mtmartin

When vinyl was the main format, how many artist albums/producer went platinum IF ANY? the community doesn't support it! point blank this is CLUB music that wea re talking about... LOOKING AT THE BIG PIC. the percentage of people that are going out tonight and hunting down that dope peace division records is extremely small don't you think? unless they are djs of course...but "civilians" LOL just don't give a fuck about it ENOUGH TO MAKE IT APPEALING ON A MASS LEVEL.... I don't see the p2p obliviating the house scene... LACK OF GENERAL AUDIENCE WILL NOT EXPOSING IT TO A YOUNGER GENERATION WILL otherwise we better be content with playing the bedroom dj or "look at this cool record i got" game

a friend of mine is a hip-hop / r&B dj and hardly buys any of his own music. i'm sure as he does it there are thousands who do the same thing yet it doesn't seem to bother the hip-hop "establishment" so i say it's a marketing problem and the consumer not being able to relate to this instrumental, sample driven music. there aren't any proper artists presented to us as consumers therefore we have nothing to relate to.... 2 b cont'd

bring it back bring it back bring it back to meaaah.... the "artist" needs to re-appear!!!!!

Great repsonse as you touched on some points that i forgot to mention. Pricey cover charges def. have an impact as do the marketing strategies clubs use in promoting their events & parties. AS WE'VE ALREADY SEEN, big clubs' strongest night are friday & saturday so to admit an 18+ crowd wouldn't be beneficial to their bar but in general would help fill up a club, generate door profit, coat check, etc. there was a time when large scale clubs were open 7 days a week, there aren't enough clubbers and people interested in music period to go around. Passed by avalon on wednesday night and the area was absolutely dead... god only knows the chaos that went on in the streets years ago in that area...it was better than what went on on the weekend. You know nyc nightlife isn't healthy when the weekend parties are often what people look forward to instead of the WEEKDAY parties... Growing up, the majority of the clubs/parties were 18+. Youth drove the movement not professionals with careers spending money at the bar. There was alot more interest in the money coming in from door profits/entrance fees. We need to fill up the basket with alot more eggs so that there will be more to choose from. Marketing is KEY! clubs/nightlife culture isn't marketed the correct way. When I was coming up there even less marketing for clubs because it was 'fresh' , 'underground' , etc. We've got some improving to do...

Forgive my ignorance and lack of research but is there a law against letting a 18+ crowds into NYC clubs?? other than having legitimate ID and not being able to drink at the bar without having 21+ ID what is stopping NYC clubs from letting in a 18+ crowd. Yes the younsters do act like assholes sometimes but so do the 40 year olds... IT WILL BE a great thing for house music if crowds 18+ are exposed to HOUSE music....djs like frankie knuckles, danny krivit, Louie Vega, DanNy tenaglia don't really have a STRONG following of people UNDER 25 YEARS OF AGE... scary eh? I honestly don't see young crowds excited about anything other than hip-hop, indie rock... and just like they are being spoon-fed that stuff they can be spoon-fed other genres old and new....

we need more 18+ parties!!

BUsy in that studio, huH? Feeling this!

This sounds good, will prolly hit this before hitting the sin sin afterhours. Alex Pearce is getting some well deserved attention.

true, that's totally illogical if you are risking your equipment like that. I hope vinyl stays around but you even get 10 new records for $100 anymore. wtf!!!??? a dj plays their records for an average 5min. a piece... so for $100 you're usually not even getting an hours worth of music....no wonder the 2 hour dj set exists, lol

I said the same thing when the cd thing became popular but a proper club with any respect for the djs they are bringing will have a back-up. most of these small establishments could really care less about the equipement and buy any cheap rinky dink dual cd player and say they are open for business. no piece of equipment is 100% fail safe. if the amps aren't heating up, the speakers blowing and cracking, the needles worn out, the rubber bands too loose or too tight on the floating TTs, the turntables not calibrated, or the cdj going on the blink there could always be somehthing that goes wrong and you are gonna have to figure it out as you go along. the important part is that you djs out there ask what you are going to play on before you accept a gig. pioneer cdjs look they will be here fro some time and are the industry standard right now, ask for them, ask that the people you play for take their equipment seriously...if you're playing for a hundred bucks and drink tix it's the least they could do!!!! I've said it once, i'll say it 100x if you don't yourself as a professional you will not be treated as one....by the looks of it it will be some time before the lot of you djs out there take yourselves seriously...until then you are going to be seen as a low commodity that can be replaced with a phone call and can be paid with a few drinks and a bump or two.

You stated some logical points and i agree with you but there are a few things that you left out which really play a important part of this whole debate >>> money, cost, income vinyl as you know costs alot these days. $10.99-$13.99 (if you are playing cutting-edge music you most likely are buying imports) + tax., shipping + handling (if you don't have a vinyl shop close to you. now, reality dictates that you are most likely going to be playing one (1) of the tracks on that import and pay attention to the other crap on that import vs. going online and listening to & buying the exact mix that you like for $.99- $3.99 how much does your get paid to play a gig without being part of the promotions team and spending all week going out promoting? $50.00 - $300.00 do the math, and you forgot to eat, pay your electric bill, rent, etc. without writing an essay it's just makes sense to go digital.... i'm not defending digital, i don't care for it personally but convinience, efficiantcy, and low cost will usually win out all other options even if we lose a few things along the way. how many vinyl record stores have survived in nyc? it's sad!

can't go wrong with tedd patterson!

there is no battle, never was...don't believe the hype!

look at who involves themselves, encourages and consistantly contributes nothing but negativity with all their silly posts and you'll know to avoid.... but let them know too much or you'll be asked to "post a pic"! LOL

What does this site have to do with the people that owned and marketed TWILO? or is this just copyright infringement?

http://www.cet.co.yu/arhiva/27/pics/r27_ShutDown98001.gif me @ the shut down event

spare me papi, it simple enough to read between your lines and say that you simply trying to call me out let alone to tell you that i never even mentioned how, when, where djing started. read my post again please. and if you were in diapers or not even conceived yet when any of these clubs were around then don't repeat to me what you read somewhere. next time don't come for me before talking to people who were actually there. have a blessed day

LET IT GOOOOO.... coming from a female who attended the gayrage only 12 times in her life (thank you for letting me in jose!) between 1984-85 i can tell you that it was the original birthplace of modern djing and djing techniques... i am totally offended when i hear old garage heads hate on other genres because they are stuck in the past!!! I'm sure larry would be offended to know how some of these old heads are always comparing parties, saying how no one parties like at the garage. Larry played whatever the fuck he felt like playing. gospel, rock, house, disco, he did tell a story with his music but he LOVED MUSIC and you could tell he always kept an open mind towards it, accepting tracks for what they were...MUSIC. garage heads are tired because they don't keep the spirit of what the garage was truly about...music, humanity and trying to escape reality on a saturday night and touch on the emotions that make us LOVE ONE ANOTHER! Sure, no one knows how much they thought they've invented if they weren't at the garage....acapellas, a dj laying down his own music, the remix, the re-edit, efx over records, the segway, a dj that joins in on the fun on the dancefloor.... larry wasn't perfect AT ALL! his mixes would fall off now and again but it's what he presented as a whole that mattered. it was a great experience but let's not live in the past let's looks towards the future and create something better than the garage...and if you say it can't be done then i'd consider calling you a nitwit!

no offense but that's a terrible guess...Krivit's crowd isn't anywhere remotely close to what pacha is trying to pull with their image, music or whatever else IN NYC that is... he might fit the bill for something at the other pacha clubs around the world...but right now it's sadly about money and how much money you can bring in... krivit is quality not $$

So what if danny turned down eric to play at pacha...he's going to wait and see how it turns out...danny is in a position where he can choose where to and where to NOT play. i'm sure he has logical reasons why, reasons that benefit his interests and not yours, he's a dj not jesus fucking haters.......yo

I see no one is getting the bigger picture... you play your music at whatever speed you want...I was addressing the fact that alot of the music coming out now is a bit slower. Producers that have been producing faster bpm tracks in the past have for some reason slowed down the pace a bit. For me is a good thing but for others it is not, it's all good. One current sub-genre we can thank for this is "electro" . Most people don't dig it if it's bpm is too fast. TO EACH HIS OWN.....Live on

i know i know post a pic.

126BPM is the new 134BPM!

admission into pacha = $40 keeping tabs on how people spell on a meaningless messageboard where no really cares how you spell = priceless!

must i list the looooong list of clubs, songs, and other crap that at one point was held to be "undergound" but then it was POPularized and no longer held to be "underground" underground is "underground" for only a matter of time....it's not a place, a way to act or anything...mostly it's a figment of your imagination.