bionic

i've been around for a long time and been to them all. i have my favorites as does everyone else. it's not a debate over how great a place was. leaving flowers outside of a fucking brick building b/c a club closed is truly pathetic. there's no other way to slice it. (yeah i know i'm late in the thread, but even i was surprised how rediculous that was)

whats going on at quo sunday?

i always thought it was called your grundal...

HOLY SHIT! 100 PCT SPOT ON! i can't stand when people make statements like "omg nobody there could dance". who are you to criticize? go out to have fun and choose your venue accordingly. different strokes for different folks. if fun for you means dressing up, having a few drinks and getting your groove on (as you define it) not as some spikey hair handjob who is stuck in a sf circle defines it, then go for it. if its a grimier, sneaker wearing, place your after, great! go to a place that accomodates you and rip shit up. nyc provides a lil somethin for everyone. if a place you went, wasn't what you expected then fine don't go back. don't rip on people b/c they're good looking and dressed well and you aren't.

you have to be shittin me. i had seen her about a month ago up here in midtown and she's ugly as sin. i thought she looked bad in photos but man what a wreck in person.

MOTLEY

thanks for your help!!

jp does not own it. jp's mgmt company has a short term lease of the space with the option to renew for a much longer period.

ok hear's a little friendly advice from an old timer. FIRST: i agree, it's bullshit - holding up the line till after the list closes so people have to pay or get a bottle. it's been done for years and will keep being done.... (its a shady business) if you get pissed and don't go in, there are plenty after you who will. thats how they get away with it. SECOND: it amazes me the mentality of people concerned about what the line outside a club looks like. ARE YOU PEOPLE FUCKING RETARDED??? the people outside ie: "cracked out chinese dudes, guidos, and loads and loads of single guys" are the people NOT IN THE CLUB!! get it???? NOT IN THE CLUB!!! maybe you're worried about being surrounded by hot girls and having fun while you're on line, but the mgmt of the club and people inside are concerned about the clientele INSIDE. now don't get me wrong, i'm not defending black. normally those rejects standing on line should prob never get it, but black needs numbers, big ones, so sooner or later they do get in. FYI: if you walk by ANY respectable nightclub that cares about who they let in, you'll see a line of guys outside. the cracked out chinese dudes? well thats a bonus that comes with having a party in exit. they came with the lease - package deal

he may be right, but you never know. stranger things have happened. if he wants to roll the dice, so be it. let that be his call. he was just asking for info so he can plan accordingly. who knows, maybe he's best friends with adriana lima and will not only get in but drink for free. (not to mention be my hero ) i've seen it happen so many times on this board where someone who asks something about a place they know nothing about gets reamed with the same old tired rhetoric.

because so many people on this board are assholes. pm and marquee all fall into the ultra trendy category that are very very difficult to get into without a model on your arm or knowing somebody. you asked a legit question and i wondered the same thing about that place as i made my way to crobar a while back. some people just can't wait to jump down someones throat. there was a much better way to say what he said to you. dip shit chose to take the low road and try and come off like he's in the know.

who does the door at marquee, anybody know??

as many times as it takes till these stupid irresponsible kids smarten up. big roxy fridays - there won't be another party like that again.i never missed a friday! i'm old school i remember the way it was. roxy fridays then sf sat's. i'm not going to reiterate all thats been said in this post and others of the like, but i'll just say i agree with you all. ALSO WANTED TO SAY GREAT ORIGINAL POST.

i'm not rippin into kosta personally here. i'm just elaborating on the endless b&t debate. i don't know him. he asked a simple reasonable question and was seemingly unfairly attacked.

nj gets the bad rap for being a dump. sure there are shitty areas, but there are plenty of super nice ones. it'd be like going into spanish harlem and assuming the rest of manhattan was just as bad. like i said, i grew up in nj so i'm speaking from experience. the jersey shore has the reputation of being the kind of place that you see on that mtv show. the truth is long beach island is beautiful. me and a few friends go down there for a week each summer. it's quiet clean and there aren't any of the handjobs that you get at belmar/seaside that you see at surf club every weeekend. again, it'd be like going to neptunes and generalizing that all of the hamptons is like that. that part of the hamptons is like seaside - east, lol... so it's not fair to generalize, BUT if you want to use the topics of conversation of the nj board as an example of the typical mentality of the average b&ter, you can see why there is such predjudice against them... note the places these people talk about week in and week out. deko,platinum,belmar,seaside,soundgarden,neptunes,black, exit, sf, sessa, roxy arc, disco etc etc (yes i know some of these places are closed) you see, its the same crowd at all the same places, at all times of the year.

the b&t crowd makes up a large population of the b&t places. ie: all big room clubs on fri and sat nights and the popular loungier spots on fri and sat night. b&t people think that most nyc hotspots are filled with mostly other b&t-ers b/c these are the only places that they go to. (i tried to make that sound as coherent as possible). truth is, there is more to nyc nightlife then what is listed on city-search. usually, by the time it hits that website or others of the like, it's the mark of the b&t invasion. i'm not knocking all people from nj, li, etc etc, but there is a much different vibe, atmosphere and crowd at places on off nights ie weeknights or clubs/lounges that have not hit the main stream yet. EXAMPLE your average toolbag from nj throws on is a/x shirt, diesel jeans, diesel sneakers and splashes on versace blue jeans cologne and thinks he's mr saturday night. comes into the bar/club, gets drunk, incessantly hits on everybody in the place, is loud and obnoxious thinking he "owns the place" and ends up having words or starting a fight with someone. trust me, i grew up in nj and know what i'm talking about. you look at 1/2 the people in these places and they all look like clones. been living in nyc for the last 6+ yrs and believe me there is a difference!!

i look at it this way, it's cleaning up the trash. it'll probably take a little while for these idiots to smarten up and probably take a few of their friends gettin pinched. so be it.... having them close earlier will get them bringing in more of a crowd earlier - ie drinking crowd. i don't really do afterhours anymore and would like to be in a club with the kind of energy jp's crowd brings but not have to wait till 8am for the crowd to get there. (ok i have my own selfish reason) still, i think it's great they're takin out the trash.

lol, i know its long. i never said it wasn't. i said it was a good read and apropos to post in this thread. don't get your panties in a bunch....

t sounds like another one of those classic tales of clubland reinvention: A teenage Persian Jew escapes the Iran of the ayatollahs, comes to America unable to speak English, but nonetheless manages to make a small fortune peddling car stereos, roach clips, and feather earrings. Despite his newfound affluence, he gets turned away from every trendy disco he tries to enter on account of his garish attire. As revenge, he vows to create his own fashionable nightspot, and after a visit to the hair colorist and a trip to a Dolce & Gabbana sample sale, ends up as the power behind four of the biggest Manhattan nightclubs of the moment: Spa, Exit, Capitale, and Estate, as well as the restaurant Butter. David Marvisi may be the new king of New York nightlife, but that title may not mean as much anymore, given the sorry state of the post-Giuliani club scene. The 41-year-old Marvisi (born Homayoun Marvizi) is the mysterious multimillionaire who built a nightlife empire while nobody was looking. While the rest of clubland was preoccupied with the travails of his archrival Peter Gatien, Marvisi quietly rose from the shadows, and all of a sudden he was the most powerful club operator in town, drawing thousands of people to his venues. With a flamboyant lifestyle that automatically attracts attention, Marvisi is famously cheap but also a spendthrift who shells out hundreds of thousands of dollars for big-name DJs like Junior Vasquez and Paul Oakenfold. He drives around in a custom-made orange Bentley, wearing matching orange shoes and shirt, a diamond-encrusted watch hanging from his wrist. The effect that he creates is more Vegas—like Siegfried without Roy—than downtown cool. "I'm the king of the world," he likes to brag, and from the outside at least it might seem that way—a magic-carpet ride to the top and a tribute to the American free-enterprise system. But behind the scenes, Marvisi's fledgling empire is already teetering, beset by money woes caused by the disastrous recent launches of both Estate and Capitale, not to mention the NYPD closure of his most profitable venue, Exit, three weeks ago for drug sales. Add in a rumored FBI interest in his operation and the new Peter Gatien is starting to sound a lot like the old one. (While the bureau's policy is not to comment officially on ongoing investigations, a paid government informant claimed to the Voice that the FBI is curious about Marvisi. In addition, a former top Marvisi employee also said he was recently questioned by a federal agent concerning allegations that the club owner was involved in laundering money. "I know for a fact that the FBI is looking into Marvisi," he said. "They called me a couple of weeks ago.") After initially agreeing to be interviewed by the Voice, Marvisi failed to turn up for a dinner date at Tribeca Grill. He declined repeated requests to reschedule the appointment and didn't respond to written questions. His publicist, Claire O'Connor, subsequently confirmed that her client is aware of stories that the feds are looking into him and added, "I think it's a tragedy in the current climate in which we live that someone who has done so much for New York City both in terms of generating employment and providing entertainment is now being taken to task based on the sour grapes of a few disgruntled former employees." (Of course, the mere existence of an investigation is no proof of any wrongdoing.) Further contributing to Marvisi's woes, his business partners in the stillborn Estate—launched last November but already temporarily shuttered, except for the lucrative Sunday nights, because of a lack of customers the rest of the week—now want him ousted, fearing that a scandal will stain their reputations. "Marvisi is out, that I can promise you," said an important player in the current drama surrounding the old Limelight space. "As far as I'm concerned, Estate will not reopen unless Marvisi is gone. Going into business with David Marvisi was the biggest mistake of my life." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marvisi first sprang to public attention in the mid '90s with Mirage, on West 56th Street. This cavernous disco was truly a twin vista of tackiness, featuring two vast floors of chrome and mirror, a Versace room, and a young Sean "Puffy" Combs as a main party promoter. It was here that disgraced club kid Michael Alig threw his last ever bash before going to jail for manslaughter. Mirage eventually developed into Carbon, a hip-hop spot, which in turn became the more fashionable Exit, which unexpectedly became a raging success. For a while, Marvisi was bringing in buckets full of cash, which was stored in three large walk-in safes in the upstairs offices. In April 2001, news of Marvisi's booming business reached the ears of a crew of Italian gangsters. "They approached him," said the former top aide, "and told him, 'We know you have a lot of problems at the club with drugs, and the police are always busting your balls. If you want the problem fixed, you have to pay us.' There were four of them. One of them told me to get out of the car and showed me a pistol he had in the waistband of his trousers. He said, 'Don't worry, we're not going to hurt you. We just want to talk.' Marvisi told them, 'Fuck you. I'm not paying you anything. I'm going to call the FBI,' and he did. The FBI agents interviewed me and David, but I don't think they believed him because David always exaggerates." "There's no question he has a big set of balls," said another insider, Paul Drohan, the onetime manager of Mirage. "But that same set of balls are about to break him." In extensive interviews with nearly 30 employees, ex-employees, business associates, promoters, and others, conducted mainly on the condition of anonymity, a portrait emerges of Marvisi as a brash and egotistical operator whose pathway to success was paved with a myriad of schemes, big and small, some of them legal, some allegedly not. "He used to get old broken phones and repackage them and get homeless people to sell them on the street—that's a fact," said a longtime associate, who used to go on vacation with the Marvisi family. Joe Pappa, another close aide who worked side by side with Marvisi for many years before being let go, recalled, "I saw him pick up a credit card that someone had dropped at Exit, go to the bar, swipe the card, take a bottle of Cristal, and then drop the card back onto the floor." However, a current employee, William Curran, banquet director for Exit and Spa, painted a different picture, saying, "David has a big heart. He donates his clubs, his time, and his money to raise funds for countless worthwhile causes. David is also very generous with his employees, but he expects them to produce. And if they don't, they're out of there." (Three other employees whom the Voice talked with agreed with Curran's comments.) Marvisi's preferred mode of business is cash. He pays for nearly everything that way—supposedly including his $500,000 orange Bentley, one of three he owns. Promoters are purportedly paid under the table. "I never paid taxes," said one of Exit's former top party planners, who was convicted of minor drug charges. "I was always paid in cash. And that was the case with every other promoter who worked for him. He was paying out $30,000 to $50,000 a week to promoters, and it was all off the books." Two former confidants told the Voice that they regularly accompanied Marvisi on gambling trips to Las Vegas and Atlantic City, where they suspected he was laundering hundreds of thousands of dollars. One said the scheme worked like this: "Say you start out with $300,000 in chips, and you play for a couple of hours, and say you break even. You can now cash out and get a check from the casino for $300,000 made out to you, and it's perfectly legit. Marvisi always loved to get big checks from the casino." (Countered Marvisi's publicist, Claire O'Connor: "Not that I believe this is true, but why would someone take their own money which they earned legitimately, and exchange it for a check if they're going to have to pay taxes on it either way. This makes no sense.") One of the confidants also claimed that he was regularly dispatched from Exit with bags full of cash—hundreds of thousands of dollars in all denominations—to a payroll company in Chelsea where he said he would receive in return checks made out to Marvisi's personal bank account. The same intimate acquaintances also said they believed that a blaze at Spa in early 2000 wasn't accidental. Peridance, a dance studio above the cramped Union Square club, suffered a serious fire that began around four o'clock on a Sunday morning. "The landlord told us that Spa wanted our space," said a Peridance director, who requested his name not be used. "The insurance company thought the fire was suspicious. But nobody could prove anything, so the cause was ruled 'undetermined.' " (Victor Angelillo, at the time a director of the company that owns the building, said, "There was nothing suspicious about that fire. Everybody received their insurance checks. The insurance company would not have paid out if they thought anything criminal happened.") -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The burden of debuting two large-scale, multilevel nightclubs at the same time occupied David Marvisi for most of the latter half of 2002. Capitale, housed in the landmark Bowery Savings Bank, became the subject of controversy after Community Board 2 suspected that Marvisi was trying to dupe them by concocting the ruse of opening a restaurant/catering hall, when what he really planned to do was launch a rowdy disco in the historic space, using Spa's general manager, Margaret "Peggy" Millard (ex-wife of Psychedelic Furs bass player Tim Butler) as a front to get the liquor license. Marvisi's reputation among his Lower East Side neighbors wasn't improved by an incident at Capitale in September when one worker pumped a bullet into the back of another because of an ongoing personal dispute. Following a barrage of complaints from local residents and three stop-work orders, the community board asked the State Liquor Authority to deny Capitale a liquor license. The SLA chose to ignore the board. According to another source, who was until recently an important player in Marvisi's organization, the club owner wasn't worried about community opposition to Capitale because he boasted that he had an official from the mayor's office in his pocket. "He made a statement in front of a group of employees at Capitale that he paid her off with an envelope containing $5000," he said. "I was there when he said it. Who knows if it's true? He bullshits a lot. He's the kind of guy who makes up stories as he goes along." Over in Chelsea, the commotion surrounding the transformation of the Limelight into Estate, housed in another landmark building, was equally intense. Shouting matches between the main business partners—Marvisi, the widely liked John Blair, and 32-year-old real estate tycoon Ben Ashkenazi—were common during the reconstruction period. Initially, Marvisi wasn't even supposed to be part of the deal. But he came on board after he offered the landlord Ashkenazi $400,000 to cover back property taxes owed by the previous owner, Peter Gatien. When Blair, the city's leading gay-party promoter, bought the Limelight (the business, not the building) for $1.1 million in bankruptcy court, he had no idea that Marvisi had cut a side deal with Blair's partner in the Flatiron Group (which also included Ashkenazi's wife, Deborah, Blair's associate Jay Janos, and Russian builder Joseph Klaynberg). When he found out, Blair was furious. For years, Marvisi had tried to lure Blair to work at Exit, but he always refused because of Marvisi's reputation. But Ben Ashkenazi, worried that Blair didn't know how to throw straight parties, insisted that Marvisi remain a part of the project. Marvisi persuaded him that he could turn the club into a runaway hit by bringing in the biggest DJs in the world. "He told Ben that he could remodel the space to become the most prestigious nightclub in New York City," said an Estate insider. "It would become a bottle place, where high-class people would come in and spend $500 a pop on champagne. Ben believed Marvisi because he had two other successful clubs, Spa and Exit, and was about to open another one, Capitale." The cost was $4.5 million to refurbish the old Limelight space. (Ben Ashkenazi put in $3 million, while the rest of the Flatiron partners contributed $1.5 million.) Marvisi was placed in charge of the rebuilding after he underbid Klaynberg, who wanted to refurbish the spot with union construction workers and carpenters. Marvisi convinced Ashkenazi that he could complete the job for half the price. How he was able to do that would later become clear. "Employing Mexicans and paying them off the books wasn't done with either the approval of John Blair or Ashkenazi," said a spokesperson for one of the partners. "They gave the money to Marvisi to reconstruct the place and they had no idea he was hiring illegal immigrants." During the renovation, the carpenters' union put a big inflatable rat outside the club in protest. But after Marvisi took Ashkenazi to the opening of Capitale, where famous fashion model Heidi Klum was throwing a star-studded bash last Halloween, the young developer was hooked. Impressed by the mannequins and celebrities he met there, Ashkenazi returned to the Limelight convinced that Marvisi could turn Estate into a major money-spinner. "Ben came back thinking that Marvisi could walk on water," said the same Estate insider. "It was like he was infatuated with him. Basically Marvisi suckered him. Unlike Marvisi, Ben is not very streetwise. Before meeting Marvisi, he had no experience in the club world. But Ben only has himself to blame. He was warned about Marvisi in advance but he chose to ignore the advice." Serious problems with Marvisi's personality began to emerge as early as Estate's opening night in November, when he got into a heated argument at the front door with the 13th Precinct's cabaret sergeant. The precinct commander had previously visited and said, "This place isn't ready to open. It's unsafe." The sergeant turned up wanting to know how Estate could be open, given his boss's safety concerns. Marvisi became angry because he thought the sergeant was busting his chops, and told him, "You can't touch me because nobody knows who I really am." Marvisi's activities are tough to pin down, perhaps because variations of his name—David H. Marvisi, Homayoun D. Marvisi, Homayoun D. Marzivi —appear on his various driver's licenses. "Marvisi has a big problem with authority," said an eyewitness to the confrontation with the sergeant. "He doesn't like being told what to do, and he doesn't like cops." Marvisi had been previously arrested in 2001 for trespassing in his own club, after Exit was temporarily shut down under the nuisance abatement law because of drug activity. Further trouble ensued in December, when the vice squad paid an unexpected visit to Estate with a WABC camera crew in tow. Former Nassau County homicide detective John Dabrowski, hired by Blair to oversee anti-drug efforts at the disco, had allowed the crew to film the squad doing a walk-through, figuring it would be good publicity for the new venture, in addition to putting them in the good graces of the local cops. One of Marvisi's managers saw them, came running over and said, "This is a David Marvisi club. No one films in here without his permission." This was an unfortunate revelation, since at the time Marvisi's involvement in the club was supposed to be a secret. Much to the embarrassment of the cops, the manager insisted that the news crew shut down their cameras and leave the place straightaway. John Blair was incensed that the cops had been needlessly antagonized. Given the scandal-scarred history of the space, Blair knew it was essential to maintain good relations with the local precinct if he was going to keep the liquor license he and Ashkenazi had spent $300,000 in legal fees getting transferred over from Gatien. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Feb. 7, a Friday night, Exit was once again shut down under the nuisance abatement law because of what the police claimed was extensive drug activity. Undercover narcotics cops posing as clubgoers witnessed numerous illegal transactions and bought drugs there themselves. The police cited the club's record of 170 drug arrests in a three-year period, and Commissioner Ray Kelly told the press, "We are sending a clear message to nightclub owners: If you allow illegal drugs to saturate your business and endanger your patrons, we'll shut you down." But even some of Marvisi's harshest critics admit that he is vehemently anti-drug. "Exit has the tightest security of any disco in town," said one. "He may be an asshole, but he takes every precaution to keep drugs out of Exit. Marvisi has fired top employees for even the inkling that they might be allowing drug dealers into his clubs." Nevertheless, a disco denizen who has worked with both Marvisi and the troubled clubland czar who preceded him, said Marvisi is "another Peter Gatien waiting to happen. Like Peter, he thinks he's above the law. And that's what will bring him down in the end."

your computers ip address gives away a lot of info pal so don't be so quick to think you're invisible. i've seen moderators that have went ahead and posted a users personal info on message boards as a big fuck you to them b/c of things they did, and b/c they thought they were invisible and could never be found out. the level of stupidity of people here is frightening.

DICK?? You see, it doesn't matter what happened. The fact that you would conduct any type of business with someone you don't know boggles the mind. The fact that you would conduct any kind of business with someone you don't know but have interaction with through a DRUG MESSAGE BOARD is hysterical. I would love to hear what exactly happened. Now if you don't tell me, I'll assume that since because of your deep routed friendship with someone you don't know that you interact with in a drug message board, it was something to do with drugs or something illegal. Not for nothing, you're lucky all you lost was a few bucks. If you were doing something illegal, you're lucky you didn't get arrested or something worse like getting lured into something where physical harm might come your way. Smarten up pal.

how do i say this nicely. you're a fucking idiot.......... serves you right. waaaaa, i can't believe i got screwed by someone i never met but am a message board aquaintence. can you really be that stupid?? i'm going to change my screen name to jesus christ and will heal you if you send me 5 thousand dollars. trust me, send the money first, and i promise to cure you of your unbelieveable stupidity. holy shit this just made my day. hahahahahahahaha :laugh: :laugh: ps: since you're obviously not the sharpest crayon in the box, if you're going to get involved with drugs in the first place, please stick a post it on your refridgerator so you don't forget that it's a dirty, shady, illegal business in the first place.

i was just going to comment that this is why we are in these current state of affairs... it's the mentality of the majority of people out there that is really frightening. you make a completly valid, well thought out, educated statement which i whole heartedly agree with and look what happens. we end talking about the middle east. wtf??? people say how ohh this sucks and ny sucks and come party in nj where we don't have raids. (not yet or as on a big of a scale you don't) b/c you don't have afterhours. why take tina when the club closes at 2??? very simply put: drugs are illegal. the police enforce the law. deal with it.... if jp wants to run a successful business he should nix afterhours and have crobar hrs. close at 6 or 7. he'll still draw his crowd (because after all they're all there for the music right...) he'll make more money in liquor sales while still raking it in at the door. probably get some of his older fans back (just a perk) and hopefully take the heat off.

I WANT MY OWN POST TO RANT. lets just get something straight here. yes there were only a FEW losers who od'd and g'd out. one of which i saw drop while i was waiting to get my coat at around 6ish. fuckin disgusting i tell ya!!! however there were soooooooooooooo many fucking stupid little druggie kids buying and selling drugs all over the place. it was blatant to me and i was their having fun, not someone ie undercover cop who was there to really observe. i saw plenty of these irresponsible kids doing bumps in the open. i saw a few get caught. i noticed plain clothed people in the crowd signal to others when they saw something happen and then saw the plain clothed calvalry come in. its this blatant stupidity from people, not only going overboard with drugs and od'ing, but being so fucking blatantly obvious about what they do and where they do it that this party is doomed to fail. NYC NIGHTLIFE IS FAR FROM DEAD. there are so many new, clean establishments bringing in some of the best talent the industry has to offer. Sadly, it is JP"s crowd that seems to be braindead and giving the entire scene an even more tarnished reputation then it already had. Thanks to increased media coverage and print articles the public will have more then just cause for concern, perhaps fueling the campaign for a 1am close for nyc nightlife. After all that has gone on within the past year with the crackdown of RAMPANT drug use in SF and Exit, if you didn't think that black wasn't going to be riddled with security and police, you deserve to be arrested for your stupidity and for contributing to the demise of a venue where the rest of us could go to listen to a dj that we have loved for years. it is this stupidity and ignorance that unfortunatley follows jp everywhere he goes. maybe we can thank rg and sf's look the other way policiy for the last 7 yrs that most certainly encouraged this type of behvior. maybe we can blame jp for spinning 15-27 hour sets that only a person consuming some kind of substance could last though. in the end, it is us, the club goer, who is to blame. nobody is holding a gun to your head to take drugs. nobody is making you sell them. nobody is making you do as many bumps of whatever you can stick up your nose right in the middle of a club. people bitch about the lack of respect for jp and the lack of respect for the club and "the scene". well i have news for all you kids out there. the scene is only as good as the people in it! these kids that follow jp can't even respect themselves and their own bodies as evidenced by the continued use of ghb that WILL kill you if you take what you usually dont realize is too much. there are places to go with good people, good vibes, great music that are full of people who go out to dance, be social, have fun and meet some new people. its too bad that jp's crowd are none of the above. i'm old, i've had my time. i've been a jp fan since most of you were riding around in your bigwheels. i'm just sad to see demise of a great unique ny dj because of the immaturity and irresponsibility of MOST, not all, of his crowd. My 5 bucks and prob my longest post ever. Thank you. Bionic aka Bulletproof

I WANT MY OWN POST TO RANT. lets just get something straight here. yes there were only a FEW losers who od'd and g'd out. one of which i saw drop while i was waiting to get my coat at around 6ish. fuckin disgusting i tell ya!!! however there were soooooooooooooo many fucking stupid little druggie kids buying and selling drugs all over the place. it was blatant to me and i was their having fun, not someone ie undercover cop who was there to really observe. i saw plenty of these irresponsible kids doing bumps in the open. i saw a few get caught. i noticed plain clothed people in the crowd signal to others when they saw something happen and then saw the plain clothed calvalry come in. its this blatant stupidity from people, not only going overboard with drugs and od'ing, but being so fucking blatantly obvious about what they do and where they do it that this party is doomed to fail. NYC NIGHTLIFE IS FAR FROM DEAD. there are so many new, clean establishments bringing in some of the best talent the industry has to offer. Sadly, it is JP"s crowd that seems to be braindead and giving the entire scene an even more tarnished reputation then it already had. Thanks to increased media coverage and print articles the public will have more then just cause for concern, perhaps fueling the campaign for a 1am close for nyc nightlife. After all that has gone on within the past year with the crackdown of RAMPANT drug use in SF and Exit, if you didn't think that black wasn't going to be riddled with security and police, you deserve to be arrested for your stupidity and for contributing to the demise of a venue where the rest of us could go to listen to a dj that we have loved for years. it is this stupidity and ignorance that unfortunatley follows jp everywhere he goes. maybe we can thank rg and sf's look the other way policiy for the last 7 yrs that most certainly encouraged this type of behvior. maybe we can blame jp for spinning 15-27 hour sets that only a person consuming some kind of substance could last though. in the end, it is us, the club goer, who is to blame. nobody is holding a gun to your head to take drugs. nobody is making you sell them. nobody is making you do as many bumps of whatever you can stick up your nose right in the middle of a club. people bitch about the lack of respect for jp and the lack of respect for the club and "the scene". well i have news for all you kids out there. the scene is only as good as the people in it! these kids that follow jp can't even respect themselves and their own bodies as evidenced by the continued use of ghb that WILL kill you if you take what you usually dont realize is too much. there are places to go with good people, good vibes, great music that are full of people who go out to dance, be social, have fun and meet some new people. its too bad that jp's crowd are none of the above. i'm old, i've had my time. i've been a jp fan since most of you were riding around in your bigwheels. i'm just sad to see demise of a great unique ny dj because of the immaturity and irresponsibility of MOST, not all, of his crowd. My 5 bucks and prob my longest post ever. Thank you. Bionic aka Bulletproof