amnesty for Mexicans

[dusted]

Bush's gift to Fox

(Amnesty for illegals)

Passes House . .

Bush is pushing Congress to pass a Section 245(i) extension before he goes to Mexico on March 22. Section 245(i) is rolling amnesty. Mexico is demanding amnesty as part of its goal of occupation and conquest of parts of America.

WHAT IS Section 245(i)?

Section 245(i) would restore a provision allowing illegal aliens to pay the INS $1000 and remain in the country, subject to only a cursory U.S. police record check, before receiving green cards. If Section 245(i) is not revived, these illegal aliens will instead be required to return to their country of origin where their application for an immigration visa would be subject to a far more vigorous home country background investigation. The legal procedure for entering the U.S. involves a background check performed in the country of origin to ensure that the immigrant or visitor does not pose a security threat. These laws were put in place for the precise reason of protecting our homeland and preventing a national tragedy like September 11th.

[dusted]

Pat Buchanan Predicts

the

Death of "Gringos"

by

Ernesto Cienfuegos

La Voz de Aztlan

Los Angeles, Alta California - 12/2/2002 - (ACN) It looks like Pzifer's Sildenafil Citrate (Viagra) tablets are not working for white men if one is to believe Pat Buchanan's new book titled "The Death of the West". Mr. Buchanan is predicting the demise of white America, white Europe and even white Israel because of the greater virility and fertility of people of color. He says that by 2050 the USA will be a Third World nation largely because of Mexican immigration and birthrates. Somebody should remind Mr. Buchanan of the great Olmec, Mayan, Teotihuacan and Aztec civilizations that existed in Mexico way prior to the time that his ragged ancestors arrived at Ellis Island starving for lack of potatoes.

Mr. Pat Buchanan is a white racist and a white bigot, plain and simple. He is now a "has been" and is simply race baiting and scaring white people in a last ditch effort to save his political career. It is not going to work. The ex-governor of Alta California, Pete (Pito) Wilson, tried the same thing and now he is a non-entity. The best that Pat Buchanan should hope for is to sell a few of his books to old folks in "white senior care centers" where their ungrateful sons and daughters dump them when they are no longer productive.

Buchanan focuses on La Raza in a chapter he titles "La Reconquista" where he contends that an invasion of the United States is taking place and that America now harbors a “nation within a nation.” We suppose that he means Aztlan. It looks like he flunked US History 101 in college because he does not seem to know that we had missions, pueblos and ranchos around here way before "gringos" ever came to this region. He writes that radical and militant Latino and Mexican leaders are conspiring for the cultural and demographic recapture of the Southwest from America and thus reversing the results of The Mexican War. It must be that he wrote the chapter before Mayor James Hahn declared Los Angeles a Mexican city. Not only is Los Angeles a Mexican city but also San Francisco, Santa Barbara, San Diego, San Antonio, Santa Fe, El Paso, and countless other cities in the southwest. The very names of these cities indicate their history. We have been here all this time. The only difference is that we as a people have now overcome many of the oppressive and racist policies that have been imposed on us by the "gringos" like the Buchanans and the Wilsons of the USA.

Perhaps Buchanan should look elsewhere for the causes of what he perceives to be "The Death of the West" instead of scapegoating people of color and specially us Mexicans in the southwest. Must we remind Mr. Buchanan of the causes of the fall of the Roman Empire and other civilizations throughout the history of the human race. Are we responsible for the high homosexual and lesbian rates among white people? This is one reason why white people are not multiplying. How about the corruption in your highest levels of government? Must we remind Mr. Buchanan of the depraved sexual trysts of ex-president Bill Clinton with Monica Lewinsky in the White House or about Congressman Condit and his implication in the disappearance of Chandra Levy. Are we responsible for white kids committing suicide at such high rates and the shootouts at schools like the one that occurred at Columbine High School in Colorado. These incidents were all a "white thing" and we had nothing to do with them.

Sometimes us Mexicans feel sad for white kids. They do seem like they are dying. A glaring example took place during the Rose Parade in Pasadena, Alta California on New Year's Day. It just happened that the Columbine High School Band made the trip to participate in the parade. Unfortunately the Columbine H.S. Band followed another high school band from Detroit. This band consisted of all black students and they put on quite a show. Watching them marching and playing their musical instruments made one want to dance. They lifted ones spirits joyously. Then came the all white Columbine High School Band. What a sorry sight. One felt sad for them instead of happy. They seemed like people out of the film "Night of the Living Dead." They seemed dead inside with no spirit. No wonder those kids went on a rampage at the high school. I could not help think that there is a very serious "spiritual" problem at Columbine High School and that this was the cause for the shootout and killing of the thirteen students. This very same phenomena can be observed elsewhere throughout white society. Drugs (i.e. Oxycontin), alcoholism, racism, bigotry, hypocrisy, greed, homosexuality and white family incest are but a few manisfestation of the white spiritual problem. Whereas people of color commit economic crimes for survival, white people are committing "spiritual" crimes because of depravity, decadence and other similar factors. Most serial murderers throughout history, including Jack the Ripper have been white. Perhaps the fundamental problem of white people is spiritual in nature and it is this that is causing "The Death of the West". The "West" has lost its moral bearings and it is now devoid of spirituality. People of color have nothing to do with this and, to the contrary, we may be the salvation of the white people who see and understand what is really happening.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Check this out to see where the next wave of terrorism will come from:

http://aztlan.net/

[breaksny]

What exactly is your point? That mexico is a terrorist threat to the US?

[malone]

Why is it Okay to say "white People" but not Okay to say "colored people"? They have to be referred to as "people of color". What a crock!! And this guy sure doesn't much care for white folks or gays, yet has the audacity to bandy about the words "racist" and "bigot". Apparently, what's sauce for the goose isn't sauce for the gander, after all. But that's the sickening thing about the pc crowd. Everyone has to be re-engineered to think, speak and act in the approved manner, except those who dovetail nicely with whathever the pet cause is. Usually some group who may have had some ligitimate claim as victims in the past, but hardly today. Besides, being a "victim" shouldn't automatically confer you with this special- category status.

[malone]

"Drugs (i.e. Oxycontin), alcoholism, racism, bigotry, hypocrisy, greed, homosexuality and white family incest are but a few manisfestation of the white spiritual problem. Whereas people of color commit economic crimes for survival, white people are committing "spiritual" crimes because of depravity, decadence and other similar factors."

Breaksny, if dusted uttered these comments about Mexicans you'd be all over him like flies on a road apple. Instead, the best you can muster is : "What exactly is your point? That mexico is a terrorist threat to the US?" These are the words of one of the left's chosen people. You are a self-designated lefty. Surely a thoughtful chap like you can see that sentiments such as these are not what America is about?? A more critical exploration of those comments, surely, wouldn't jeopardize your standing within the left. If you cry "racist" and "bigot" at Dusted and me with such abandon, how could you overlook it with this clown? Let's not be so tolerant of intolerance. Dusted could get the wrong idea.

[nifer]

[phuturephunk]

Originally posted by malone

"Drugs (i.e. Oxycontin), alcoholism, racism, bigotry, hypocrisy, greed, homosexuality and white family incest are but a few manisfestation of the white spiritual problem. Whereas people of color commit economic crimes for survival, white people are committing "spiritual" crimes because of depravity, decadence and other similar factors."

Breaksny, if dusted uttered these comments about Mexicans you'd be all over him like flies on a road apple. Instead, the best you can muster is : "What exactly is your point? That mexico is a terrorist threat to the US?" These are the words of one of the left's chosen people. You are a self-designated lefty. Surely a thoughtful chap like you can see that sentiments such as these are not what America is about?? A more critical exploration of those comments, surely, wouldn't jeopardize your standing within the left. If you cry "racist" and "bigot" at Dusted and me with such abandon, how could you overlook it with this clown? Let's not be so tolerant of intolerance. Dusted could get the wrong idea.

. . . But Malone, thoughts like this do have an eerie semblance to what suburban white living IS about . . . The parental quest in that setting is for safety . . security on levels . . .This translates into New Agey parenting for your sterotypically "white" children . . who, without firm discipline become bored and then seek to overwhelm themselves with stimuli because their perception of social status seems to entitle them to do so . . .

. . .There is a problem with white American youth . . and decadence and overindulgence is it . . . There are no builders any more because parents don't instill the desire to build, but the desire to obtain for the sake of status . . . One doesn't build a monument searching for status, even if that's the first reason for making the attempt . . Eventually, one must come to terms that the goal should be to achieve . . . not to consume . . . Do for the sake of doing, not for what you're gonna get paid . . .

. . but I digress . . . I think the statements about the loss of spirituality in White youth is dead on . . . I've seen it a thousand times, having come from one of the most cookie cutter suburban settings in Fortress America today . . . Those kids were easy to control. . . Mommy and Daddy got money? . . oh well, I'll be your best friend . . the first one you call on a Friday night . . . cause you need me to feel alive . . . .

. . . the truth is harsh . . .

[malone]

"Drugs (i.e. Oxycontin), alcoholism, racism, bigotry, hypocrisy, greed, homosexuality and white family incest are but a few manisfestation of the white spiritual problem. Whereas people of color commit economic crimes for survival, white people are committing "spiritual" crimes because of depravity, decadence and other similar factors"

This was the post, phuterphunk. I have no idea what your incoherent ramblings have to do with that guy's comments, or my own, for that matter. And what's with the bloody annoying use of elipses?? The only reasonable comment you made was : ".. but I digress..."

[phuturephunk]

Originally posted by malone

This was the post, phuterphunk. I have no idea what your incoherent ramblings have to do with that guy's comments, or my own, for that matter

. . . Such is life . . . does that annoy you? . . .

[kramadas]

Originally posted by malone

"Drugs (i.e. Oxycontin), alcoholism, racism, bigotry, hypocrisy, greed, homosexuality and white family incest are but a few manisfestation of the white spiritual problem. Whereas people of color commit economic crimes for survival, white people are committing "spiritual" crimes because of depravity, decadence and other similar factors"

This was the post, phuterphunk. I have no idea what your incoherent ramblings have to do with that guy's comments, or my own, for that matter. And what's with the bloody annoying use of elipses?? The only reasonable comment you made was : ".. but I digress..."

Truth does hurt huh?

Phuterphunk was actually quite clear in what he said. He agrees with fact that most suburban white kids ARE spiritually "dead" ...too much money, and material things, but nothing to nourish the spirit.

And the reason the term "colored people" is not PC is because that term has derogatory connotations...whereas the term "white people" has never been used in a belittling manner in the past.

[breaksny]

LOL @ malone. DUH! U said it yerself, I didn't even need to. I'm not exactly sure what dusted's point in posting it was, since as u said it's more racist garbage. And his subject heading about some new terrorist threat, and in conjunction with that a piece on mexico, seems odd to me. The only threat to American national security coming out of mexico I'm aware of is all the drugs we import from there. But if we didn't buy em, they wouldn't sell em. Of course I don't think much of pieces like that and if I ask "what's your point?" It should be obvious that I'm not seeing one in his post. It appeared as though he was making a connection between terrorism and mexico, which seems odd. It wouldn't be hard to make the further connection in some cases that the label "terrorist" is used in a racially biased manner on a regular basis here and abroad, such as the advocacy that many in law enforcement in this country are making for racial profiling of Arabs, Muslims, and south Asians, or their immigrant American families and descendants of said ethnic, religious, and cultural backgrounds. Btw, what exactly is "one of the left's chosen people?" U make me sound like a messianic figure or something.

[malone]

"And the reason the term "colored people" is not PC is because that term has derogatory connotations...whereas the term "white people" has never been used in a belittling manner in the past."

Absolute gibberish!! Who decides what the rules of discourse shall be?? Here we had a diatribe from some jerk rolling over white people in the most vile manner, and you act like white people never had to endure this crap. So what's the deal if someone talks of "people of color" in a "belittiing manner"?? Do we then have to run out and conjure up some new terms that are unblemished, and meet with the approval of the pc Gestapo?

Language is an expression of thought; any one attempting to control language is attempting to control thought. Enter the thought police. If you don't like what someone has to say, then make the countervailing argument . Less reliance on tactics best suited to "1984" please.

[dusted]

Obviously, Breaksny didn't bother to click on the link that the passage was lifted from, otherwise he would know why I made the comment about terrorism. He would know that Mexicans see themselves as the "New Palestinians" and that there is a sizable contingent of people who want to make the Southwest US into Mexico.

All Breaksny is able to do is to shout "racist" and "bigot". Frankly, its getting so tired. Its also distressing that he does not acknowledge his own bigotry, namely the fact that he is biased against white people, and in favor of brown people, of all persuasions.

Its OK in his book to talk badly about white people as a group, and to make sweeping generalizations about them.

He is so willing to believe that all "people of color" are victims, and all "white people" (people without color?) are the evil agressors.

I wonder what he would say if I said "Black people are all shallow and spiritually dead. All they care about are material possessions-bitches, gold chains, fancy cars, designer labels, and benjamins."

Its a rhetorical question, of course.

[malone]

breaksny

" LOL @ malone. DUH! U said it yerself, I didn't even need to. I'm not exactly sure what dusted's point in posting it was, since as u said it's more racist garbage"

Perhaps the Queens english has challenged you unduly. But, to clarify for those too inclined to distort, misquote and generally engage in acts of willful ignorance: Your misinterpretation of my post, and for that matter, Dusted's, is the act of a desperate individual. I certainly hope it was also deliberate, as the alternative is probably even less favorable from your stand point. I guess theres a racist under every bed. Hello Mc Carthyism.

[dusted]

xxxxx

[dusted]

Professor Predicts 'Hispanic Homeland'

By The Associated Press

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — A University of New Mexico Chicano Studies professor predicts a new, sovereign Hispanic nation within the century, taking in the Southwest and several northern states of Mexico.

Charles Truxillo suggests the “Republica del Norte,” the Republic of the North, is “an inevitability.”

He envisions it encompassing all of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and southern Colorado, plus the northern tier of Mexican states: Baja California, Sonora, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Nuevo León and Tamaulipas.

Along both sides of the U.S.-Mexico border “there is a growing fusion, a reviving of connections,” Truxillo said. “Southwest Chicanos and Norteño Mexicanos are becoming one people again.”

Truxillo, 47, has said the new country should be brought into being “by any means necessary,” but recently said it was unlikely to be formed by civil war. Instead, its creation will be accomplished by the electoral pressure of the future majority Hispanic population in the region, he said.

Other UNM professors were skeptical

Felipe Gonzáles, director of UNM's Southwest Hispanic Research Institute, said there's a “certain homeland undercurrent” among New Mexico Hispanics who believe land was stolen and promises broken. But, he said, a new nation would need much more widespread support.

“Educated elites are going to have to pick up on this idea and run with it and use it as a point of confrontation if it is to succeed,” Gonzáles said.

Truxillo contends states have the right to secede under the Articles of Confederation of 1777, in which states retained “sovereignty, freedom and independence.” He contends the Articles were not superseded in that regard by the U.S. Constitution and that although the Civil War settled the question militarily, it was never resolved by courts.

History Professor Daniel Feller disagreed

“The Constitution does supersede the Articles of Confederation,” Feller said. “It takes no notice of the articles and is not presented as bearing any relation to them. The Constitution does not declare, recognize or in any way acknowledge the right to secede.”

And, he noted, the full title was “Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union.”

The U.S. Supreme Court said in 1869 the union was indestructible, political science Professor Joseph Stewart said.

He also said he was “somewhat skeptical in the sense of minority politics” about a possible Republic of the North. He said Americans of Mexican descent have moved all over the United States and that “I don't see that Hispanic population becoming more distinct but in fact becoming less distinct.”

Juan José Peña, Hispanic activist and vice chairman of the Hispanic Roundtable, said there's not enough political consciousness among Mexican Americans to form a separate nation.

“Right now, there's no movement capable of undertaking it,” he said.

Truxillo, who teaches at UNM's Chicano Studies Program on a yearly contract, believes it's his job to help develop a “cadre of intellectuals” to think about how it can become a reality.

Native-born American Hispanics feel like strangers in their own land, he said

“We remain subordinated,” he said. “We have a negative image of our own culture, created by the media. Self-loathing is a terrible form of oppression. The long history of oppression and subordination has to end.”

Truxillo said Hispanics who have achieved positions of power or otherwise are “enjoying the benefits of assimilation” are most likely to oppose a new nation.

“There will be the negative reaction, the tortured response of someone who thinks, 'Give me a break. I just want to go to Wal-Mart.' But the idea will seep into their consciousness, and cause an internal crisis, a pain of conscience, an internal dialogue as they ask themselves: 'Who am I in this system?”'

© 2000 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[malone]

"Obviously, Breaksny didn't bother to click on the link that the passage was lifted from, otherwise he would know why I made the comment about terrorism. He would know that Mexicans see themselves as the "New Palestinians" and that there is a sizable contingent of people who want to make the Southwest US into Mexico.

All Breaksny is able to do is to shout "racist" and "bigot". Frankly, its getting so tired. Its also distressing that he does not acknowledge his own bigotry, namely the fact that he is biased against white people, and in favor of brown people, of all persuasions.

Its OK in his book to talk badly about white people as a group, and to make sweeping generalizations about them.

He is so willing to believe that all "people of color" are victims, and all "white people" (people without color?) are the evil agressors.

I wonder what he would say if I said "Black people are all shallow and spiritually dead. All they care about are material possessions-bitches, gold chains, fancy cars, designer labels, and benjamins."

Its a rhetorical question, of course."

Indeed. Or where he perceives that his position as a "moderate" may demand otherwise, he'll make a mealy-mouthed response and then open up with both barrels on the bearer of the bad news. But this attitude is so pervasive on the left that the real surprise would be if it were otherwise. Ad homenim attacks are de rigueur for these bipeds.

[phuturephunk]

Originally posted by malone

I wonder what he would say if I said "Black people are all shallow and spiritually dead. All they care about are material possessions-bitches, gold chains, fancy cars, designer labels, and benjamins."

Its a rhetorical question, of course."

. . . If it's so rhetorical, why bother posting it then? . . I mean . . you obviously want to ellicit a response from him . . .

[dusted]

Of course!

[malone]

". . . If it's so rhetorical, why bother posting it then? . . I mean . . you obviously want to ellicit a response from him . . ."

Firstly, the post you refer to was originally posted by Dusted, not me. Secondly, a rhetorical question is used for effect, which is, or should be, quite clear in this particular instance. The response would be elicited from the rest of the post. Wow! How hard was that?

[kramadas]

Originally posted by dusted

Obviously, Breaksny didn't bother to click on the link that the passage was lifted from, otherwise he would know why I made the comment about terrorism. He would know that Mexicans see themselves as the "New Palestinians" and that there is a sizable contingent of people who want to make the Southwest US into Mexico.

Ummm....point me to one terrorist attack on the US by Mexicans.

Yeah, Mexico is now going to start breeding suicide bombers...

[phuturephunk]

Originally posted by malone

". . . If it's so rhetorical, why bother posting it then? . . I mean . . you obviously want to ellicit a response from him . . ."

Firstly, the post you refer to was originally posted by Dusted, not me. Secondly, a rhetorical question is used for effect, which is, or should be, quite clear in this particular instance. The response would be elicited from the rest of the post. Wow! How hard was that?

. . . well . . maybe if you learned how to properly quote a thread, I wouldn't be confused as to who said what . . .but then again, an action like that takes foresight . . .

[sassa]

what is this world coming to? this is ridiculous

[dusted]

Ummm....point me to one terrorist attack on the US by Mexicans.

Yeah, Mexico is now going to start breeding suicide bombers...

I didn't say that, you dick. The post merely indicates that there is a fifth column of Mexicans (and Mexican-Americans) that hate this country, that identify with the Palestinians, and who want to take the southwest US and make it part of Mexico. Hence the phrases "Los Angeles, capital of Aztlan" and such.

Do you really think its that far-fetched of an idea? The literature is out there. A LOT of it. Los Angeles already has a state flag with the Mexican colors on it.

You're not so uninformed as to have never heard of the "Requonquista" movement?

[kramadas]