No offense taken. We can all agree to disagree. A lot of the stuff you say are often true as risolated instances but false for generalizations and thats what I respond to, the generalizations being made. Some of the worse run doors in the nation are in LA and some of the best run doors are in LA. Los Angeles is dominated and has perfected the artform of the vip-guestilst only system. There is an artform to how it is done. Even as recently, I was part of the grand opening of a new venue in LA. They brought on two security guards all of 21 years old that had no experience with any venue and it was fiasco having us teach them, on the spot, how to do a door. True and not true. Vibe - true. There is not enough attention to the vibe in LA. lalate has written extensively on this in articles in 2004 about the lack of attention to vibe by venues. Longevity - not true. If you look at LA's top 10 venues, and compare that to the year they opened, you can see longevity. In regards to venues located in Hollywood, I would agree. Again in 2004 lalate wrote extensively on the subject it calls the trend of the "lookatme lookatme crowd" and how it has ruined the vibe of Hollywood clubs. I do believe that other areas of So Cal, and other non-Hollywood scenes, have the same vibe, if not stronger, that they have always maintained. Problematic statement. Because the "undeground scene" is not Hollywood. Hollywood has very few "underground" locations/parties. Undergrounds. The underground scene in LA is as vibrant as ever. In 2003-2004, lalate's year end listing of la's top parties put several underground events as its parties in LA that year. The underground scene still presents one of the best vibes, music originality, friendliness, and multiplatform offerings you have in LA. The only negative part of the underground scene that pulled from 2004-2005 has been the move of certain underground organizers to mainstream venues, commercializing, which you cant hate them for doing because people have to make a living. Very correct for Hollywood. lalate's article in 2004. Thats why its important to find a network of friends that can help you find those spots/nights that move from this horrible norm - because they do exist. LOL. Maybe they should stay behind the gate because Vanguard didnt open last Saturday --- it opened many many months ago! lol. Ranting. OK...I'm done. Yes and no. It's not. It's a great venue. But its not the top. This weekend, Im hanging out with my buddy's brother. My buddy is from the midwest and his brother has moved here. The brother said to me last night - best weather in the nation, beautiful place to live, but the what the hell is with the people. As Ive always said, hang around nice people, you'll have a ball, let the bad apples get to you, you wont.