JP@ ICE or Deep Dish @ Jet????

[danswat79]

I'm definintly one who wasn't thinking straight - I expected at least a decent crowd at ICE - plus I was at Jet Friday night and my group didn't want to go there again.

Jp @ ICE was a huge disapointment except for the music. I give the guy credit though - he was banging it out for the very few that were there.

Really wish we would have went to Deep Dish - so many people I talked too from Rehab were going - I thought it was going to be way too crowded - I had enough of that @ the HR sunday day time.

Vegasguy - was it as packed as we both said it would be last week? Was there room to at least dance or move around a bit?

[vegasguy25]

Vegasguy - was it as packed as we both said it would be last week?

Oh yeah, definitely.

[dirtymike]

OK so I ended up going to JP @ ICE and was very disappointed with the crowd. It made last year at 54 look way better. As far as the music goes..I think he killed it. bomb after bomb for the first 3 hours I was there. It was the best I heard him spin in a while. Its a shame there wasnt a big crowd. It could have been a great night. I think the ICE crowd in general sucks period. I had a better time with about 30 people on sunday, than when it was packed with crackheads on friday night. I'll probably never go to ICE again.

[danswat79]

OK so I ended up going to JP @ ICE and was very disappointed with the crowd. It made last year at 54 look way better. As far as the music goes..I think he killed it. bomb after bomb for the first 3 hours I was there. It was the best I heard him spin in a while. Its a shame there wasnt a big crowd. It could have been a great night. I think the ICE crowd in general sucks period. I had a better time with about 30 people on sunday, than when it was packed with crackheads on friday night. I'll probably never go to ICE again.

Definitly agree - for the 4 hours we were there he was really dropping some sick shit. I was ready to walk out within the first 15 minutes I was there b/c of the lack of vibe/crowd - and I kept saying as soon as his set goes downhill we're out. I figured it was just a matter of time with the amount of people there - but he didn't let up the whole time we were there. Without a doubt the best music I heard all weekend - a little better than Boris - WAY better than Tiesto @ rehab (set was a joke - way too much hype for not even 2 hours from that idoit). Just too bad no one was there to apprecaite it.

[jetnightclub]

WOWOWOWOWO>>SHARAM and JET Killlllled SUnday night!

[epope]

Okay...Its time to preach says THE POPE!!

First off Vegas Guy...

You must not be a true partier or Rolled all your brain cells off...To say Jonathan Peters is a has been. First off the guy had like 75% of the Main Parties this year at the WMC, or maybe you don't know cause your a VEGASGUY not a WORLDWIDE PARTIER!! Last year at Studio was a complete bonehead move by the Promotions Staff to book him. He is a Deep Electronic/Underground House DJ. He does not fit Studio.

This year ICE did a good job in booking him. In NY he is huge. Spins at PACHA like every week, at least a few times a month. And at WMC 06 he tore it up at the parties I was at. Nikki and Nocturnal.

But what people don't realize is Vegas is getting away from the House and Electronic Scene. There are a few people that are keeping it alive like Zee at Jet. And Late Night Empire, and ICE. But Ice is struggling because of the fact that this day and age it is all about where to be. People want to be at the hottest clubs, and with places like Pure, Tao, Jet, Tryst who are spinning Top 40 it is killing the electronic sound. Not to mention Ice has become a locals spot. Most tourist have no clue about Ice.

Don't get me wrong Sharam spinning how could you pass if you love electronic music. But you mix that with the one of the hottest clubs in Vegas its guaranteed. I mean really go see an awesome DJ at the hottest club or go see a really good DJ at a rapidly declining club. And I hate to say that because everyone that loves electronic music knows that ICE is where it started.

And yes I know I am going to get in a battle to say it started there. But it was the first club to open before afterhours and in its main room spin Electronic/Dance/Trance music. So yes that is where it started. Hell half the top host worked there at one point.

So to sum it all up. JP or Deep Dish? Ice or Jet? Well Sharam is hot right now!! In most places, however I can tell you this you take that venue to NY and you put JP at Pacha or even Sound Factory since thats JP's home and you put Sharam somewhere else in the city guarantee you it will look just like it did this MDW.

And Ice can't compete anymore with the Casino Clubs...Everyone make sure you get as much Ice as you can cause it won't be around long...

[cool1g]

Okay...Its time to preach says THE POPE!!

First off Vegas Guy...

You must not be a true partier or Rolled all your brain cells off...To say Jonathan Peters is a has been. First off the guy had like 75% of the Main Parties this year at the WMC, or maybe you don't know cause your a VEGASGUY not a WORLDWIDE PARTIER!! Last year at Studio was a complete bonehead move by the Promotions Staff to book him. He is a Deep Electronic/Underground House DJ. He does not fit Studio.

This year ICE did a good job in booking him. In NY he is huge. Spins at PACHA like every week, at least a few times a month. And at WMC 06 he tore it up at the parties I was at. Nikki and Nocturnal.

But what people don't realize is Vegas is getting away from the House and Electronic Scene. There are a few people that are keeping it alive like Zee at Jet. And Late Night Empire, and ICE. But Ice is struggling because of the fact that this day and age it is all about where to be. People want to be at the hottest clubs, and with places like Pure, Tao, Jet, Tryst who are spinning Top 40 it is killing the electronic sound. Not to mention Ice has become a locals spot. Most tourist have no clue about Ice.

Don't get me wrong Sharam spinning how could you pass if you love electronic music. But you mix that with the one of the hottest clubs in Vegas its guaranteed. I mean really go see an awesome DJ at the hottest club or go see a really good DJ at a rapidly declining club. And I hate to say that because everyone that loves electronic music knows that ICE is where it started.

And yes I know I am going to get in a battle to say it started there. But it was the first club to open before afterhours and in its main room spin Electronic/Dance/Trance music. So yes that is where it started. Hell half the top host worked there at one point.

So to sum it all up. JP or Deep Dish? Ice or Jet? Well Sharam is hot right now!! In most places, however I can tell you this you take that venue to NY and you put JP at Pacha or even Sound Factory since thats JP's home and you put Sharam somewhere else in the city guarantee you it will look just like it did this MDW.

And Ice can't compete anymore with the Casino Clubs...Everyone make sure you get as much Ice as you can cause it won't be around long...

as i mentioned in another thread, JP has almost no following on the west coast other than people that knew him back in the east coast. Also, he's known for playing very long sets with a very drugged out clientele. there aren't too many places out here that cater to the Sound Factory type of partying.

i'd heard from some of his fans that he really sucked for 2005 but recovered his sound starting at the WMC this year. though honestly, you couldn't pay me to go see him. i walked through Nocturnal the morning he was playing so i could see Faarsheed on that patio. didn't even stop for a second

and the fact that there were more people in our VIP section at Jet at 530 am than were at the entire club of Ice at 530 tells you his appeal. so he's played 2 gigs in Vegas on holiday weekends that both sucked...point made - he's got a great regional following but not a national one. his WMC parties were basically 99% guidos and jersey girls - i doubt he could fill those same venues on a normal weekend in Miami.

[vegasalist]

Sorry i read this so late but the winner was??????????

TIESTO at EMPIRE!!!! it was insane...

[vegasalist]

most of it was well said other then UTOPIA is where it all started for Vegas...

[vegasguy25]

Okay...Its time to preach says THE POPE!!

First off Vegas Guy...

You must not be a true partier or Rolled all your brain cells off...To say Jonathan Peters is a has been. First off the guy had like 75% of the Main Parties this year at the WMC, or maybe you don't know cause your a VEGASGUY not a WORLDWIDE PARTIER!! Last year at Studio was a complete bonehead move by the Promotions Staff to book him. He is a Deep Electronic/Underground House DJ. He does not fit Studio.

This year ICE did a good job in booking him. In NY he is huge. Spins at PACHA like every week, at least a few times a month. And at WMC 06 he tore it up at the parties I was at. Nikki and Nocturnal.

But what people don't realize is Vegas is getting away from the House and Electronic Scene. There are a few people that are keeping it alive like Zee at Jet. And Late Night Empire, and ICE. But Ice is struggling because of the fact that this day and age it is all about where to be. People want to be at the hottest clubs, and with places like Pure, Tao, Jet, Tryst who are spinning Top 40 it is killing the electronic sound. Not to mention Ice has become a locals spot. Most tourist have no clue about Ice.

Don't get me wrong Sharam spinning how could you pass if you love electronic music. But you mix that with the one of the hottest clubs in Vegas its guaranteed. I mean really go see an awesome DJ at the hottest club or go see a really good DJ at a rapidly declining club. And I hate to say that because everyone that loves electronic music knows that ICE is where it started.

And yes I know I am going to get in a battle to say it started there. But it was the first club to open before afterhours and in its main room spin Electronic/Dance/Trance music. So yes that is where it started. Hell half the top host worked there at one point.

So to sum it all up. JP or Deep Dish? Ice or Jet? Well Sharam is hot right now!! In most places, however I can tell you this you take that venue to NY and you put JP at Pacha or even Sound Factory since thats JP's home and you put Sharam somewhere else in the city guarantee you it will look just like it did this MDW.

And Ice can't compete anymore with the Casino Clubs...Everyone make sure you get as much Ice as you can cause it won't be around long...

Hmm, where to start. So JP played 75% of the big parties in Miami huh? At best, your boast is laughable. Even you know that is exaggerated by a factor of 20. He played a party at Nocturnal that was well attended because it was during conference, not because he is some sort of internationally known talent. The guy can't even draw enough people to fill my living room on one of the biggest weekends of the year in Las Vegas, so if you think that Ice made a sound business decision by booking him, then all I can say is: lol. Jonathan Peters doesn't have anything remotely resembling a huge following anywhere outside the tri-state area. Being a draw in NYC alone does not guarantee you can fill a club anywhere. JP has proved that the last two years. So do you think Ice's decision to book JP was better than booking, say, Steve Lawler? Steve played Ice earlier this year. and he had so much fun that he said he wanted to come back. John Digweed said the same thing when he played here back in January. If you'll see, John Digweed is on the west coast this month, playing every market aright around Vegas, but not Vegas. Which brings me to your second contention....

Ice can no longer compete with the clubs on the Strip, but it is not solely for the reasons you think. It is true that the end is near for them, and everyone knows it. And even if somehow that is not true, their lineup over Memorial Day weekend only fuels the talk that they are close to done.

Let's start with their Friday night promotion, "Three Kings". Instead of booking someone like the aforementioned DJs in the previous paragraph, Ice rounds up three guys who have been playing Ice quite a bit lately, but who no one who lives on the west coast is going to get excited about because they play out every weekend. Essentially, that was like booking local DJs. On Saturday they did book a local DJ, or a guy who is essentially a local DJ, that being Skribble. Again, who is going to be excited about Mr. MTV? Even if he actually is as good as I've been told, people just can't get amped up about a DJ the grew up watching on MTV. On Sunday, Ice books JP, presumably because he's big in NY and a lot of people from the tri-state area come to Vegas on MDW. As we all know, that was a huge mistake because he drew fewer people than I had in my kindergarten class. Meanwhile, Sharam was absolutely rocking the house at Jet, and Tiesto was down the street doing the same at Empire Ballroom. So, like I have been saying for about a month, Ice really mailed it in on MDW.

Oh, and let's clear something up. Ice didn't start anything, and if you think they did, then you must not have ever visited this town before 2004. I would hope that someone such as yourself who professes to know so much about this town would know the history of the club scene here, but it appears you do not. Back in 1995, a venue by the name of Epicenter opened in the space now known as Empire Ballroom. In 1996, a small group of promoters started a Saturday night party there called Utopia. Once this party got huge, the people behind the party Utopia took over the venue, and renamed it Utopia. This is where electronic music got its start in the club scene in Vegas, not Ice. And lest you say that was an afterhours venue, it opened every Saturday at 10pm. And lest you say Ice was the first to book international talent, they weren't, Utopia was. The second venue to book international talent was Ra. Ra had a house music party on Wednesdays called Pleasuredome, and it was successful for years. Another venue that got into the house music scene, and booked some of the biggest names in the world of electronic music before its unfortunate demise was C2K. So you see, Ice didn't start anything, they merely continued it.

Another contention you make, that Vegas is moving away from house music, is also pretty funny. If that were true, then why would Tao mgmt. waste their time scooping up the house DJs from Teatro, as soon as they became available, to head a Tuesday night promotion? Why would the Light Group have bothered to spend the extra money on a third room for house music at Jet? Why hasn't Empire Ballroom closed yet? Why is the Pure terrace wall to wall people if no one wants to listen to house? Why does Godspeed continue to draw truckloads of people to the Foundation Room every Monday? Why would the promoters of Rehab bother spending money to book house DJs to play their wildly successful party? While there is still a lot of room for progress, house is probably bigger in Vegas right now than it has ever been. I'm really not sure why you would say otherwise. We'll never get to the point where every club is playing house as the leadlining tunage, but house has carved out a pretty big niche here, and it is only getting bigger. Don't expect Vegas to be like Chicago or NYC overnight when it comes to house, because those cities birthed the genre. However considering all that it is up against, house does fairly well here.

[greenie]

If I may gander a guess, I think epope is referring to the way in that Ice was the first of the so-called "mainstream mega clubs" in Vegas to center its entire operation around electronic music and make a 100% (or pretty damn close) commitment to having nothing but electronic in the main room.

Of course, you can only give so much credit to a club that is only open every friday and saturday, plus occasional wednesdays and holidays.

In addition to the other spots listed I'd like to chime in that Baby's seemed pretty committed to electronic in their main room.

All that said, I still love Ice, I'll still go to see any of my favorites (whether locals like Mazzola or Faarsheed, moderately popular like Glaude or immense like Armin) without giving it a second thought, and I'll be very sorry for the day that it does close its doors for good.

[vegasguy25]

^^I thought about that Greenie, but when you really think about it, Ice isn't anymore of a megaclub than Utopia was, despite the fact that Ice is a much nicer venue.

[lalate]

Okay...Its time to preach says THE POPE!!

First off Vegas Guy...

You must not be a true partier or Rolled all your brain cells off...To say Jonathan Peters is a has been. First off the guy had like 75% of the Main Parties this year at the WMC, or maybe you don't know cause your a VEGASGUY not a WORLDWIDE PARTIER!! Last year at Studio was a complete bonehead move by the Promotions Staff to book him. He is a Deep Electronic/Underground House DJ. He does not fit Studio.

JP asked to add *** as a friend on myspace the other day. </sole ego comment of the day lol>

[edlosangeles]

Is DJ CrisCut still at ICE?