myself leaving your shithole of a club w/ a knife would or even worse b/c I'm arguing w/ the scumbags who sexually harass my girlfriend and her friends. If this happened in a club I usually went to or strongly endorsed, I wouldn't act like it was no big deal. But this just goes to show what kind of person you are and the type of people who frequent your club. I DID GET INTO ARGUMENTS W/ THE ASSHOLES WHO GRABBED MY GIRLFRIENDS ASS AS SHE WALKED BY LIKE IT WAS NO BIG DEAL. Who wouldn't?

Bottom line - keep talking your shit and racking up your posts on here. NO ONE CARES!!! Aside from you 2, no one comes on here for reccomendations on hip-hop, r&B, and regeea. This board is predominatly composed of people who are into house/dance music (whether they are black, white, asian, indian, spanish - whatever) and its the truth. Take a look at the NY/Jersey/Chicago boards if you don't believe me. Stick these non-sense posts in the hip-hop board where they belong b/c you are poluting what used to be a very peaceful and resourceful board for those looking to have a good time on their vacation.

BTW - Good luck w/ OPM. I hope it continues to do well and I sincerely mean it b/c its success keeps all the riff raff and trash out of the nicer clubs I tend to frequent.

I'M DONE - HAVE A NICE DAY

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I need say no more on this topic either. I think you guys just proved my point PERFECTLY. I will refer people to this thread to show the true nature of people who look down at the urban scene in Vegas... and karma has a way of making things right in the long run. Peace out snobs.

[BillLe]

Let me give you a little English lesson.

ur·ban ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ûrbn)

adj.

1. Of, relating to, or located in a city.

2. Characteristic of the city or city life.

We use it to describe a vibe, keeping with it's definition....see fig 2.

Merry Christmas!

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Another attempt to subterfuge ("A deceptive stratagem or device") by BillLe.

None of us use the word urban nightclub to describe a vibe. It means a nightclub that caters to an urban crowd, which means it caters to African Americans.

In your OWN words, well before OUR conversation, from August, BillLe, you described OPM as a pure hip hop urban spot and when somebody responded by asking what you meant by urban, you didn't say it had the vibe of a city, you instead stated "use your imagination wink wink." In other words, AND ANYONE WHO HAS AN IQ OF OVER 10 knew you meant, "thats the spot where the ni***** are at." Later you acted like I just randomly brought in the racial card while anyone with a half a brain knew exactly why you dissed on Club Vibe and OPM.

Oh and an interesting tidbit, in the same thread back in August you also mentioned that your QUOTE "job" UNQUOTE of recruiting people to clubs did have its benefits as well. How quickly you forget that you already admitted that you recruit people to clubs as a job.

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(oops wrong thread)

[BillLe]

Oh and an interesting tidbit, in the same thread back in August you also mentioned that your QUOTE "job" UNQUOTE of recruiting people to clubs did have its benefits as well.How quickly you forget that you already admitted that you recruit people to clubs as a job.

I do work off these boards to offer recommendations and bring people into venues I work with. What I said was that I do not recruit players from the board and that I do not recieve a paycheck or a kick back from the clubs. But hell yea, it definitely has it's benefits. Bringing the numbers to the clubs that I do.

from August, BillLe, you described OPM as a pure hip hop urban spot and when somebody responded by asking what you meant by urban, you didn't say it had the vibe of a city, you instead stated "use your imagination wink wink."

Yes, it was me saying that it was ghetto. I think Rain is ghetto too. What do I tell people when they ask me why, I say it's because it's a drunk frat boy atmosphere. So if you're so pc jump to their defense as well. But I also recall you jokingly went along with it. I think it's funny when someone slanders a different demographic you go along with it, but when it's something that has to do with your demographic you are so quick to say foul.

Let's just agree to disagree.

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Yes, it was me saying that it was ghetto. I think Rain is ghetto too. What do I tell people when they ask me why, I say it's because it's a drunk frat boy atmosphere. So if you're so pc jump to their defense as well. But I also recall you jokingly went along with it. I think it's funny when someone slanders a different demographic you go along with it, but when it's something that has to do with your demographic you are so quick to say foul.

Let's just agree to disagree.

Yes but we never said Rain is ghetto. Ghetto is a term referring to places where the poorest people live in an urban area in which crime and drug use is prevelant.

Rain is not ghetto. We agreed it was a sausage frat party, but it was done so amusingly -- we're just reflecting on the fact that there's a bad guy/girl ratio at Rain. HOWEVER when you refer to an URBAN spot as ghetto.. a club that DOES enforce dress code and charges $20 at the door, the only thing "ghetto" about it is the STEREOTYPE that RACISTS make about BLACK parties.

This debate will never end until you and others on this message board stop insulting people based on their looks, their urban vibe, or whatever other criteria you use to degrade a group of paying customers in this town. We are supposed to SUPPORT the scene here in Vegas, and everyone's money is good here - not just the a-list as you would classify that. So you should stop for a moment and think about how you come off to visitors here who aren't so blessed with amazing perfection. People come to Vegas message boards to find out what's going on in this city. Don't come off as a total asshole by insulting people who don't fit into your Barbie and Ken standards.

[BillLe]

If anyone has ever met me, they know I don't fit into the Barbie and Ken mold, what makes you think that's all I deal with? You really haven't seen my guests or know who I deal with to assume I only deal with that type.

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Well then, seriously, without an argumentative undertone, I ask you, HONESTLY how DO you define a group of paying customers in dress code, "riff raff?"

[BillLe]

[Sapexec]

Based on a facial rating system, I would classify them as 3's and 4's. Body wise/appearance they get 5's for effort but 3's the outfits themselves.

Then please explain how you classify a group of people as all "hideous ... all under one roof." We know their crowd is almost all black. So how would you consider an african american crowd hideous. Did you bring a scale and weigh everyone? Or did you create some sort of facial rating system. Please expand on how you, God, rank people as disgusting and hideous in a review of a venue.