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yet another loss for NYC.... I wasnt there, but from the reviews I been hearing, I just dont get it... for one, how are you gonna not check ID's? Or pat people down? I mean, a suicide bomber could walk in there with that kind of shit, or someone with a gun or what ever. I just dont understand, it makes no sense. maybe someone can explain the logic behind opening up a club in a former drug spot, with its history and then give every reason for cops to shut the place down....

erhamm, you joined in 2003, just wondering why you almost 2 years to finally post anyways, I get tried of listening to ALL dance music or ALL hip hop ALL of the time. its good to take a break, and you never know, you might walk inot the hip hop room and hear some old school classics... she keeps on passin me by....

hip hop room was VIP on the fourth floor also erhamm Newbie Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1 welcome to the board! lol

anything thats open on the same night, is going to be competition.

its sucks because stereotypes like this makes people hate the music, when both genres have good music to offer. I myself like listening to producing both hip hop and dance.

hip hop has changed. Its not really about lyricism anymore really, its more club type songs nowadays. there still is good hip hop out there, but most of whats popular is club type songs. Bellydancer, Shake by pitbull, ect,ect. Can you listen to these songs like you did to hip hop back in 1995? Of course not, its a different style and different era. a majority of people who go out these days, prefer to listen to hip hop over dance music while in clubs these days though, thats a fact. They refer to almost any dance song as "techno" like yeah, "they have a techno room". Or the DJ is playing techno If you try to explain house, tribal, or trance sub genre to them, they wont understand.

hip hop is where its at these days...

lol I dont know, now that I think about it..... I mean, I am getting older and shit. To go back up in a place where I use to go when I was like 18-21 years of age..... might be a little weird for me... its like, ok, Im older now and SF is now called Pasha...

ill go when they have a DJ that makes me what to go, as of now, its more hype then music, all these threads about pasha, and I dont even know who's Djing... sad

I think you miss understood, I didn't mean they sold out, like they are sellouts, I mean while they were sellING out different venues around the world. NY is world famous for its sound, be it hip hop or house. But its like, these days, you hear more southern rap on the radio.... and these days, you hear more euro stuff in clubs and more euro , but there is a grumbling amongst die hard NY fans for both hip hop and house, that are saying, whats going on here? and just about all the classics I named are made by NY producers Thats the way love is, kiss you all over - johnny vicious life me up- jonathan peters temperamental - hex hector That look - hani.... Like 4 years ago when I was more into Djing, I Djed an after hours party in LA, and I dropped these Ny records, and people were BUGGIN, they were like wow, whats the name of that record! It made me feel proud to be from NY and actually have these vinyl records and be playing them in LA.

I dont know about everyone else, but my classic songs, the shit i play that I still love and can never get tired off... Thats the way love is, Temperamental, That Look, I wanna Kiss you all over, Lift me up, Rain by brainbug,ect,ect.... this is NY production, this is NY to me. These are my classics... When I move away from NY and go else where in america or the world, these are the songs thats gonna make me remind me of MY NY. I could go on for pages for both NY produced house OR hip hop. Erick Morrillo has never created anything for me that I like.... niether has Junior Sanchez. Carl Cox, nope. Tesitos, nope. yet, this is what I am being forced fed now. yet these DJ's are always put on the top of the list. I could careless. Like I said, I respect a DJ more that holds down NY and creates classics. these reason they go no love at home, is because just that, they arent loved at home, because they do nothing for home. To me, yeah they are famous, and high on the list, but they haven't done anything, but come back and try to take NY after they have been selling out all over the world, and open up a club, where they are gonna have hot or not contest, $300 bottles of liquor, showers, and claim this is the new era. fuck u, get the fuck out of my NY with that bullshit.

or an old one....

took a jab at the old SF while he was at it too....

great points. And from what I just read in the Pasha Post article here http://bbs.clubplanet.com/showthread.php?t=290768 sadly, pasha is just going to be another hot spot... something like $300 bottles of alcohol, a locker where you can store it and come back a week later, hot or not contests, showers, and other strange things that I have never heard of before..... all this stuff, what about the music? It seems like its gearing towards a certain crowd, and not music lovers... I myself dont care, the only thing I dont like is these overrated euro Dj's coming to NYC like the are above every other american DJ, and the crowds think this.

well here is the article from the NY post about posha.. December 7, 2005 -- Dancers in bikinis gyrate in two glass-enclosed showers overlooking the dance floor. The bartender juggles four bottles of liquor at once, and pours a dozen shots in glasses he cradles in his arm. Waitresses serve drinks wearing nothing more than body paint. Welcome to New York's wildest new nightclub: Pacha. The size of a parking garage, Pacha New York — which opens to a select audience of celebrities and models tonight — took eight months and more than $3 million to construct. The club, across the West Side Highway from the In trepid, has four levels, including a top-floor VVIP (very, very important people) area where stars such as Diddy and Mischa Barton will survey the rabble below. Although this is the first Pacha club to open in North America, the franchise is famous worldwide. Owner Ricardo Urgell founded the first Pacha in Spain in 1967 and his empire now includes 25 nightclubs, including one on a private island off Brazil. He also owns a hotel, a record label and a magazine. Pacha's most infamous dance floor is on Ibiza, an island it transformed into a tourist hotspot. That club also fueled the careers of DJs like Fatboy Slim and Erick Morillo, who, after 14 summers spinning at Pacha Ibiza, is the co-owner of the New York franchise. Morillo says the local version will inherit the chain's hedonism, and that its size — it has a 2,700-person capacity — will make it stand out in New York. Also standing out are dancers like Jennifer Libran and Jay Gallegos, who are paid to writhe under showers while clubgoers watch from a nearby seating area. Visitors can join in if they pass the hot-or-not test with the floor staff, and are lent Pacha-branded bikinis for the occasion. Libran and Gallegos were part of the "talent" auditioned at the club weeks ago, in which 1,500 people tried out to be waitresses alone — and 75 were chosen. The winners include 22-year old waitresses Takinya and Cipriani Quann — formerly Doublemint twins. Now, they're thrilled to double their customers' pleasure with $300-plus liquor bottles. General manager Steven Hernandez said Pacha is more a series of lounges than a traditional megaclub. "Clubs like Sound Factory had a cold, industrial feel. That era's gone," he said, likening Pacha's four floors to "festive restaurants you only see abroad."

Why is there so much hate towards posha? I mean, I could careless, but if you posting that the NYPD shuts it down, and it does, isn't that just another loss for NYC nightlife in the ongoing shutdown of its nightlife?

Standford, Havard, Fordham, just to name a few... http://www.fordham.edu/Campus_Resources/Public_Affairs/Inside_Fordham/Inside_Fordham_Archi/December_2002/In_Focus_Faculty__Re/New_Course_Examines__9914.html “The course is designed to examine how the sensibility and musical creativity of urban youth, in two very different historical periods, inspired the musical revolutions that transformed the tastes of entire generations, crossing race, gender and class boundaries,†said the course’s instructor, Mark D. Naison, Ph.D., professor of African and African American studies and director of the Urban Studies Program at Fordham. Unlike rock, which was the product of the postwar economic boom, hip hop grew out of the depressed socioeconomic conditions in the South Bronx in the mid-1970s, when rappers came together with DJs, graffiti artists and break dancers to establish the main elements of hip-hop culture. Pioneers like Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five; classic groups like Run-D.M.C. and Public Enemy; and contemporary artists like Snoop Dogg, the Roots, Missy Elliott and others are heard and discussed in Keating Hall’s third-floor auditorium. Some might look with skepticism on college hip-hop courses, but Fordham is not alone in taking a serious scholarly approach to the genre. In recent years, universities like Stanford and Harvard have done the same, turning hip hop’s street credibility into a field of study worthy of academic credit.

Well, for one, many universities have started having actual classes on the history of hip hop. So, it has come a long way, even more so then dance culture. I am sorry, there is just no denying this. If it didn't bridge or break any kind of social barriers, I am not sure schools would be offering classes on this topic.. I never said that racism was gone, and it doesn't exists. I said its helped tear down the wall. racism will never be gone in america.but today, you see ALOT more interracial dating going on, then you would have 20 years ago. also, hip hop is a hell of alot more popular then dance music today. I dont understand the whole medel detectors comment. You hear hip hop being played in clubs these days more then dance. and trust me I know racism exists, I live in the most segregated county in america.

how can I love dance culture and put hip hop in the same sentence? Because I know my history thats why. you see that record? Thats was a HUGE latin house record, on strictly rhythm. strictly rhythm is probably one of the greatest house labels of all time. if you listen to it, its rappin over a house beat. a real classic. that record reminds me of my childhood.true story! Have you ever seen this history of rock and roll? If not, you should, you might learn a thing or to about the culture, where it came from, and where it has gone. hip hop and dance, although very segregated today, were one in the same back in the day... the four main elements of hip hop are far from over. Hip hop as grown into a global culture, spread from the poverty streets of the bronx, to all the continents in the entire world.... and has helped bridge the great divide between the different culture and racism that america has. It has teared down the racist wall barrier in america. it seems like you grew up in a racially segregated neighborhood. and back in the day it was like this, but now , thanks to the hip hop movement, things have changed.

great insight. Thing is, it depends. the era we are in right now is a "bump and grind" era. booty shaking music, if you will. Like when my friends stepped into life in queens and they were playing dance music, i was feeling it, but they hated it. I asked them why, and they said " how the hell can you dance to this?' and "how can I roll up on a girl with this music" so maybe its just we are being forced fed hip hop and reagatoon that its all people know how to dance. Or maybe its easier to dance and get your grove on with a girl to hip hop and stuff. Its crazy though how in the genre of "dance music" people are saying that people arent dancing... makes you wonder why so many people claim dance music is DEAD. "_(

excited, no... I just enjoy a good discussion..... other people get crazy though.... some people on forums have been there for like 2 months, and already have like 5,000 posts, lol...talk about getting excited.. yeah, this is what I mean. Its the principle. I guess you have to love the music and the culture to really understand. if you just want a space with music, then yeah, a club is just a club, and a Dj is just a Dj, and the music is just music. But if you love the culture behind it, then you understand. it goes so far as the hip hop genre also. There was a huge beef between people at hot 97 because of payola scandals and such where you hardly hear anymore raw artist on NY radio, alot is down south music... even Ny rappers hardly get any love on the radio. again, you have to love the culture to understand, and thats what I am coming from no one is braggin about writting on walls with spray paint, but its part of the culture and essence of hip hop and NY history.

to be honest, I like trance back in the late 90's... songs like dream universe, greece 2000, Bilamos, Cream,Twilo Thunder.... the trance these days has changed, and I dont like it. It like all fluff, or just filler tracks... still some good trance tracks, and I still put a couple in when I make a cd, but overall, more junk then good. My favotire dance track of ALL TIME is I never knew love like this by matt darey. So its not that I am a trance hater, its just that these days trance is not really as exciting as it was. a song like I never knew love like this , now thats incredible... but the trance vocals these days are way, way to fluffy...

Blondie, LMAO. damn... someone doesnt know there NY heritage.... or the history in NY Hip hop is a cultural movement that began among urban Jamaicans, African Americans and Puerto Ricans in the Bronx borough of New York City during the early 1970s, and has since spread around the world. The four main aspects, or "elements", of hip hop culture are MCing (rapping), DJing, graffiti, and breakdancing. Some consider beatboxing the fifth element of hip hop; others might add political activism, hip hop fashion, hip hop slang, double dutching (an urban form of rope skipping) or other elements as important facets of hip hop. The term has since come to be a synonym for hip hop music (or rap music) to mainstream audiences. like I said, NY stand the fuck up.

who's that sexy mami?

yeah, its a great article. Probably the best one out explaining the state of dance music today.its a great read. I started another disgussion on pro world famous DJ's who are using software that automatically mixes there CD compllations, leaves even a more sour taste in your mouth these days. Maybe you should do an article on that laptop dj vs. http://bbs.clubplanet.com/showthread.php?t=290553 people say thats kill dance music too