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Oh really, have you checked out their coverage of the north of Ireland? They operated on state-imposed censorship when it came to that. Whenever Sinn Fein members (a political party opposed to the British presence in the north of Ireland) appeared on BBC tv, their voices were dubbed over, to circumvent the laws. The BBC is a state owned media, therefore by its very nature, is not going to be balanced.

Just keep an eye on CNN.

He who pays the piper, calls the tune.

He who owns the media, controls the media.

Do you have any idea what the physical test to get on the FDNY is like? You have to be in TOP physical condition to be a fireman. People have actually dropped dead during the FDNY test. You have to be able to carry a person out of a fire over your shoulder. Why the hell do you think theres so few women on the FDNY. You have to be a STRONG, BIG motherfucker to do that job.

YES! How else did you think they were going to put out the fire? Blow on it? JEEZ! Haven't you ever noticed what big strong men firemen are?

For your info, this is the same Prince that Guiliani rejected the $10,000,000 check from.

Saudi Prince Buys AOL and Priceline Mon Mar 11, 8:37 AM ET DUBAI (Reuters) - Saudi billionaire Prince Alwaleed has bought more than $1 billion worth of shares in Citigroup, AOL Time Warner and Priceline.com over the past six months, his company said on Monday. The prince, among the world's wealthiest men, bought $500 million in Citigroup, $450 million in AOL Time Warner and $100 million in Priceline.com. With around $10 billion in Citigroup, Alwaleed was already the biggest shareholder in the bank. "At about $43, Citi's share price was at too attractive a price," the prince said in a statement issued by his company Kingdom Holdings. The statement said the prince also found AOL Time Warner price attractive at $23 a share. "I believe in the power of the AOL brand and I am already a shareholder in this global media giant. Therefore when the price reached a lucrative level, we decided to increase our stake," the prince said, without giving exact figures on his AOL holdings. He also described Priceline.com as one of the few Internet companies that "survived the turbulence witnessed by the Internet arena." His holdings in Internet commerce company Priceline.com currently stand at 5.4 percent, he added. Alwaleed, a nephew of Saudi Arabia's King Fahd, has a personal fortune estimated at $20 billion, the bulk of which is invested in the United States. But I thought it was the Jews that controlled the media.

1. The FDNY were carrying hoses up with them to connect to the standpipes to put out the fire. 2., No, the building was said to be able to withstand a 747 flying into it. 3. The Port Authority announcement told people to stay put in the buildings, that everything was ok., if the firemen didn't go up more people would have died. The firemen calmed people down and had them descend in single file so they wouldn't panic and run over each other. The firemen inside the buildings didn't know what was going on outside as their radios weren't working as there was so much traffic on the radios that they were getting feedback. The firemen ignored the mayday orders to get out in order to keep saving people. The firemen worked with what they had, they were smart in being innovative in their work, especially the rescue companies.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Trojan Horse -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: March 7, 2002 1:00 a.m. Eastern By Joseph Farah Why can't more people see it? Why doesn't the whole world get it? I'm talking about Yasser Arafat's "Trojan Horse" approach to the destruction of the state of Israel. Maybe too many people are not reading any more. Perhaps they have just forgotten, or are unfamiliar with, Homer's "The Illiad" and the tale of how Troy was overtaken by stealth. Troy was a walled and well-defended city. The Greeks attacked Troy for nine years, but could not overcome its defenses. Ulysses hatched a plan to construct a huge giant horse that could conceal 100 men. After sealing themselves in, the rest of the Greeks sailed away. In the morning, the Trojans celebrated their victory. Despite warnings from a priest to beware of Greeks bearing gifts, the people of the city wanted to claim the horse as their victory prize. They even tore down some of their walls to get the horse – and the unseen enemy – inside the gates. When Ulysses and his men disembarked from the Trojan Horse, they burned the city, killed the king and robbed Troy of all its wealth. For more than 30 years, Arafat has been following the same ploy in his conduct toward Israel. When he talks of peaceful coexistence between his Palestinian state and the Jewish state, he is building a Trojan Horse. And just like the people of Troy, many Israelis and much of the rest of the world want to believe peace is at hand. Historical precedent means nothing. Terrorist act followed by terrorist act means nothing. Warnings from the priests and prophets mean nothing. Even when Arafat explains his Trojan Horse strategy – in English, no less – many people don't hear it. This Trojan Horse ploy by Arafat is the subject of a dramatic and compelling new documentary by some French filmmakers – one that uses the actual words of Arafat and his henchmen to make the undeniable case that the establishment of a Palestinian state is only the first act of a two-act play. Arafat is the proverbial Greek bearing gifts. This time, however, it won't be 100 men disembarking from a big horse. It will be 30,000 armed Palestinian "policemen" inside the walls of the city – a city, by the way, already surrounded by a billion hostile neighbors. "The Trojan Horse" documentary is one of a pair produced in France – with more on the way. A companion video, "Israel and the War of Images" is equally compelling and emotionally gripping – showing for once the real human cost of the ongoing terror war that has consumed the Jewish state ever since the Egyptian Arafat emerged as the self-proclaimed leader-for-life of "Palestine." Together they show that nothing has changed since Arafat laid out the Trojan Horse strategy in English in a speech in South Africa in 1994. "I don't consider the [Oslo] agreement any more than the agreement which was signed by our prophet Mohammed and the Qurayish," he said. What is Arafat talking about? It's the model of Hudayblya. Before Anwar Sadat signed the Camp David accords, he first sought the counsel of an Islamic leader in Cairo. He wanted to know if there was any precedent to make peace with the infidel. He was told about the peace pact Mohammed made at the small oasis of Hudayblya – between Mecca and Medina. In the early years of Islam, Mohammed found himself fighting a losing battle. So he signed a 10-year peace agreement with the Qurayish tribe in Mecca. Two years later, when his forces were stronger and the Meccans were living securely off their guard, Mohammed marched into the city and captured it. In Arabic, there is a concept known as Takiya – it is the right within Islam to fake peace when you are weak, so that you can wait for better timing to conquer your enemy. There's a famous Arab saying: "When your enemy is strong, kiss his hand and pray that it will be broken one day." And that's the game Arafat is playing today. If you have any doubts, you can see it and hear it for yourselves with your own ears from the mouths of Arafat and his top officials and spokesmen. Over and over again, in these two compelling videos, available only through the WorldNetDaily online store – ShopNetDaily – Palestinian leaders explain that their ultimate goals remain a Palestine from "the sea to the river" – meaning from the Jordan to the Mediterranean. Can facts change people's perceptions? Is it too late to reverse course? Is the enemy already inside the gates? Will the people of Israel make the same mistake the ancient Meccans and the people of Troy made? Remember Hudayblya.

You want to see a disturbing picture? Here's a fucking disturbing picture. Some people on this board care more about trouble making terrorists than they do for their own people.

*yawn* more anti-Israeli pro-Arab propaganda. Sassa is very emotional Not able to think rationally at all therefore Sassa is very influenced by pictures of this nature. Sassa is the very type of gullible person that these types of pictures are aimed at, since Sassa's thinking is totally clouded by emotion. Sassa is not able to think about the subject in an intellectual manner. That is why Sassa hasn't been heard from in a while on the Muslim thread.

Well, they don't bother to read anything but the Palestinian stuff. And for some reason, they think that the mainstream media is pro-Israeli, but it definitely is not. Almost all the mainstream media is slanted toward the Palestinians. See, they think they are balancing out what they see as pro-Israeli bias, by reading people like Said, but really everything they are reading is biased against Israel.

SHARM EL SHEIK, Egypt — Saudi Arabia's foreign minister, expanding on his country's Mideast peace plan, said Sunday that to get "complete peace from the Arabs" Israel should allow an independent Palestine with Jerusalem as its capital in addition to withdrawing from Arab lands.

http://abbc.com/islam/english/toread/jewhist.htm http://http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=3183701 More links. Palestinian Islamists protest Saudi peace plan AFP [ FRIDAY, MARCH 08, 2002 8:06:49 PM ] IN EL-HELWEH, Lebanon: Some 1,000 Islamic fundamentalists in a Palestinian refugee camp of south Lebanon held a protest on Friday to call for more attacks on Israel and to denounce a Saudi land-for-peace offer. Supporters of the Palestinian militant movements Hamas and Islamic Jihad, as well as the small Lebanon-based fundamentalist group Osbat al-Ansar, rallied through Ein el-Helweh camp after the Muslim weekly prayers. "Jerusalem, we are coming," chanted the demonstrators, most of whom wore green headbands, for the colour of Islam, and carried a copy of the Koran, the Muslim holy book, in their hand. Local leaders of the three groups, which are all branded as "terrorist" organisations by the United States, led the procession flanked by dozens of armed men. "Treacherous Arab leaders have sold out religion for a fistful of dollars to please Bush," they cried, referring to US President George W. Bush. "The Saudi initiative recognises the Jewish state, gives (Israeli Prime Minister Ariel) Sharon a way out and only confirms that Arab leaders have sold out the land of the Prophet," charged a joint statement read out at the rally. "The only response to such initiatives is to keep up military attacks and suicide operations" against Israel, it said, urging the Palestinian leadership not to give in to US pressure and "plans of surrender". Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz has proposed a total normalisation of Arab ties with Israel in return for the Jewish state's withdrawal from all Arab territories seized in the 1967 Middle East war.

THE PALESTINIANS IN THEIR OWN WORDS (Palestinian Quote Sheet #50) 16 October 2000 On 13 October 2000, the official Palestinian Authority television station broadcast live a Friday sermon in the Zayed bin Sultan Aal Nahyan mosque in Gaza. Below are excerpts from the sermon, as transcribed by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), . The speaker is Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, Member of the Palestinian Authority-appointed "Fatwa Council" and former acting Rector of the Islamic University in Gaza. On killing Jews and Americans: "O brother believers, the criminals, the terrorists - are the Jews, who have butchered our children, orphaned them, widowed our women and desecrated our holy places and sacred sites. They are the terrorists. They are the ones who must be butchered and killed, as Allah the Almighty said: 'Fight them: Allah will torture them at your hands, and will humiliate them and will help you to overcome them, and will relieve the minds of the believers..." "Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them - and those who stand by them - they are all in one trench, against the Arabs and the Muslims because they established Israel here, in the beating heart of the Arab world, in Palestine. They created it to be the outpost of their civilization and the vanguard of their army, and to be the sword of the West and the crusaders, hanging over the necks of the monotheists, the Muslims in these lands. They wanted the Jews to be their spearhead..." On making peace with Israel: "Even if an agreement of Gaza is signed - we shall not forget Haifa, and Acre, and the Galilee, and Jaffa, and the Triangle and the Negev, and the rest of our cities and villages. It is only a matter of time. The weak will not remain forever weak, and the strong will not remain forever strong... If we are weak today... and we are not able to regain our rights, then at least we have to pass on the banner - waving high - to our children and grandchildren..." "...We will not give up a single grain of soil of Palestine, from Haifa, and Jaffa, and Acre, and Mulabbas [Petah Tikva] and Salamah, and Majdal [Ashkelon], and all the land, and Gaza, and the West Bank..." "...Let us put our trust in Allah, close ranks, and unite our words, and the slogan of us all should be, 'Jihad! Jihad! For the sake of Palestine, and for the sake of Jerusalem and Al-Aqsa!'" An excerpt from the link.

This link has interesting writings from the Israeli perspective. http://netanyahu.org/abpal.html

The accusations of racism are really used by the left to silence people and censor them. They think people will be cowed into shutting up due to shame and embarrassment of being called a racist, which is unfortunately true a lot of the time. Its just another form of bullying. It really truly is an attempt to stop ideas they don't like from being deceminated.

". Wtf is your point in saying "palestinians are a threat to israeli security" as a blanket statement anyway? That is flat out racism, talk about not contributing anything. How is that different from shouting the n-word, or any other racial epithet? " I wonder if Breaksny would say that this is a true statement: The Palestinians are not in any way a threat to Israeli security. Or this one: Syria is not a threat to Israeli security.

[i obviously know less than about Israeli side, but the arguments u present are only those of the right wing. Why do you continue to label ideas that you disagree with right wing? Why does everything have to have a slant with you. Why can't there just be correct ideas and incorrect ideas? God, if you said to me 1+1=3 and I said No its not its 2, you'd say i was being right wing.

Lets say Jordan takes over the West Bank, and they throw all the Jews out, isn't that racist?

The fact that there are millions of foreigners that own property in America, does that mean that America is being illegally occupied by foreign governments?

. The Israeli invasion of land it has no legal or other legitimate claim to is not. --------------- Why do they have no legitimate claim to it? If they don't then who does, and under what grounds? Also, even if they didn't have any legit claim to it, why do you think its illegal for Jews to build settlements on it? Land ownership does not constitute occupation. If I buy a house in France, that does not mean that America is occupying France.

It is possible to feel sorry for someone, and still think they are in the wrong.

I'll tell you how I'd feel. I'd be pretty pissed off at the PA leadership and the surrounding Arab nations, for using me as fodder for their petty squabbles. I'd be pissed off that none of my Muslim brethren were helping me, or taking me in. I'd be pissed off that my people kept attacking Israeli citizens, not soldiers mind you, but civilians, and making things worse for my people. I would hope that my leadership, the PA, would wise up and call a cease-fire, and bring the Israelis back to the negotiating table. I would hope that my people would get over this right of return business, since it can never happen, and pursue other avenues, such as resettlement in the surrounding nations. There can't be right of return. Its too late. Too much damage has been done. It can't be. Forget it. Think of something else. Finally, I would wish the PA would recognize Israel, and move on to trying to do something about the sorry state of ALL the Muslim people. I would hope that my people would just let Israel be, and hope that the rest of the Arab nations would try to emulate it, instead of despising it and being jealous of it.