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manichaeism, there is a new word... but seriously, take any artist or producer, tell him to make a track, and that the DJ will play it on the radio, and hundreds of people will be able to hear it... but sadly, the people who hear it will never be able to find out who made it or who is on it.... yet, the radio station and the DJ will get all the credit and money... see what they say... they would think they probably say, where do I sign up, for manichaeism 101...

I am not whining, just pointing out that the dance music genre truly is anti-producer. it doesn't make any sense when you say that a DJ didn't spend enough time listening through records, there for labeling them anti-producer, and at the same time defending the fact that when another DJ does find a track, doesn't give out the name or who made it. a Dj should not keep a track secret. Its plain selfishness. When a DJ doesn't give out the name of a track, it shows they are insecure about their skills or insecure about some aspect of their Djing in general. its even worse if a DJ doesn't let another DJ know the track ID, because its the DJs job to help promote for the music and the genre in general, and the only people who can really do this, are other DJs. So basically what it comes down to, if a DJ doesn't give out the ID of a track, they are selling out on the genre and the person who made that track..... You can say its about a Djing having a secret weapon for the dance floor, but it doesnt work. Imagine if you made a track, heard it in a club, it had the floor going crazy and asked the DJ, "hey where did you get this", and you were shunned by the DJ......

paying acap? this is new.... first off, you going on the assumption that every record cut and played is register with ASCAP, it this is just not the case. why are you favoring one society over another? I am just curious as if someone registered all their works with BMI, they would not see 1 cent of all this money supposedly going to them.. there is this huge debate on which society is better to have your work register under. another thing I am surprised nobody has mentioned is the mixed CD. with all these people downloading whole tracks, nobody is buying mixed CD's. This causes an even bigger problem with the marketing of dance music as no major labels are going to want to release any form of marketable media to the masses in a mixed CD form... with all the people downloading, whos going to feel the need to buy a mixed cd, when they have the whole tracks on their Ipod. also, sales can help. it depends on how your deal is cut. Your bot going to signed to a major label, so the packages cost that have ripped off artist for years is bypassed, with digital downloads, more money then on vinyl because if you are your own business, there is no one else to pay.

it makes no sense. today in hip hop, you hear a song, you might like the lyrics alot, but with out the beat, the song is lifeless. so, many people ask, that shit is fire, WHO MADE THAT BEAT? It works in 2 ways, 1) the artist needs a beat to rhyme over, and 2) the producer needs someone to put on his beat. Peanut butter and jelly. The artist makes the beat hot by rhyming over, he gets credit for the rhymes and the producer(hopefully) gets credit for his production. that way other artist can come to that producer and ask them to make beats for them.... same way in dance, 1) the DJ needs music to play, and 2) the producer needs to get his track heard... Am I missing something here? How is it NOT player hating, if you have a good track and dont want to promote it? Correct me if I am wrong, but shouldn't you be morally and ethically responsible for helping this producer get their track heard,and... oh..shit, GOD FORBID!! actually have the producer make SOME money in sales for his production work? Its bad enough that producers in dance music are already working in a niche and fragmented market, but we have DJ's who dont want to help promote a record the right way!!! Am I missing something here?

no! a DJ's secret weapon should be their OWN remixes, not someone elses... how should DJ's keep their edge, by making their OWN remixes! Thats cutting edge, cutting edge is NOT playing other peoples music, and hiding it, thats selfish! my whole thought on the dance genre has changed now that I do more production work. Especially in hip hop, where I have given out my beats, only for it to be copied and then I heard this other kid saying HE made the beat, to impress his friends, girl or what ever. I feel that if a DJ is playing a mix, and hiding it, how is that any different from someone taking someone elses music and claiming it as theirs???? before I got into production I use to hide the names of tracks when I DJed. Even people I was close with I never gave them or told them what it was... if they wanted it, I could make them a mixed CD.. there u have it now, leave me alone. but that is selfish, because who makes music just for one person, or certain Dj's? maybe a producer among the an elite circle, but in general, if a record is out, its released, and how many great producers have made tracks only for the DJ to selfishly hide the name and producer who made it? If you want to stay cutting edge, IMHO make your own beats! Dont player hate on others!

it still doesnt make sense. Some producer makes a bomb track.... and a DJ gets it, plays it, but hides who make it.... this is Anti-producer. Did the producer produce that track so its name and the person who created it would be hidden? Its like me putting together a DJ mixed CD, and just putting my name on it, no track listing to give credits for the song or producer. Its like, where would snoop dog be without Dr. Dre? My whole point is, unless that producer produced a track PERSONALLY for a certain DJ, how can a DJ, who is basically just playing other peoples music, be selfish and "hide" the track? lets not get into the "famous" DJ's. Jonathan Peters, Junior Vasquez, Danny T, Vicious,ect,ect... these Dj's and such have paid their dues and then some. What I always here about are these "up and coming" DJ's, these "new talent". Lets keep it locally for a second. What up and coming DJ's are doing production work like that, on their level? They have a chance to be dropping their own remakes, remixes,ect,ect, at the clubs, but I havent heard any real buzz about some DJ's new remix. Me personally, if I was Djing somewhere on a weekly basis, I would be sure that ever week, be it friday or saturday, that I would drop at least 1 remix of mine at the club, and see how the floor reacts. and being shady about playing other peoples music and hiding who made it, is a slap in the face to the producer who made it. IMHO, if you want to hide something, let it be your own remix. because the person who made that bomb track, wants to get known....think about it.

take this example... there are people out there who dont DJ, yet probably have more music on their hard drives then some DJ's. The thing that irks me is, these people want, need, and have to have the lastest tracks, or what ever the DJ played at the club, yet they wont pay 1 dollar to ever download a track. the problem as to why hip hop is more popular then dance TODAY is because dance has lost its marketability.. you dont think the labels know, that people download? They are not going to pay anyone to do it, because its just not marketable.... its downloadable. so basically dance music is a dead genre. The death of dance music is true, it has happened. sure, people will always make dance, but I notice the lack of quality music these days as compared to the pre-downloading days.

interesting statement....

problem is, you need music to dance, and if people aint making it.....

crazy as hell, people in america wouldnt know how to act.

Ok, I am pretty sure we have all been there. You hear a good track in a DJ set, go to the booth, ask the DJ, hear a mix online, ask the DJ, only not to get a response... almost like the DJ doesnt want to many people to find out the name of a track... Is this bad, when the people MAKING and PRODUCING the music are not getting the fame, while the people just PLAYING the music are getting all the fame?

here is an interesting twist on the whole vinyl is dead debate... for dance music to survive in this age of P2P programs, doesnt it need to be in the digital form? Vinyl sales alone can not keep the genre alive, but digital downloads can.

It is true that hip hop is a more violent genre then house. But the bottom line is, its more popular. People in the society like things with violence. Violence sells. Big asses shaking around sell.

seems to work with hip hop... maybe dance should follow the same formula... for one, if people who liked dance/house back in the late 1990's and go out and dont hear songs they are familiar with, guess what happens... they go to a place where they do... hence, hip hop parties...

this was an industry party. drama, this could be hip hop beef.

honestly, pacha is cool, but unless they do something TO bring a crowd there like open bar, nobody is gonna go.... its still known as the SF among many people I know... I went there, and people were like, why you going to soundfactory.... I dont understand how erick morrillo is gonna be a resident and be able to bring in numbers.... maybe I am wrong, but I dont remember morrilo doing 4,000 people every week in NY ever.... hey, things change though.

yeah, this is true... I think this is the reason why we have seen a decline in what we call classics... how can a song become a classic if it doesnt get its proper "club only" play for at least a month. What I mean is, when a hot song gets played, and nobody has it, it makes it more special then if that song could be downloaded the next morning.

well I guess it does depend on the DJ, but I find, speaking in terms of "in general" that most DJ's only play newer stuff, and hardly ever mix in older songs, with newer songs. Like I hear the term "classic nights" alot these days, and its kind of weird... I am just comparing it in a broad sense, vs hip hop, where you can hear stuff from 10 years ago, mixed it with the newest... no what I mean?

why, when compared to the hip hop genre, is EDM so anti-old music, anti-classics? For example, in hip hop clubs, you will hear new tracks, and also some old tracks, classics mixed in... why, in dance music , must we have "classic nights"?? why cant classics be mixed in with new music? this makes no sense to me, and I feel this is the reason why EDM has died off. Is EDM so much of a boring genre that we must hear new tracks all the time? Is an old record, nothing more then an old record? I like when I go out to hip hop parties, and hear an old record I havent heard, or when I listen to the old school at noon, I am like, oh shit, thats hot, I havent heard that in a minute. Are Dj's scared to play that old track, because its old?

I was wondering the same thing, if they got "free stuff" to say these wonderful things about pioneer. Thats another story... maybe you can tell the difference between vinyl and cd, but did you know vinyl loses sound quality after ever single play? So after you play it, it loses this sound quality, digital doesnt. People have been and will argue this for years. vinyl does sound better, but I dont think I could tell the difference in a club. Maybe, yes, maybe no.... but I never really sat there and listened that hard, I usually have a couple drinks in me. if 4,000 people go to a club, how many of them are really going to be able to tell the difference? And intoxicated they wont be able to tell either.

I dont know if your an audiophile, but I personally can not tell in a club, with a couple of drinks in me, if the DJ is playing CD or Vinyl. This argument is over rated if you ask me. Unless you can go to a club, sit there with you eyes closed, and be able to tell me, DJ is playing vinyl now, and he just mixed in a CD, nows he's playing vinyl again.... come on now... seriously. and FYI The following are comments made by the world's top DJs about Pioneer product. They can be found in the newest DJ Magazine's Top 100 DJs issue available on news stands now. Rank Name Quote 02 - Tiesto - "I've moved totally to CDs this year - vinyl is dead" 05 - Ferry Corsten - ...."I've pretty much switched to CDs" 08 - Deep Dish - "We're touring with a bank of Pioneer equipment and toying with Ableton" 10 - Carl Cox - "I have changed over to using three Pioneer CD players, EFX-1000 and a Cycloops sample machine and can now remix music and create more of my own sound live while I'm playing" 13 - James Zabiela - "I'll do loops/editing on the CDJs and the EFX-1000, sometimes with a loop grabber too." 16 - Marco V - "I've started using the Pioneer DVD players, which is a fantastic way to make the visuals really fit into the tracks" 17 - Eddie Halliwell - I've been using the Pioneer 909 and doing my own re-edits and tools" 20 - Sander Kleinenberg - "I'm incorporating DVJ and imagery into my sets" 22 - Benny Benassi - "I'm fond of Pioneer stuff, their CD players, mixers, new FX rack. I like to remix tracks that were not originally club tracks, to be more original if I can" 26 - Infected Mushroom - "Using the CDJ-1000s and laptops for remixing on the road" 30 - Steve Lawler - "Last September I converted entirely to CDs. So I'm using the CDJ-1000 along with the Pioneer EFX-1000. It's changed the whole way a DJ can mix, you can basically re-edit and remix tracks on the fly" 40 - DJ Vibe - "Besides the EFX-1000 / EFX-500 units and C-Loops sampler, nothing at the moment" 42 - Bad Boy Bill - "I'm taking it more digital and visual with Pioneer CDJs and DVJs" 46 - Andy Moor - "I use Pioneer CDJ-1000s and FX from a laptop. To keep it visually entertaining. I'm creating a custom FX unit to control the laptop FX whilst mixing on the CDJs" 48 - Ricky Stone - "I'm now 100% digital. I really love the Pioneer CDJ-1000s. I do have Ableton at home but doubt I'll use it in a club environment just yet" 64 - Jeff Mills - I'm using the Pioneer DVJ-X1, but the most important thing is that people have a good time" 'Source: DJ Magazine Top 100 DJs 2005'. http://www.djmag.com

they do the same thing, beat match and such... its really not that serious. track selection is important then what you use.

its not about going platnium its about the so called death of dance music so many people talk about. alex mayers made a good point. http://jjazproject.brinkster.net/archive/digital.asp During the early-mid 1990s, club-goers and radio-mix-show-listeners would hear unreleased tracks months, even up to a year before they saw a release. Even a large majority of the material that was released was so underground that most people wouldn’t know where to find it. They would have to pick out specific identifying qualities of the track in an effort to track it down (“oh, you know, that track with the Elmo-sounding voice on it!†or “it sounded like a male vocal, but maybe it had been pitched way, wayy down – I don’t even know!!â€). Today, after dancing to a record in a club, you can get home as the sun is rising, flip on your computer, connect to your favorite file-sharing program and, without much difficulty, find and download that track. But the process of producing and releasing records hasn’t quite caught up to that speed yet. By the time a record sees a proper release, people have already been dancing to it in the clubs, hearing it in online DJ mixes and downloading it to their iPods for the past six months. At this point, very few people really feel the need to actually buy that record to support the label and the artist and to ensure that the quality music they love will continue to be available. now I remember going to sound factory in the late 1990's and hearing songs that me and my friends would go crazy trying to find out the names of......., I even had a friend who actually tried to called Sound factory to find out the name of a song..true story! Those were the better days! the fact is that now, that thrill is gone, because that song can be downloaded by alot of people, shared, and basically its life span has been cut short. All of a sudden, dance music seems so boring....

it is the people downloading... look at it this way. dance is a small market. You have all these "music fans" that GOTTA have the newest shit. BY ALL MEANS NECESSARY they go on their file sharing P2P programs, and download all this dance stuff. They gotta have it, but they wont buy it... take downloading away from them, and what are they going to do? Buy mixed DJ cd's... Now, how is this not hurting the genre? For one, the music becomes stale. A good track, becomes played out quick because everybody has already got it... it plays in the club, and its like, yeah, I got this on my ipod.... also, these same people want music, yet they dont want to support the small market of producers who make it. like I said, its not a problem when only DJ buy music, its a problem when the music fans DONT buy the music and download instead. hip hop gets their money from shows, alot of radio play,ect,ect... a dance producer cant make money like that unless they DJ also.

problem is DJ are buying the music, and the music fans arent buying it, they are stealing it by downloading it, and stuff