Whats everyone's fave style of club music?

[JoelB]

I would go with NYC progressive house, followed by Euro progressive trance ala SnD and Oakenfold.

JoelB

[back2basics]

House & Garage the only type of modern club music that have been proven to last over a decade and the only type with any soul & funk. And probably the only type that will be here next decade.

ps S&D dont play trance they play progressive house. Not even the US magazines use the phrase "progresive trance" and the mags are the ones who pigeon hole things in the first place.

mixing it up again

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[Randy]

I say it is still difficult to pigeonhole what they play. Diggers will play full fledged house music or evne glide his way to techno.

House and garage may last a longer time, btu I sometiems see that as a defect in the music. It doesn't progress anywhere. Prog house/trance does not mean that they do either. In those subgenres "progressive" refers to the progression of melodies.

I still love house, I jsut wish it would evolve a bit more.

[JackMeOff]

to dance - vocal house

to listen to - disco funk

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[JoelB]

OK, so you want to tell Satellite records there wrong? You're not going to try to tell me that Oakenfold doesnt play Trance are you, or even Sasha? I know that Digweed plays house, but I dont really like him, Sasha is the bomb.

[Alexandra]

Euro trance in the style of Oakenfold, PVD & Matt Darey, Ferry Corsten, etc is my * FAVORITE * ...yeah, I love all those "cheesy" "girly" trance anthems!

But a close second is Sasha & digweed style progressive house/Euro trance.

I still like house and also freestyle, but trance is my LIFE!

Alexandra

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[back2basics]

Too true and house stands for 4/4 with breakdowns & drumroles.

House has evolved randy, into trance, techno leftfield and hundreds of house/rock cross overs (prodigy, chem brother etc). And all the filtered disco stuff now, speed garage the list goes on and on and on and on.

The genera is just a template that helps the magazines describe the sound.

Joelb, i wont but ask Sasha he will, guess you missed all the interviews with him & no record shop i have ever been in has a progressive trance section. I am sure he does play Trance but is known (for the last 5 years) for progressive house.

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[JoelB]

Yeah I hear ya Alex, thanks for the corrections. I also love that ferry corsten type stuff, but at least when he plays over here, Oakenfold seems to have a little more of an edge. Like his songs arent just those blindly joyous and somewhat empty trance anthems, but they have some bite, some slighly darker overtones. I like the fluffy stuff, but the harder tracks get me going more.

joelB

[Randy]

House has evolved int ocompletely new genres, but from what I hear not so much w/n itself.

I dunno, timeless tracks are cool, but I think it is also nice to havea certain movement associated wit ha vertain style of hosue.

With trance, its gone through many changes. Right now there is a big split with fluffu stuff a la Alexandra's favs and the feepr style S&D and others are going. Will the 2 become completely different genres? I doubt that. The deeper trance is actually starting to move into deep house territory and may possibly erase the distinction.

Drum and bass and jungle have gone in a lot of directions.

House may have disco/tribal/vocal/etc, but quality house all has the same feel. The nyc "hard" or now "progressive" (updated word) has no feeling, no soul, so I don't count that.

Of course, these are all jsut my personal opinions (except the ny crap house thing, anyone w/ understanding can see how uncreative that crap is)

Long live house!

Just experiment more. Thats it! I don't hear enough experimentation in house. I jsut listened to Satoshi Tomeii's album. It started out slightly edgy, but the rest of it didn't really push any boundaries.

[back2basics]

Randy,

Trance isn't going anywhere new, dont forget it's been 8 years now. Everybody ignored it but i was listening to melodic, acid and the big chunky stuff years ago in goa. Nothing new has is happening there it just seems like it. It's the same with speed garage house with big B lines has been around for about ten years ok the time strech vocals wern't but there crap anyway.

Yes D&B etc are going in a new direction but the point is i cannot see them appering from no where, without house i dont think they would exist @ the moment.

"It's not about the notes it's about the spaces in between." - Me

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[Randy]

What about breaks in trance? Sure breaks have been used in years, but they are starting to do a few more interesting things with them. Never did I say that trance was the evolving music, it is simply the more listened to music of the moment. That will pass and garage will step up over here as it is in the UK.

Psytrance is definitely doing some cool things. It may have been a branch years ago, but the music is starting t opick up mroe in new york. Damn shame all teh psy parties are on fridays now, err. SInce I work friday nights I can't check out the psy parties, but my friends tell me a lot.

Oh well, wait til I start making tracks. Your ears will never forgive you.

[JoelS]

My favourite kind of dance music are deep-house/garage and Drum&Bass.

Soulful house has been around for quite a long time now. I think it has evolved. The evolution is just very slow (some could argue that soulful house is just soulful disco with a harder beat). For example the african influence (even if Larry Levan played Fela at the paradise garage) is relatively new, just listen to some of the Frederic Galliano's projects: African Divas or Frikyiwa, it's still very deep soulful house and a completely new way of making house and african music. However evolution in deep house is the exception, not the rule.

Anyway even if deep house is the mother of all dance music (and disco is the grand mother) it is just one subkind of dance music. It is what I feel to be the most uplifiting and transcending music but it is just one subkind of all dance musics.

Drum&Bass has evolved in plenty of subkind (so much that it is confusing) and tend to separate itself from dance music to become one separate genre. In drum&bass you can go from a very deep and soulful feeling, close to deep house, (things like James Hardway, Dj Peshay, 4 heros etc...) to very dark and pumpin' tunes (Ed Rush & Optical, etc...) to even very hard and violent industrial with a drum&bass beat (Cubanate, Pitchshifters) but Drum&Bass is also stuck and hadn't evolved for the last 3 years. It looks like D&B is stuck into jazzy tunes on one side and dark tracks on the other.

Trance which sounds new and fresh to a lots of people sounds terrible to me. I feel like I hear the bad german tracks of 8 years ago mellowed down and made more "pop" by english djs. I can't get in this sound anymore.

Big beat (Chemical brothers, etc...) sound the same things made with the industrial/dance things of the end of the eighties (Meat Beat Manifesto, Greater Than one, Consolidated etc...) I can't get it either.

The only "new" thing is 2-Step Garage but alas I don't like it (except a very few things) I feel that 2-Step djs just artificially put elements of different style of music without really thinking about new sounds (slow 2-step jungle beat with sped up american urban R&B, Aaliyah on speed) but it may become the new good style of dance music (I doubt it, it will be killed by over-commercialisation before getting to a mature state)

I feel that the whole western pop music (I mean rock, pop, folk, r&b, soul, rap, dance, etc..) is kind of stalled now. Maybe the next big popular music won't come from the western world this time?

(I write too much)

Plur,

Joël S.

[Pershoot]

deep house....techie house....progressive--mid-to hard---trance...some DnB...breakbeat trance....

[Jilly]

Mine....DETROIT TECHNO....

Shame..they don't play very much of it here.

(but tonite they are...oh yes!!!)

It makes me ill..when I talk to people who say they are "dj's", and they have no friggin idea what detroit techno is.

-J

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[back2basics]

JoelB, spot on fella.

Jilly love Detroit techno too, i think you have just missed Richie Hawtin he played over there this week sometime.

It's all good... except trance

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[SCOTT0971]

techno, tech-house, hard-trance (dj hardware), florida breaks (Dj icey) some tribal stuff. the tronic crew are incredible smith/selway/barbara and of course the man jeff mills. anyone hear his new cd? i want to buy it but can only find it at sonic groove.

[blueangel]

Paul Van Dyk! PAUL! VAN! DYK!

Hmmm . . . did I forget anything? OH, PVD!!

Enough said.

BlueAngel

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[blueangel]

Originally posted by Alexandra:

Euro trance in the style of Oakenfold, PVD & Matt Darey, Ferry Corsten, etc is my * FAVORITE * ...yeah, I love all those "cheesy" "girly" trance anthems!

But a close second is Sasha & digweed style progressive house/Euro trance.

I still like house and also freestyle, but trance is my LIFE!

Alexandra

Alexandra, I'm in the same boat that you are!! I love all that fluffy, pretty trance. So, beautiful!!

B2B, let's not get started on this trance thing again, okay? My fingers are stil sore from the last round.

BlueAngel

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[tranza]

HOUSE HOUSE HOUSE HOUSE HOUSE HOUSE..

Every single type of house.. House will live forever.. Trance was a phase I went through, but house will always be the best..

I'm also a techno fan.. Tribal techno is probably the sickest music ever.. I love it..

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Hit My Damn Music...

[bLizAnci]

Originally posted by back2basics:

House & Garage the only type of modern club music that have been proven to last over a decade and the only type with any soul & funk. And probably the only type that will be here next decade.

have u forgotten that techno has been around just as long..and has survived just as long..

probably has a larger but more subtle following..will still be here as the rest of the genres fall...

to say techno has no soul or funk is cruel.

this whole new house/trance movement towards darkness is nothing new...i can play you some obscure techno from 5 years back and the likes of DT/S&D would surely look at it quizzingly wondering where it came from.

don't let the corporate world..the big time dj's...or even your neighbor tell you whats right and wrong to listen to..

just listen and enjoy it..

thats the point of it.

wait until the powers of composing on your home computer and the ability to cut your own records at home become more popular. we have only seen a small speck of what can happen with music.

just offerring another angle

-z-

[gonzojournilist]

it's all about that crazy head pounding acid

Mike Dearborne

Adam X

maybe some west coast house

DJ Dan

Steve Loria

always gotta have the Detroit sound

Kevin Saunderson

Juan Atkins

Eddie "The Flashin" Fowlkes

Green Velvet

but you know nothing beats straight up techno

Frankie Bones

Jeff Mills

Damon Wild

Lenny Dee(in 93, you know what? - I enjoy his hardcore sets now also where the hell have you been lenny?)

[johnb]

I thought about it a lot lately. I used to think I liked almost anything funky on minimum 120 bpms. Then a good friend of mine got into UK garage, which is quite funky, and as soon as I heard that I wanted to jump out of a window. I like almost anything house that´s not cheesy. I can even get into commercial house if the mood is right. Right now I´m big into the Digweed style progressive stuff. (And people quit confusing progressive and trance, the difference is in the beat, and it is very clear, although DJs may cross over a bit in their sets). But I like all house, deep, soulful stuff, vocals, but especially the dark stuff (yes I love DT too).

I can get into trance if it´s not too fluffy and ¨girly¨(I never thought of trance as girly before) but I find the repetitive trance beat to get a little boring and robotic after a while. It´s very restrictive. If you can let the beat and the bassline flow the music can go in many more different directions, and take you with it. I like it though, but I like house much better.

When breakbeat is played progressively I really love it. Sasha and especially Anthony Pappa weave in a lot of wicked breaks in their sets. But everyone who I´ve ever seen who calls themself a breakbeat DJ plays it more like hard DnB with hard beats, which turns me off. I´ve never seen any of the top ones though like Freeland or Layo and Bushwacka. I´m looking forward to check out Freeland at Twilo some time.

DnB, I´m just not full of adrenaline enough. I used to just not care for it, but now I have grown to hate it, because I´ve heard too many people call it the ¨real underground¨ when all they are doing is putting some cheesy anthem on top of a painful beat. I saw LTJ Bukem once, and although he was much better, I just couldn´t dance to it.

Big beat=cheese. Nuff said.

Techno, when it´s played funky like Jeff Mills it´s brilliant. But most techno DJs I´ve heard in Europe are painful. I think the Americans really are better at techno.

JohnB

[back2basics]

Sleepiswaste,

I hadn't forgoten just failed to mention.

JoelB,

I think you right about techno DJ's, although there are some German DJ's who know how to throw it down. Went to see Richie Hawtin last night.... the man is god. He went from being in my top 5 favorites to number 1. From the moment he hit the decks the place just went off. There again he is Canadian.

Prediction - Techno is back in a big way.

1.5 million in Detroit carn't be wrong.

(i know it's never been away)

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I want to go out blazing not fade away.

It's not just about the notes played, it's about the spaces in-between.