I recognise the fact, that while Guinness is a stout, it is generally accepted as a part of the generic term "beer". perhaps I should have used "ale" instead. I certainly didn't mean your nancy pretend-lager liquid that calls itself beer here. whatever, this is irrelevant as I expect you are incapable of drinking 17 pints of anything. wuss. when am I going to see you again, noisey??? I enjoy the abuse SO much more in person....