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Give me some factual evidence, instead of just making statements.

It has nothing to do with the nazis. Jews were subjugated to Muslims, as were Christians. If you're going to put your 2 cents in, please make it something intelligent.

The problem with these left wing people is that the facts are not on their side, therefore they can only argue with their emotions, and by taking the supposed moral high ground. I'm better than you, because I feel for people. They don't think , they feel . As far as Hitler being a Christian, so what? He was a Socialist. Hence the national socialist party So I guess he would have more in common with Breaksny.

I want to know: can Breaksny point out anything incorrect in the excerpt that I posted.

Like I said before, when all else fails bring out the race card. And why does my logical fact-based view on Israel lead people to believe that I must be Jewish? Only a racist bigot would presume to know a persons race or nationality based on their opinions.

Breaksny you have zero knowledge of history. Why not actually read something that goes beyond the Oslo accords and 1967? Your rantings are very vague and not backed up by facts. What "compromise" are you referring to by the Palestinians? How can you say that the Jews never had problems with the Muslims? The Jews were only tolerated by them, had to pay special taxes, and had to subjugate themselves to the Muslims. When it became apparent that the Jews might get their own state, the Muslims couldn't accept it, as the excerpt below shows. ____________________________________________________ In 1917 (The British were in control of the at this time.) the British passed a law known as the Balfour Declaration that approved of an independent Jewish state in the area known as Palestine. The Jewish presence increased over the years and this brought modern civilization to the area. Arabs began flocking to the district to take advantage of employment opportunities and a higher standard of life that the modern settlements facilitated. Soon tempers flared and the Arabs began getting nervous that they were going to be outnumbered by Jews in this tiny portion of the predominately Arab world. The local Arabs wanted an independent state here too. The Arabs began marching, rioting and attacking Jewish settlements demanding that the Jews leave and stop immigrating to the region. "Fearful that increased Jewish immigration to Palestine would damage Arab standing in the area, the mufti engineered the bloody riots against Jewish settlement in 1929 and 1936." (http://www.wzo.org.il/home/portrait/mufti.htm) During World War II the chief Muslim religious leader (Mufti) in Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini pledged his allegiance and support to Hitler. His nephew is better known today. His name is Yasser Arafat. World War II resulted in an increased desire for Jews to immigrate to Palestine. The British, not able to settle the disputes between Jews and Arabs released jurisdiction of the embroiled fledgling nations to the UN. The United Nations recognized that both Jews and Arabs had a legitimate claim to a homeland and partitioned the area. The Jews accepted the partition plan of the UN. and the Arabs did not. The Arabs threatened to destroy Israel on the day she announced her birth. In 1948 Israel became an independent nation. No less than 5 Arab armies attacked Israel. These armies were comprised of or supported by the following nations: Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Yemen, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia ( War information taken from, "Israel: The fig tree blossoms Metatron Communications © 2000). To the world's surprise Israel not only survived the attack but became victorious. Due to this war however, many of the local Arabs were displaced from their homes. Though they were told to evacuate Israel by their mother lands, Those same nations then refused to house them after they lost their homes in the war they initiated. These displaced people were placed in camps and kept there as political pawns by the enemies of Israel. Their descendants are known today as the Palestinians. Arabs continued to attack Israel on and off over the years. A massive attack was formed in 1967. By May 17th, the troops of seven Arab nations gathered around Israel. Not long after a naval blockade by Egypt in the Gulf of Aquaba the Israeli's pre-emptively attacked. This war only lasted 6 days because Israel caught her enemies jet fighters while they were still on the ground. She annihilated the air forces of Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Iraq. During this war Israel took what is known today as the Golan Heights, The West Bank, the Gaza Strip and Jerusalem. Israel said she would keep Jerusalem but would return the West Bank and the Gaza Strip as soon as the Palestinians were serious about peace. Israel has fought war on and off within her boarders and without ever since. The Palestinians are still the pawns of Israel's enemies and are still enemies themselves within her midst. Today the violence in Israel is nothing new. The Arabs still want what they wanted in 1948 and 1967. They want control of Israel and they won't stop fighting until they get it.

This long winded diatribe is completely incoherent. And you STILL didn't answer my question. Oh and why is it ok to have Islamic countries with Islamic law, but its not ok to have a Jewish country, with Jewish law. How many non- muslims are allowed into Mecca? Why do these PA Arabs want to live in Israel with a bunch of Jews who they hate anyway? Answer that.

This long winded diatribe is completely incoherent. And you STILL didn't answer my question. Oh and why is it ok to have Islamic countries with Islamic law, but its not ok to have a Jewish country, with Jewish law. How many non- muslims are allowed into Mecca? Why do these PA Arabs want to live in Israel with a bunch of Jews who they hate anyway? Answer that.

"Until 100 odd years ago, there wasn't this conflict between Jews and Moslem for the most part. Blame the Christians for your problems, I dunno. To this day, they're inflicted far more suffering on Jews from an historical standpoint than Moslems ever have. " That is an absolute lie.

"I can talk to moderates on these issues like crobra, sassa, bigpop, and nycmuzik among others. " Moderates? You must be joking. Seriously, you are the one you can't discuss this in a civilized manner. You can't argue with facts so you start tossing insults around. The only reason you can talk to these other people is because they agree with you, and you obviously are used to only talking to people who agree with you. (which is why your argument skills are so lacking)

So, what you are saying is the Arabs DON'T think Israel has any right to exist, not then and not now.

If they care so much, why don't they take in the refugees?

NO you didn't. The question was: Why did the Arabs not accept separate Palestinian and Jewish states in 1947, like the UN wanted?

Here we go again, playing the race card, that old chestnut Yes, when you can't address the issue, just call your opponent a bigot.

Why don't you JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!

The Palestinian people aren't the cause of all Israel's security problems. Why am I still talking to you anyway? Right, they aren't. The rest of the Arab world comprises the other causes.

Actually, we are getting somewhere, we are exposing Breaksny for the uninformed blowhard that he is.

Answer the question! Why didn't they accept a separate Palestininian and Jewish state in 1947? JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!

"the reason i completely and unilaterally support Israel is that the conflict was started by the racism of the Arab world when Israel immigrants began arriving in Israel well before it became its own state. Jews didnt come there with an intent to conquer, only to survive when much of Europe wasnt very hospitable to them. under the British occupation, when much of the Jewish population migrated to the land, the British had to constantly intervene to stop rioting Arabs. Self-Defense Jewish organizations were formed to protect the Jewish farmers from bands of murderous Arabs. when Israel finally achieved the ability to defend itself, its all of a sudden portrayed as the aggressor. look at the roots of the conflict. when Germany lost WWII nobody cried about them getting split up, or about the country being compeletely in ruins after bombardment. they earned it. well, i dont think people should cry too much for a people who tried to destroy Israel, failed, and now are paying the price. had the Palestinians, and the rest of the Arab world, been more accepting of the Jews earlier on, i dont think any of this would have happened. the militarism of Israel is ONLY A RESULT of the inherent militarism of the peoples around it." Absolutely, 100% correct. Most of the people here don't know anything about the origins of the conflict. They think it was created in a vacuum. They don't seem to understand anything prior to the six day war and the Oslo Accords. Not to mention that they believe every single piece of Arab propaganda.

Give them Guns !! and trust me they will fight!!" They have guns you moron. Its just not as dramatic as blowing yourself up.

why cant things be different? Oh boo hoo! Why can't we all just get along?

I would also like to know, what business was the State of Israel to Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Jordan? They are not Palestinians.

Thank you for your intelligent input. The question was meant for BreaksNY, but as usual he evaded the question.

Well then maybe you can tell everyone why, in 1947, when the UN wanted an israeli state and a palestinian state, with Jerusalem being an international city, did the Arabs reject the plan? Please explain.

Breaks NY: Do you or do you not believe Israel has a right to exist?