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with the internet these days, how hard is it... really...... to "promote" people are going to go out on the weekends regardless if a promoter hands out flyers, or what ever. for example, no one ever "promoted" sound factory... people knew where the club was, they heard about it, it was open every saturday, and people went. Same with twilo and every other club. Maybe you can "spread the word" of a new Dj coming into town. to me, a promoters job is grossly over rated. back when I was in college, and they had college parties, then yeah, I see you get people to go to these parties, but now, when your 25-30 years old and such, where do you go to "promote" ...lets get serious now... people are not in school anymore, you cant just hand out flyers and stuff.. I dont know, maybe there is alot more to promoting but people are going to go out on the weekends anyway. I find out all of my clubbing information through the internet, so maybe I am different?

happens all the time in the music industry most famous example, 50 cents first album power of the dollar flopped and Columbia records dropped him.... then a eminem and dre worked with 50 and all of a sudden a flop tuned platinum. how did they do this, all by promoting him as the next tupac

why not up the song somewhere for a stream so people can hear it? oh let me guess, you want to feel elite because you are one of the very few who have it

dp

I dont agree. Back in the late 1990's when the euro Dj's were alot bigger then they are now, we had bangin parties in NY. I think what you say is, there are no real good NY parties, so everybody has to deal with euro. But political reasons might be the cause of this.

I went to this club in queens, called life, when DJ carmelo was Djing, and it was off the hook! You gotta check what Dj's are gonna be playing there.

I went to hear junior that night at roxy, he was incredible. amazing that at about 60 years old, he's still got more in him then dj's half his age!

I hear what your saying, and this is my whole take on it. if there is so much talent out there, why is no music coming out of NY any more like it was 10 years ago? where are the next DJ/Producers like junior vasquez, Jonny viscious, Jonathan Peters, ect,ect? These guys made there own music and played it at their clubs, and thats what made them all the more interesting. Its not like that anymore. NY use to be known for its sound, its original artist, DJ/Producers, but I dont see anyone really making moves... sure I hear alot of DJ names and party names being thrown around, and most of the times its the promoters doing it.... but I dont see any word of mouth, like "yo, did you hear DJ so and so's new track he played at the club?" or "DJ's so and so mix of so and so is fire" this is how it was back 10 years ago, and its lacking now. Its like the next generation doesn't really want to put time in, or do anything, just make a quick buck and be out. what is obvious out of your 2 scenario's is simple, the promoters that you talked to have NO IDEA of the actual music industry, or have any idea of actual talent. They hear a DJ name, and say "hey he could make me some money" but never heard one track they produced, never heard them live, just want to bring them in to bring in numbers. there is a rule, its called rule #4080 record company people are shady as someone who works in the industry, I will tell you how many talented people send demo's to the record companies, and they all go in the trash. because just like promoters, the label exec's have no idea about talent, and only care about sound scan. In the end, what we have is the same songs being played on the radio, or the same DJ's over and over again. everything is stale these days, back the the 80's radio was better.

i heard one of AVB new tracks, and I was really impressed. I dont like fluffy trance, I like hard and deep, like the track he made. how does AVB play?

yeah good advice.... the party will be over by then.

sad, but this is the "new sound" these world class Dj's to me, are NOT world class. They are over rated and over paid. The "old digweed" really hasnt changed... he is still the same digweed, he was just playing what was "in style" at that time. now, electro is the new thing, so everybody is on it. It sucks, its horrible, and I do not know how people can dance to it... yet they will still vote these DJ's the best in the world... and pack a round just on their name alone.

the scene thats out now, wont be there in the future. So you either get busy living or get busy dying... best thing is, if you can both go out and enjoy it together.

both mixes are horrible. I hate electro, this seems to be the new sound these so called "world class DJ's" are playing now..... its disgusting.

yeah he has like 3 macintosh g4's, running all types of software... yet I like the old JP better, with 3 turn tables and 2 cd players... sometimes less is more.

FINALLY, a party in NY worth going to.... 1$ drinks, junior spinning, this is the one I have been looking forward to... what is the theme of this white party?

I went there in 1998 to see debra cox perform to a laser light show on NYE. I think Razor was playing. I liked it alot. this was a long time ago, things change.

beyond bass the record shop name?

I think your wrong. for one, none of the old crowd that use to go listen to JP arent even around... I would say a good 80-90% of the people who listen to JP now and go to his shows, are real young, deff not 30 year olds. I am 26 and when I walked by the limelight on halloween I looked at the crowd is was very young, as compared to the Old School Factory heads where it was much older back in the SF days.. and its also wrong to generalize a DJ's fans. If your going to say JP fans are degenerates, because thats pretty much were you went, then what are you going to say about the crowd that follows Junior Vasquez? Pound for Pound, to be very honest with you, JP and Vicious production wise I think are neck and neck.... both have their classics, but I dont remember Vicious ever holding a residency for that long, so I am trying to figure out when Vicious prime was??? DJ wise, I can't speak, because I never heard Johnny Vicious live.

how much money u think he mad last night? at $60 a person... $60 x 3000 people (give or take) = $180,000 even if he takes half, thats ALOT of cash to make one 1 night....

working on the track for 4 years! Thats insane

JP is not known much outside of the tri-state area. That doesnt mean he sucks or vicious is better, its just the way the industry works

the best Dj spinning on NYE is Junior Vasquez. you want to hear more then one style of music for the night... go listen to junior vasquez. you want to hear mixing skills like no other DJ... go hear junior vasuqez. you want to hear remixes made just for that night, that you will never hear again.... go hear junior vasquez. no other DJ, IMHO can top him.

well I think its that people moved on. for example, I see alot of people bashing the JP crowd... things like "gonna rip it sick",ect,ect... I bet you these people where the ones "rippin it sick" back in the days, but after the XTC wore off, they were like, huh, what the? its more like the younger crowd now that likes that hard stuff... alot of hard core people I use to know cant stand dance music anymore, but they were the ones staying in the club closing the place out, dancing going crazy with their glow sticks, in circles, bringing extra cloths to change... So they grow up, cant do the whole hard house anymore, make fun of the younger kids, and listen to more of a filter disco sound, because that sound draws an older crowd, a more drinking crowd, where as the younger crowd draws more people on drugs. Also, a DJ's job is to educate the crowd, expose them to new styles, and genre's... thats why when I go out, probably the only DJ I would want to hear, out off all the Dj in the world, is Junior Vasquez, because he plays everything from disco, to tribal, to tech, to soulful vocals in a set... not many, if any DJ's are as versatile as junior if there is one thing that drives me crazy, hearing a DJ play one genre ALL night... be it hip hop, tribal, trance, techno... its gotta switch

I am not complaining... its just a strange genre, from a producers standpoint.. I guess you gotta just put tracks out there, and somehow? get your name known? but talk about a hard market to crack, lol... from a DJ stand point I can understand why Dj would want to hide tracks, but at the same time, as a producer, if I made a track, and I wasnt known, and it was fire, I would want the Dj(s) to not hide it, but if someone asks them who made it or the name ,ect,ect... to tell them who made it. I dont know, sometimes I wonder, when I use to go hard core record shopping, at half the stuff the put out on vinyl... seriously, any DJ can back me up on this... you listen to a record and are like, WTF!!! they spent money to press this on viny? Who or what made this and why.... I know the thought has to have run through some DJ's heads...

acap and bmi are NOT the same thing. for one you can not be members of both, you need to be with one or the other.. BMI is a much better artist friendly organization. They pay out at a greater percentage than ASCAP. BMI is a not-for-profit organization. ASCAP is a for-profit company that will take out more from royalty checks. BMI founders were once members of ASCAP. ASCAP had its bad days where it would not support black musicians. BMI has more black musicians because of ASCAPs racist history, things have changed, but history doesn't... ASCAP has had to fight charges of violating anti-trust regulations for well over 60 years now. BMI was founded when ASCAP lost an antitrust suit which prevented ASCAP from being the sole clearing-house of performance licenses. The broadcast industry, the folks who had to pay the creators of music the royalties ASCAP collects, then founded their own society to negotiate the rates with themselves, and BMI was born.